AFCEastFan Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 we have seen he can't play w/ fully inflated footballs. again I ask, if there is a cloud around NE why not SF? Because SF's cheating/success happened in the days before 24/7 internet discussion and talking heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I don't think I could criticize anyone for picking Brady over Montana as he is in the discussion and it's an opinion, but give me Montana every day of the week over anyone else. You ever see Namath in college with 2 good legs?? He would have been amazing with today's rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Not to mention the league is completely different and has literally changed rules to help Mr. Brady. That and cheating. Cheating helps. ask QBs of the 60s and 70s if they changed rules to help the guys in the 80s. that was the cry when marino smashed all those records. Rules change, the great ones adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 ask QBs of the 60s and 70s if they changed rules to help the guys in the 80s. that was the cry when marino smashed all those records. Rules change, the great ones adapt. Cool, now ask those same guys what they think about todays rules. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 He's ARod. Great player, nefarious methods (probably unneeded), manufactured persona to hide major personality flaws, zero accountability = will never have the respect that a Montana gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Cool, now ask those same guys what they think about todays rules. lol every previous generation will complain about the current one. it's been that way since the beginning of time. He's ARod. Great player, nefarious methods (probably unneeded), manufactured persona to hide major personality flaws, zero accountability = will never have the respect that a Montana gets. Peyton is ARod, great #s guy, folds in big spots. Brady is like Jeter would be on steroids w/ incredible #s and big play in big games winning championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Very true but that on BB not the players.. Tom Brady purposely had his locker room boys deflate footballs. He's a cheater. He and all the other players did not suddenly tell the coach not to given them any ill gotten info. No, they are all to blame and should all be painted with the same brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tom Brady purposely had his locker room boys deflate footballs. He's a cheater. He and all the other players did not suddenly tell the coach not to given them any ill gotten info. No, they are all to blame and should all be painted with the same brush. yep and he's really been struggling since they decided to monitor the levels of footballs. that was the most overblown story in the history of sports, such an inconsequential act but people act like that is why he is so great. Mind boggling stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 the most overblown "controversy" I have ever seen. a witch hunt from the start. Overblown? LOL Tampering with in game equipment against express rules in a surreptitious way by staff of a team at the direction of the staring Qb is overblown? Where do you draw the line for 'overblown'? Is tampering with team head sets over blown or is that bad? Can I move the goal posts on one end of the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tom Brady purposely had his locker room boys deflate footballs. He's a cheater. He and all the other players did not suddenly tell the coach not to given them any ill gotten info. No, they are all to blame and should all be painted with the same brush. So you wouldn't take Brady as the Jet QB??LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 So you wouldn't take Brady as the Jet QB??LOL Compiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Overblown? LOL Tampering with in game equipment against express rules in a surreptitious way by staff of a team at the direction of the staring Qb is overblown? Where do you draw the line for 'overblown'? Is tampering with team head sets over blown or is that bad? Can I move the goal posts on one end of the field? a slight underinflation of a football is not a big deal which was why the fine was $25k. some like they overinflated, some under. who cares? did you se him in the SB w/ a properly inflated ball? have you seen him this season? so you admit SF tampering w/ headsets was wrong so why don't you bash them for "cheating" and knock Joe down a peg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Compiler. yep, compiles #s, wins, championships. I hope some day we will have a QB half as great as Brady has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 yep, compiles #s, wins, championships. I hope some day we will have a QB half as great as Brady has been. You don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 He's ARod. Great player, nefarious methods (probably unneeded), manufactured persona to hide major personality flaws, zero accountability = will never have the respect that a Montana gets. Perfect analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 You don't get it. one of us does not get it, that person is not me. I can't stand NE and Brady but I can appreciate greatness. Year after year after year, doesn't matter who is around him he gives his teams a chance to compete for championships. the NE franchise was a sinking ship when he took over and he turned them into a dynasty. BB would be a DC somewhere today if not for Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I still think Montana was the better QB, mainly because the rules back then were nowhere near as skewed in favor of the offense as they are now. That being said, as much as I hate admitting it, you can't deny that Brady is a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 one of us does not get it, that person is not me. I can't stand NE and Brady but I can appreciate greatness. Year after year after year, doesn't matter who is around him he gives his teams a chance to compete for championships. the NE franchise was a sinking ship when he took over and he turned them into a dynasty. BB would be a DC somewhere today if not for Brady. The "compiler" comment was directed at a specific poster. Get over yourself. Brady can't carry Montana's jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If Montana were playing today he'd win every Super Bowl. Seriously? Either you are kidding or you are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I still think Montana was the better QB, mainly because the rules back then were nowhere near as skewed in favor of the offense as they are now. That being said, as much as I hate admitting it, you can't deny that Brady is a great player. Once you talk top 2-4, whats it really matter. Brady is in that discussion. Montana, Brady etc... Any sane JETS fan should admit that. Yep..we had 6 opportunities to draft him and we took Chad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I still think Montana was the better QB, mainly because the rules back then were nowhere near as skewed in favor of the offense as they are now. That being said, as much as I hate admitting it, you can't deny that Brady is a great player. do we not take into account that rules were changed to help offenses in that decade and that the Niners were one of the first to run the QB friendly west coast offense? again, I have no issue at all w/ anyone saying Joe is #1. I think Brady is 1 but you can't go wrong w/ either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Seriously? Either you are kidding or you are an idiot. I admit I was being a bit hyperbolic but you're just being mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would take Brady over Montana every day of the week.. Today's rules or 80s rules? 80's rules. Joe. He was tougher, he went up against some all time defenses, those Bears and Giants of the 80's, even the Eagles and the Vikings back then. Brady has never taken a pounding like what Joe took back then, and I don't know that he could. In the 80's you could not just duck down, you would be rediculed for it, remember Jim "Chris" Everitt? But man, Brady is really good right now, and with the protection the league gives, he has lasted so much longer than Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Once you talk top 2-4, whats it really matter. Brady is in that discussion. Montana, Brady etc... Any sane JETS fan should admit that. Yep..we had 6 opportunities to draft him and we took Chad. the league had 6 chances too. it goes back to the BP/BB feud. it cost us Brady and if BB stayed and drafted Brady how the opinions of those 2 would be different here and in Foxboro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I admit I was being a bit hyperbolic but you're just being mean. Fair enough. Sorry. Kidding it is. LOL I'd love to see the 2014 Patriots vs. the 1985 Bears. Would be insane!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 do we not take into account that rules were changed to help offenses in that decade and that the Niners were one of the first to run the QB friendly west coast offense? again, I have no issue at all w/ anyone saying Joe is #1. I think Brady is 1 but you can't go wrong w/ either. That's cool, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Yours just happens to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Tom Brady accounted for 99.7% of his team's offense last sunday. He was also their leading rusher. He's either the greatst QB of all time, or, well, you know. But either way I feel completely justified cancelling the NFL Sunday ticket. I find it hard to be entertained by this entire league anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 the league had 6 chances too. it goes back to the BP/BB feud. it cost us Brady and if BB stayed and drafted Brady how the opinions of those 2 would be different here and in Foxboro. If the Jets ever got caught cheating the NFL would have stripped us of the titles and contracted us out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Fair enough. Sorry. Kidding it is. LOL I'd love to see the 2014 Patriots vs. the 1985 Bears. Would be insane!!! Bears 72 Pats Negative 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Today's rules or 80s rules? 80's rules. Joe. He was tougher, he went up against some all time defenses, those Bears and Giants of the 80's, even the Eagles and the Vikings back then. Brady has never taken a pounding like what Joe took back then, and I don't know that he could. In the 80's you could not just duck down, you would be rediculed for it, remember Jim "Chris" Everitt? But man, Brady is really good right now, and with the protection the league gives, he has lasted so much longer than Joe. I don't understand how anyone can say he was tougher. you guys just don't realize how tough Brady is. QBs didn't duck down in the 80s? sometimes we may remember things a certain way but it's not reality. 10-20 years from now people will say how tough Brady was and how soft the "modern" QBs are. :15 sec mark, 8:30 mark, 12:10 mark, 14:40 mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Check out this site Montana admitted his linemen used to spray their Jerseys with silicon.. http://yourteamcheats.com/SF There are hundreds of players who did stuff. The ball thing, I'm just so sick of it. How much stickum did Biletnikoff use? Namath has so much alcohol on his breath, he'd try to get the other D-Lineman drunk by breathing on them. Some dude on the Raiders wrapped his for arm in a cast for like 2 years to use as a weapon. Shoot, the gloves the WR use today making catching the ball much easier than it was 20 years ago. Everyone looks for an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If the Jets ever got caught cheating the NFL would have stripped us of the titles and contracted us out of the league. we know the Jets have never looked to gain an edge by bending rules. we always play by the rules, it's the other teams that cheat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I don't understand how anyone can say he was tougher. you guys just don't realize how tough Brady is. QBs didn't duck down in the 80s? sometimes we may remember things a certain way but it's not reality. 10-20 years from now people will say how tough Brady was and how soft the "modern" QBs are. :15 sec mark, 8:30 mark, 12:10 mark, 14:40 mark I'll give Brady this, he does not seem to get as rattled as he did a few years ago when he gets hit. But don't compare the beating they took in the 70s and 80s vs now. Maybe Brady could have hung in there, but he wouldn't be nearly as effective at 37 is he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'll give Brady this, he does not seem to get as rattled as he did a few years ago when he gets hit. But don't compare the beating they took in the 70s and 80s vs now. Maybe Brady could have hung in there, but he wouldn't be nearly as effective at 37 is he is now. QBs get down to preserve their bodies, it's been that way as long as I have been watching football(early 80s). all players are tough, all QBs are extremely tough, you don't play as many games as he has w/o being incredibly tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 do we not take into account that rules were changed to help offenses in that decade and that the Niners were one of the first to run the QB friendly west coast offense? again, I have no issue at all w/ anyone saying Joe is #1. I think Brady is 1 but you can't go wrong w/ either. Not to degree in which the rules favor the offense now. Not even close. Defenders were allowed much more contact with receivers back then. Also they didn't baby QBS like they do now. Brady has never taken the kind of shots that Montana took. Leonard Marshall practically crippled the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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