jamesr Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000560221/article/mario-williams-sounds-off-on-bills-defensive-scheme The natives are getting restless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Saw that this morning. I said that defense would not be as good under Rex. Honestly I didn't think it would be this much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It can't help that they've already played the Bengals and the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Still can't believe Idzik ruined his career :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It can't help that they've already played the Bengals and the Patriots. which is really unfair when you think about it I mean come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm really starting to wonder about Rex as a HC. He may not have what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 when a winner like Mario Williams(who isn't good enough to play RDE) questions you then you know you are in trouble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 in rex's defense, I remember when the jets beat manning and brady on the road in the playoffs, he played a lot of mush rush and dropped a ton of guys into coverage for the most part, his blitz % was way down. the bengals are for real and legit, and very balanced on offense. maybe he saw something crazy like they were beating the blitz or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It can't help that they've already played the Bengals and the Patriots. plus they get screwed by the refs in every game and their snakebit by injuries, as always the deck is stacked against Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 And airing your grievances is public, i.e. the Sammy Watkins model seems to be the way to get results. Not a recipe for long term success. By the way is anyone around here still arguing that the whole bravado and talking things up is the way to go? There were a boatload of people who were arguing that for the longest time when Rex was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 "The wheels on the bus come off, off, off off, off off off, off, off The wheels on the bus come off, off, off For Rex and Bu-fa-lo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm really starting to wonder about Rex as a HC. He may not have what it takes. I am really starting to wonder why you are just "starting to wonder about Rex". We saw his act wear thin here. This shouldn't be a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 in rex's defense, I remember when the jets beat manning and brady on the road in the playoffs, he played a lot of mush rush and dropped a ton of guys into coverage for the most part, his blitz % was way down. the bengals are for real and legit, and very balanced on offense. maybe he saw something crazy like they were beating the blitz or something Yeah, and after that, Beli and Brady adapted their offense into what it is now... which neutralizes the pass rush, keeps Brady upright, and they used it to eat Rex alive quite a bit after that playoff loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I am really starting to wonder why you are just "starting to wonder about Rex". We saw his act wear thin here. This shouldn't be a surprise. lol, it was sarcasm... this shouldn't be a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 And airing your grievances is public, i.e. the Sammy Watkins model seems to be the way to get results. Not a recipe for long term success. By the way is anyone around here still arguing that the whole bravado and talking things up is the way to go? There were a boatload of people who were arguing that for the longest time when Rex was here. 2 weeks. 2 players airing grievances. They're on their way... Rex has lost more locker rooms than he has motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 And airing your grievances is public, i.e. the Sammy Watkins model seems to be the way to get results. Not a recipe for long term success. By the way is anyone around here still arguing that the whole bravado and talking things up is the way to go? There were a boatload of people who were arguing that for the longest time when Rex was here. We were coming off of Mangini though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 We were coming off of Mangini though. Good point. It was... wait for it.... "a process" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 And airing your grievances is public, i.e. the Sammy Watkins model seems to be the way to get results. Not a recipe for long term success. By the way is anyone around here still arguing that the whole bravado and talking things up is the way to go? There were a boatload of people who were arguing that for the longest time when Rex was here. I think there are many different ways to win, when Rex was talking we were usually winning. the act was toned down in recent years. Talking doesn't win or lose a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Happy to see this as Jets fan, but this is a Mario issue, not a Rex issue. Rex is a good defensive coach. Mario is a head case and doing the one thing you NEVER do as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Can't believe a locker room that exiled Fred Jackson to make room for Percy Harvin and Richie Incognito would turn sour like this. :(((( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Happy to see this as Jets fan, but this is a Mario issue, not a Rex issue. Rex is a good defensive coach. Mario is a head case and doing the one thing you NEVER do as a player. He happens to be a head coach. His defensive skill set (which I think is over rated) is not why he was hired. He has a DC for that. he sucks at 60 percent of what a HC should be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 in rex's defense, I remember when the jets beat manning and brady on the road in the playoffs, he played a lot of mush rush and dropped a ton of guys into coverage for the most part, his blitz % was way down. the bengals are for real and legit, and very balanced on offense. maybe he saw something crazy like they were beating the blitz or something If Rex and the personnel from the #4 defense in the league is going to let Eli Manning and Andy Dalton go up and down the field on them, then what good is Rex Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 He really should not have flapped his gums about the previous D regime in Buffalo. He all too often writes cheques with his mouth that his team can't cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's a bit early for this told ya so stick. They're 3-3 with two of those losses coming against what look to be clearly the two best teams in the AFC. I never really seen the hype with the Bills though, I don't think Ryan's under huge pressure to make the playoffs this season. We should be finishing ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Total Defense: Jets 1st, Bills 17th Pass Defense: Jets 2nd, Bills 22nd Run Defense: Jets 3rd, Bills 5th Turnovers created: Jets 15, Bills 10 Rushing offense: Jets 1st, Bills 7th Thanks Idzik! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's a bit early for this told ya so stick. They're 3-3 with two of those losses coming against what look to be clearly the two best teams in the AFC. I never really seen the hype with the Bills though, I don't think Ryan's under huge pressure to make the playoffs this season. We should be finishing ahead of them. He should be under pressure to make the playoffs, the Bills were 9-7 last year got Mccoy and are built to win now. No one and mean no one had the Jets ahead of the Bills pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Total Defense: Jets 1st, Bills 17th Pass Defense: Jets 2nd, Bills 22nd Run Defense: Jets 3rd, Bills 5th Turnovers created: Jets 15, Bills 10 Rushing offense: Jets 1st, Bills 7th Thanks Idzik! Can you say "defensive guru"? I knew that ya could. Great stats, Beerfish. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 They're 3-3 with two of those losses coming against what look to be clearly the two best teams in the AFC. They went 9-7 last year. How is what they're doing anything other than a step down from Marrone? It's become very clear that older, veteran coaches tend to have their way with Rex Ryan, and this year has been no exception. Tom Couglin, Bill Belichick and Marvin Lewis know exactly what to expect from Rex. Marvin's Bengals destroyed the Rex-led Jets 49-9 two years ago and then beat them up this week. Coughlin told his players in this year's Giants-Bills game to expect Rex's team to "beat themselves with penalties", and that's exactly what happened. And Belichick improved to 10-4 against Rex, with Buffalo setting a franchise record for pass yards allowed. If Rex cannot find a way to beat top teams every once in a while with an elite defensive unit, he's run out of excuses. But as always, they'll thump their chests over beating Jacksonville next weekend, before losing to Miami coming out of the bye. It's oh so predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The article in question regarding what Coughlin said about the Bills: http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/10/tom_coughlin_reportedly_told_giants_players_buffalo_bills_would_beat_themselves.html Tom Coughlin reportedly told Giants that Bills would beat themselves with penalties Orchard Park, N.Y. — Tom Coughlin had an idea of what to expect coming into Ralph Wilson Stadium to play the Buffalo Bills on Sunday. He had played against a Rex Ryan team before, and he saw what the New England Patriots did to the Bills two weeks earlier in a 40-32 win. That's why, according to Dan Graziano of ESPN, Coughlin told his players the Bills would beat themselves with penalties. Sure enough, the Bills committed 17 penalties for 135 yards on their way to a 24-10 loss Sunday. Tom Coughlin told his players before Sunday's game that the Bills would beat themselves with penalties. They committed 17 for 135 yards. — Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) October 4, 2015 The Giants had 11 penalties of their own, but the Bills' penalties proved more costly. Not only did Buffalo have two penalties that negated touchdowns, but it was also called for four 15-yard penalties. Defensive end Jerry Hughes was flagged for two personal fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 They went 9-7 last year. How is what they're doing anything other than a step down from Marrone? It's become very clear that older, veteran coaches tend to have their way with Rex Ryan, and this year has been no exception. Tom Couglin, Bill Belichick and Marvin Lewis know exactly what to expect from Rex. Marvin's Bengals destroyed the Rex-led Jets 49-9 two years ago and then beat them up this week. Coughlin told his players in this year's Giants-Bills game to expect Rex's team to "beat themselves with penalties", and that's exactly what happened. And Belichick improved to 10-4 against Rex, with Buffalo setting a franchise record for pass yards allowed. If Rex cannot find a way to beat top teams every once in a while with an elite defensive unit, he's run out of excuses. But as always, they'll thump their chests over beating Jacksonville next weekend, before losing to Miami coming out of the bye. It's oh so predictable. I don't think any team with Tyrod Taylor/EJ Manuel should be under too much pressure to make the playoffs, what I'm saying is I don't think he'll lose his job if he doesn't. It's far too early to rule them out anyways, especially in the AFC. They're 3-3 and the teams that have beaten them have a combined record of 14-2. I'm not saying Rex is doing a good job but it's too early to start writing his obituary. Our defensive stats might not look as pretty when we're done with the Bengals and Patriots. I do like Rex and I get that it's very unpopular not to bash him at every chance but there's a lot of football to be played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think any team with Tyrod Taylor/EJ Manuel should be under too much pressure to make the playoffs, what I'm saying is I don't think he'll lose his job if he doesn't. It's far too early to rule them out anyways, especially in the AFC. They're 3-3 and the teams that have beaten them have a combined record of 14-2. I'm not saying Rex is doing a good job but it's too early to start writing his obituary. Our defensive stats might not look as pretty when we're done with the Bengals and Patriots. I do like Rex and I get that it's very unpopular not to bash him at every chance but there's a lot of football to be played. Irish, do you realize how many excuses you just listed that Rex has a direct responsibility for? Rex brought in Tyrod Taylor. That was HIS GUY. Of course there's pressure to make the playoffs when you go 9-7 the year before then handpick your starting QB. Tyrod got hurt and he had EJ Manuel, essentially the incumbent starter, waiting as the backup. Not every Head Coach walks into that kind of situation. And if he isn't going to at least be COMPETITIVE against the Bengals and Patriots....what good is he? He talked a big game about the Bills defense being better this year than last year, and they've gone in the complete opposite direction. Not to mention they've been losing games thanks to penalties as well. Who is to blame for that? The QB again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 He should be under pressure to make the playoffs, the Bills were 9-7 last year got Mccoy and are built to win now. No one and mean no one had the Jets ahead of the Bills pre season. Last year the Bills had Marshalls favorite QB Kyle Orton.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Irish, do you realize how many excuses you just listed that Rex has a direct responsibility for? Rex brought in Tyrod Taylor. That was HIS GUY. Of course there's pressure to make the playoffs when you go 9-7 the year before then handpick your starting QB. Tyrod got hurt and he had EJ Manuel, essentially the incumbent starter, waiting as the backup. Not every Head Coach walks into that kind of situation. And if he isn't going to at least be COMPETITIVE against the Bengals and Patriots....what good is he? He talked a big game about the Bills defense being better this year than last year, and they've gone in the complete opposite direction. Not to mention they've been losing games thanks to penalties as well. Who is to blame for that? The QB again? which QBs were available? you act like he had his choice of 10different quality starters. they were competitive against NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 which QBs were available? you act like he had his choice of 10different quality starters. they were competitive against NE. I'll grant you this: The Bills trading up for Watkins the year before (in a stellar WR class, no less), thus forfeiting the ability to draft a QB in 2015, was not Rex's fault. And yes, the QB market was quite thin. But Irish Jet was trying to state that the team should not be considered a playoff contender with Taylor/Manuel at QB. Not true at all. They went 9-7 last year with a combination of EJ Manuel and a one-foot-in-retirement Kyle Orton. No one should be able to excuse Rex with the "He doesn't have a QB!" argument any more. And no, they weren't competitive with NE. The Patriots controlled that game throughout and the Bills made it look closer than it was by putting up points late in a game that was already basically over. Their # 4 ranked defense from 2014 gave up a franchise record for passing yards that day. That's not being "competitive". Especially when you do it in front of your home crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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