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Pretty irrelevant compared to the Enunwa Factor, but thanks for sharing. 

About as useful as your noting that we are 1-3 in games without Enunwa actually.  Which was my point.  As if correlation implies causation.  It does not.

But just in case you missed it... again... I thank you for sharing that nugget.

 

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I He had eight catches and three drops in five games.  Not a very good player at all.

17 targets 8 receptions 94 yards.  Cumberland had 13 targets for 5 receptions for 77 yards.  Kellen Davis 5 targets, 1 reception for 1 yard.  Is he good?  Nah.  Is it an upgrade having him on the field in place of Kellen Davis?  I think so.

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About as useful as your noting that we are 1-3 in games without Enunwa actually.  Which was my point.  As if correlation implies causation.  It does not.

But just in case you missed it... again... I thank you for sharing that nugget.

 

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I'd agree, except Enunwa's primary contribution as a third WR was run blocking and our running game has been noticeably worse since he's been out, so it's not unreasonable to suggest that his absence has actually had some effect.

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Getting this guy back from suspension this week.  Not trying to overrate the guy and if we're relying on him we have bigger problems but reality is he was a good blocker that can hopefully help our running game

Great point. I think his absence in the running game is just another part of why it has struggled the past few weeks.

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About as useful as your noting that we are 1-3 in games without Enunwa actually.  Which was my point.  As if correlation implies causation.  It does not.

But just in case you missed it... again... I thank you for sharing that nugget.

 

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The Enunwa sample is four games, though. The rain is only one. Much more accurate to draw conclusions from Quincy's availability. 4-1 with him, 1-3 without. Pretty clear cut. 

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Generally speaking I tend to be on the opposite side of nyjunc when it comes to debates, but he's right on this.  Ray Rice was a good enough player to warrant a starting job on a lot of teams.  That tape sealed the deal for him.  Sure there may be pics from Hardy's incident, but I guarantee if there was actual video of what was accounted for in his case that was available to the public he would not be playing today.  It is what it is, Chris Brown beat Rihanna to a pulp and there are pics to prove it.  He's still a mainstream superstar.  But if there was video of him beating the crap out of her things would be different.  For some reason when it comes to horrible things, the aftermath is generally not enough for the mainstream public.  They want to see the carnage in action to truly be outraged.  Trust me, if there was video of AP whacking the sh*t out of his kid with a switch I doubt we'd be seeing him play right now as well. 

You could be right but I'm not so sure. I think Ray Rice, even with the video, gets another shot eventually if he was coming off his 2011 production. As is, he was coming off a year in which he averaged about 3 YPC and looked done. Remember that there were longevity questions marks coming out of school as Schiano ran him ragged at Rutgers and Rice isn't the biggest guy to begin with. But even with visual evidence, I still think an NFL team would take on the headache if they felt the talent was worth it. 

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The Enunwa sample is four games, though. The rain is only one. Much more accurate to draw conclusions from Quincy's availability. 4-1 with him, 1-3 without. Pretty clear cut. 

I am guessing the whole causation thing is not resonating with you.

We are also 2-1 in games played in a month which start with a vowel.

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Calling it now: the Re-insertion of Quincy into the lineup rotation will astonishingly REVITALIZE our running game by having the edge better set on crack blocks and ILBs better chipped allowing Ivory to make AND turn the corner to steamroll the residual DBs left in the wake of his locamotive path. 

Jets will re-establish the running game this Sunday in Houston.  

Go Git 'Em GangGreen!

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Calling it now: the Re-insertion of Quincy into the lineup rotation will astonishingly REVITALIZE our running game by having the edge better set on crack blocks and ILBs better chipped allowing Ivory to make AND turn the corner to steamroll the residual DBs left in the wake of his locamotive path. 

Jets will re-establish the running game this Sunday in Houston.  

Go Git 'Em GangGreen!

CAN'T WAIT!

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I am guessing the whole causation thing is not resonating with you.

We are also 2-1 in games played in a month which start with a vowel.

We should also suspend Richardson for the next 4 games - 3-1 guaranteed!

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I am guessing the whole causation thing is not resonating with you.

We are also 2-1 in games played in a month which start with a vowel.

The Jets win 80% of the time with Quincy in the lineup, and lose 75% when he's not. I don't even understand why we're having this conversation. We can't miss the playoffs as long as he remains healthy. It's simple math. 

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The Jets win 80% of the time with Quincy in the lineup, and lose 75% when he's not. I don't even understand why we're having this conversation. We can't miss the playoffs as long as he remains healthy. It's simple math. 

He does have a point about the team's performance in months starting with a vowel.

Stats don't lie. Slats doesn't lie. Yet they are seemingly opposed. Oh, in whom/what am I to place my trust? Friendship and loyalty, or science? :) 

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He does have a point about the team's performance in months starting with a vowel.

Stats don't lie. Slats doesn't lie. Yet they are seemingly opposed. Oh, in whom/what am I to place my trust? Friendship and loyalty, or science? :) 

It's true, I'd feel a lot better about the post-season if it extended into April. 

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SERIOUS QUESTION:  Does anybody have the statistics on what defenses the Jets faced?  Meaning nickel personnel, etc? 

Enunwa is a very good blocker, but I doubt he is any better than Bohannon, Cumberland or Davis.  He is a fair receiver and route runner.  More of a threat than Bohannon, Cumberland or Davis, but not something a team's nickel CB will be very concerned with.  For purposes of the spread, his main value is probably versatility.  He can play H-back, outside or slot WR, and maybe some inline TE.  The key to our success running with him in the game may be that teams will play nickel against him.  He is probably fast enough to be a serious problem for most LBs in coverage.  If teams are bringing in an extra DB for personnel groupings against Enunwa, that is usually a little slot CB that is more easily blocked and a fly on an elephant's ass trying to tackle Ivory.  I wonder if that is part of the early success or if the failure is just the result of teams adjusting, Mangold, Colon and Ivory getting hurt.

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Forgot to include Bohannon - sort of like Gailey
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The Jets win 80% of the time with Quincy in the lineup, and lose 75% when he's not. I don't even understand why we're having this conversation. We can't miss the playoffs as long as he remains healthy. It's simple math. 

Because you are implying that the Jets have better winning record when he is in the lineup BECAUSE he is in the lineup when in fact there is zero evidence to support this leap of faith.

Hence my facetious comments about losing in games started in the pouring rain or winning in months beginning with a vowel.  There is correlation but no evidence of causation and anyone who took statistics in high school will tell you that four games is way too small of a sample to be statistically significant anyway.

He is a 2 catch and one drop per game player which pretty much means he has been a complete non-factor in our games all year long.  The very definition of a JAG

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Because you are implying that the Jets have better winning record when he is in the lineup BECAUSE he is in the lineup when in fact there is zero evidence to support this leap of faith.

Hence my facetious comments about losing in games started in the pouring rain or winning in months beginning with a vowel.  There is correlation but no evidence of causation and anyone who took statistics in high school will tell you that four games is way too small of a sample to be statistically significant anyway.

He is a 2 catch and one drop per game player which pretty much means he has been a complete non-factor in our games all year long.  The very definition of a JAG

Yes, because a player's complete contribution is solely measured by his catches and drops.

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SERIOUS QUESTION:  Does anybody have the statistics on what defenses the Jets faced?  Meaning nickel personnel, etc? 

Enunwa is a very good blocker, but I doubt he is any better than Bohannon, Cumberland or Davis.  He is a fair receiver and route runner.  More of a threat than Bohannon, Cumberland or Davis, but not something a team's nickel CB will be very concerned with.  For purposes of the spread, his main value is probably versatility.  He can play H-back, outside or slot WR, and maybe some inline TE.  The key to our success running with him in the game may be that teams will play nickel against him.  He is probably fast enough to be a serious problem for most LBs in coverage.  If teams are bringing in an extra DB for personnel groupings against Enunwa, that is usually a little slot CB that is more easily blocked and a fly on an elephant's ass trying to tackle Ivory.  I wonder if that is part of the early success or if the failure is just the result of teams adjusting, Mangold, Colon and Ivory getting hurt.

Everyone runs the 4-6 vs. the Jets and dares them to throw.

Good guess, right? 

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Because you are implying that the Jets have better winning record when he is in the lineup BECAUSE he is in the lineup when in fact there is zero evidence to support this leap of faith.

Hence my facetious comments about losing in games started in the pouring rain or winning in months beginning with a vowel.  There is correlation but no evidence of causation and anyone who took statistics in high school will tell you that four games is way too small of a sample to be statistically significant anyway.

He is a 2 catch and one drop per game player which pretty much means he has been a complete non-factor in our games all year long.  The very definition of a JAG

They win 80% of the games he plays in, and only 25% of the games he misses. His presence clearly factors into the team's win percentage in a positive way. There's no denying it. 

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how do you know it wasn't how I wear my rally hat ?

If you altered the way you wear your rally hat the last four weeks, that could definitely be a factor, too. Try to go back and do whatever it was you were doing the first two weeks of the season. I'd like to see more five takeaway games. :)

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If you altered the way you wear your rally hat the last four weeks, that could definitely be a factor, too. Try to go back and do whatever it was you were doing the first two weeks of the season. I'd like to see more five takeaway games. :)

sometimes I can't tell if it's how I wear my heat or where I am sitting.  I should keep a log

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Yes, because a player's complete contribution is solely measured by his catches and drops.

No his contribution is not solely measured by his stats but he also not divorced from his stats either.  They are his record.  He is on the roster as WR and one who does not actually factor very much in the passing offense.  His only out-of-the-ordinary statistic as a WR appears to be the percentage of footballs that he has managed to drop (nearly 20%).  Albeit a percentage on a relatively small number of targets.

Chicken or the egg?  Was he targeted so infrequently because of his drops or did he drop the ball so much because he was targeted infrequently?

You show me any JAG/non-contributor and I will show you a player whose "complete contribution" is not measured solely by his statistics.   Vernon Gholston for example did not have a complete contribution that was measured solely by his lack of tackles or lack of sacks.  All of that does not mean he was not a bust.

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They win 80% of the games he plays in, and only 25% of the games he misses. His presence clearly factors into the team's win percentage in a positive way. There's no denying it. 

You secretly hope this will go on for 5 more pages. I know you do.

If I can be of some assistance...

We haven't been to an AFC Championship Game - or finished a season with a winning record, for that matter - since cutting Vernon Gholston. There is no denying the downward spiral this team has been through since his Jets days ended. But with him? Ooh, the worst we finished was 9-7. 

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No his contribution is not solely measured by his stats but he also not divorced from his stats either.  They are his record.  He is on the roster as WR and one who does not actually factor very much in the passing offense.  His only out-of-the-ordinary statistic as a WR appears to be the percentage of footballs that he has managed to drop (nearly 20%).  Albeit a percentage on a relatively small number of targets.

Chicken or the egg?  Was he targeted so infrequently because of his drops or did he drop the ball so much because he was targeted infrequently?

You show me any JAG/non-contributor and I will show you a player whose "complete contribution" is not measured solely by his statistics.   Vernon Gholston for example did not have a complete contribution that was measured solely by his lack of tackles or lack of sacks.  All of that does not mean he was not a bust.

I'm talking specifically about his contribution as a blocker seeing how woeful our TE corps is. Enumwa wasn't the sole factor , but his edge and perimeter blocking certainly helped Ivory those 4 games he played.  Calling someone a JAG after 4 games played when he's being utilized in a role outside of his natural position is way premature. Reminds me of all those calling Pryor a JAG and bust last season.

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You secretly hope this will go on for 5 more pages. I know you do.

If I can be of some assistance...

We haven't been to an AFC Championship Game - or finished a season with a winning record, for that matter - since cutting Vernon Gholston. There is no denying the downward spiral this team has been through since his Jets days ended. But with him? Ooh, the worst we finished was 9-7. 

I haven't followed his career too closely, is he available? 

And actually, I almost came clean in my last post, but the density is almost impossible to turn away from. Lol. 

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