HessStation Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 These names being bandied about are absurd.. Weeden and Mettenberger, besides both being worse than Geno, are their teams only viable backups at the moment. Why the hell would they trade them? Even more ludicrous is the notion we can pry away Glennon from the Bucs for a bag of beans. I watched about 10 minutes of the Bucs game yesterday and Winston finished a run off by lowering his shoulder (like stupid, idiot, moron, Geno), and also played the role of fullback when he handed off to Doug Martin on another. Why in the hell would the Bucs trade their promising young back up who could very likely see the field and knows their system for a Jets conditional 6th rounder.. And why would we want him? It would take him a month to learn the system and he'd just be sitting behind Geno anyway. If the Jets do trade for a QB it's going to be some teams 3rd stringer who has some live game experience to back Geno up. These fairy tales about getting some insta-starter on the dawn of the trade deadline are embarassing. I'd take a shot on the goon Mettenberger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Do we even need a QB? Are either that injured? Why was Fitz back in the game if he was too hurt to play? I'd rather see Petty get some run than sign 90% of the guys being talked about in possible trade scenarios. Fitz is probably going to need surgery. He was only in the game because Geno got rocked and had to come out. How healthy Geno is, is also questionable. He took a few big hits, some unnecessarily. Petty isn't ready for the big time yet. Going to Petty is conceding the season and that's a tough sell to a team full of vets with a winning record and manageable schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Fitz is probably going to need surgery. He was only in the game because Geno got rocked and had to come out. How healthy Geno is, is also questionable. He took a few big hits, some unnecessarily. Petty isn't ready for the big time yet. Going to Petty is conceding the season and that's a tough sell to a team full of vets with a winning record and manageable schedule. Agreed. You have to acknowledge the way the defense pretty much threw up their hands after Fitz got hurt too... it reminded me of the past 4 years, with Sanchez and Geno, the way the QB would inspire zero confidence and the defense would pretty much play not to get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I'd take a shot on the goon Mettenberger. has he ever won a game as a starter? I'm not being sarcastic - I thought I heard an announcer say he's never won a game he's started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyshuler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Didn't see last couple of minutes of the game. Heard Fitz came back in, how many plays and what were the plays/result? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Agreed. You have to acknowledge the way the defense pretty much threw up their hands after Fitz got hurt too... it reminded me of the past 4 years, with Sanchez and Geno, the way the QB would inspire zero confidence and the defense would pretty much play not to get hurt. amazing that as soon as fitz left the game, the defense resembled the offense - confused, not on the same page, sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 has he ever won a game as a starter? I'm not being sarcastic - I thought I heard an announcer say he's never won a game he's started. He looked better in the opportunities he had last year, this year he's looked bad. That whole team is ******* awful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I care we are 4-3 the season is far from over we still have a chance have you seen the injury reports from around the NFL every team is hurting. Well than you might as well hope Geno can turn the 2 game losing streak around, he's the only one that's gonna have an inkling into Chans playbook. No ones coming in here from the outside & look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 has he ever won a game as a starter? I'm not being sarcastic - I thought I heard an announcer say he's never won a game he's started. no, he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 has he ever won a game as a starter? I'm not being sarcastic - I thought I heard an announcer say he's never won a game he's started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 To pac: i have no idea. I'm not necessarily a fan of the big, dumb goon but at least he's tall and has a cannon. Worth a shot if we're talking about Geno starting is what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 This new format sucks. Quoting and posting doesn't really work right anymore on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 First, it's not "my work", it's your argument. If you cannot support it with examples of similar successes, simply say so. Second, I've already said if a reasonable QB costs us only a 4th or less, make the trade. Such a cost is acceptable. Third, no, I don't think desperation-reeking mid-season is the time to "improve the roster". Fourth, the FO may feel a move is warranted, both for now and the future, but they're far from "obligated" at this point of this specific season. They're not 6-0 and just lost a QB, after all. By the way, you were a massive Geno Smith fan this last off season Nut, what happened, suddenly you see your guy play and now he's not a shiny as you thought, so on to the next flavor of the second for you, eh? So what youre trying to tell us is that there are no teams who have ever changed QBs, picked up a FA QB or traded for a QB who have benefited because of it? And you think every trade is a desperation move and reeks? That might be the lamest reason not to make a trade, to not try and improve your roster makes no sense to you. WTF, wait until tomorrow, next week or next year. And of course we're not 6-0 so why bother. 4-3, a defense you can win with and offensive weapons translates to the season is over to you, forgot. And yes, asking a pointless question, that even if right proves absolutely nothing given each case is different and asking me to find the proof to prove your point is doing your work. You do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So what youre trying to tell us is that there are no teams who have ever changed QBs, picked up a FA QB or traded for a QB who have benefited because of it? And you think every trade is a desperation move and reeks? That might be the lamest reason not to make a trade, to not try and improve your roster makes no sense to you. WTF, wait until tomorrow, next week or next year. And of course we're not 6-0 so why bother. 4-3, a defense you can win with and offensive weapons translates to the season is over to you, forgot. And yes, asking a pointless question, that even if right proves absolutely nothing given each case is different and asking me to find the proof to prove your point is doing your work. You do it I'm not telling anyone anything. For the third time now I'm asking you to support the very basics of your argument, that trading for a QB in the middle of the season to start that QB has precedent for success in NFL history. If you either can't, or won't, support your own arguments, so be it, you can safely be ignored as poorly informed and with inadequate analytical skills. And yes, I think THIS team, trading too much for another teams future castoff backup QB, reeks of desperation, absolutely. Whine all you like about "doing my work" for me, I'm not the one who slobbered all over Geno and who now wants to slobber all over Glennon, or Metzenwhatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm not telling anyone anything. For the third time now I'm asking you to support the very basics of your argument, that trading for a QB in the middle of the season to start that QB has precedent for success in NFL history. If you either can't, or won't, support your own arguments, so be it, you can safely be ignored as poorly informed and with inadequate analytical skills. And yes, I think THIS team, trading too much for another teams future castoff backup QB, reeks of desperation, absolutely. Whine all you like about "doing my work" for me, I'm not the one who slobbered all over Geno and who now wants to slobber all over Glennon, or Metzenwhatever. Its a fairly simple idea, really doesnt need any proof. Or validation. You cant get why if we need a QB, while sitting at 4-3, then you really need to stop. You want to act like a clown and say prove it over and over again, sorry, not playing that silly game. The NFL is littered with QBs who went from a scrub on one team to a winner on another. When or how they got there is pointless. Or are you so sure we have our QB already on the roster so should stop right there. When youre talking QB there is no such thing as mortgaging your future. If you think a Glennon or Mecklenberger can win you go out and get him, you don't worry about a 3rd, 4th, 5th or Coples getting in the way of a deal. Period, end of the argument. No one would disagree with that simple, age old concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think the ship has sailed but the only QB that had or has been rumored to be dealt would have been Brees. I would have been willing to give up pair of one's to bring him here have him QB this team for 2 or 3 years and let Petty learn under one of the best. This article nearly gave me a stroke on Friday cause when I first looked at the headline I thought the Jets had pulled off the deal. Turns out it was just someone's opinion. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14003606/trades-see-drew-brees-new-orleans-saints-new-york-jets Trades we'd like to see: Saints send Drew Brees to Jets 4d - NFL DREW BREES +2 more Could the Saints part ways with quarterback Drew Brees in order to rebuild? Stacy Revere/Getty Images Greg Garber, Writer, Reporter 7KShares Email print comment As the NFL's trading deadline -- Tuesday, Nov. 3, at 4 p.m. ET -- approaches, we propose five explosive, albeit unlikely, possible deals. Proposed trade No. 3: New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees to New York Jets for a third-round draft choice The Saints have defied gravity for about as long as any team can in today's NFL that is not based in New England, as the Baltimore Ravens and San Francisco 49ers will attest. New Orleans won a Super Bowl at the end of the 2009 season and put together double-digit regular-season wins four times in five seasons. But the modern-day reality is three losing seasons in the past four, including a 3-4 mark this season, already hopelessly far behind the 6-0Carolina Panthers and 6-1 Atlanta Falcons in the smoking NFC South. The Saints have systematically dismantled their core, underlined by the dealing of tight end Jimmy Graham to the Seattle Seahawks and the release of linebacker Junior Galette, in an attempt to keep face of the franchise and future Hall of Famer in the pocket. There are 11 rookies on the roster already, so they are already well into a drastic makeover. Now it's time to throw caution to the wind and let the Brees go -- while he's still worth something. We could have sent him to theBuffalo Bills or Washington Redskins, but this was the best fit. The Jets might have the best defense in the league, and while Ryan Fitzpatrick has been an efficient (and cheap) option under center, it's only been six games. The larger career sample raises the queasy question: Can you win a Super Bowl with him? Jets owner Woody Johnson might say no. Over the years, Johnson has seemed more interested in winning the back page of the New York tabloids than the Super Bowl. His two AFC title game appearances in 2009 and 2010 came with Mark Sanchez at quarterback, but Johnson has signed off on the successful (in a matter of speaking) pursuits of Brett Favre and Tim Tebow. This is a team that sees itself in the playoffs -- and few other wild-card aspirants would benefit more from a significant upgrade at quarterback. This deal for Brees is too good of an opportunity for both teams to, uh, pass up. Brees, who turns 37 in January, is in the second-to-last year of a five-year deal worth $100 million. He's making $13.5 million this year, but the Jets would only have to come up with half in the event of a deadline trade. The base salary is a staggering $19.75 million next year and the salary cap hit is $30 million -- the highest in the league. By releasing or trading Brees, the Saints would save $20 million. Thinking ahead, the Saints picked quarterback Garrett Grayson in the third round this year, the highest they've drafted a quarterback in the regular draft since Archie Manning in 1971. The Jets are among those NFL teams closest to the cap ceiling, but they'll find a way to bring Brees aboard by restructuring his contract and releasing a few players. The third-round price is steep, but if anyone can assimilate a new offense in time for the playoffs, it's Brees. In the end, San Diego's gift to the Saints in 2006 becomes New Orleans' gift to the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah, Cutler in NY would be a disaster, with or without Marshall. Cutler peaked at the combine after the bench press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Any qb trade midseason is always a bad sign and almost always a value fleecing. We aren't getting Mettenberger or anyone remotely comparable for less than a 3rd rnd pick. Any qb would be there as a backup in case Geno gets hurt and we are talking about a remote chance of maybe, maybe swinging one game from a loss to a win. Might be worth it, bc the Jets are all in for the playoffs this year and will be in cap hell for the next seasons, but well I don't see it. i think we sign an old guy somewhere and this trade talk is just due diligence. I really hope we don't go after Kaep or something stupid like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm not telling anyone anything. For the third time now I'm asking you to support the very basics of your argument, that trading for a QB in the middle of the season to start that QB has precedent for success in NFL history. If you either can't, or won't, support your own arguments, so be it, you can safely be ignored as poorly informed and with inadequate analytical skills. And yes, I think THIS team, trading too much for another teams future castoff backup QB, reeks of desperation, absolutely. Whine all you like about "doing my work" for me, I'm not the one who slobbered all over Geno and who now wants to slobber all over Glennon, or Metzenwhatever. Carson Palmer. 2011 Raiders. Barely missed the playoffs thanks to Tim Tebow and the Broncos. Pretty much the same circumstances. Starter went down, back up wasn't going to cut it so they made a move. They may not have won every game but it sure as sh*t wasn't Palmer's fault. He was more than talented enough to get the job done. The rest of that team just wasn't that good. Wouldn't be the same case here. YOU asked Nut the question, YOU find the answer. Took me less than 15 minutes to find an example. You come off completely arrogant here (with no good reason). Especially when your suggestion from earlier in this thread is the FO should basically throw their arms up and say f*ck it, don't make a trade, hold on to the picks, throw in the towel and play for next year. I'm putting this really...REALLY nicely. That sounds like a completely stupid overreaction from a total loser who has never played a down of football (or a second of any competitive sport for that matter) in their life and should never be taken seriously when it comes to discussing the sport. ESPECIALLY when were only 4-3 in a weak AFC. It also sounds to me like you are the one with inadequate analytical skills who can safely be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 No offense but this has to be the dumbest post ever. The season is far from over. Its not like were are .500 or below .500 When a post is this unnecessary and stupid, it's ok to call someone out over it. It adds nothing whatsoever to the conversation, moronically pessimistic and, worst of all, gives off a "I'm smarter than you and my opinion is fact" vibe. I may sound harsh but this sh*t is just ridiculous. The past 24 hours on this board have been almost unbearable. Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 There is no reason to trade future assets to salvage an already-lost season. To do so mortgages the future for a not-worth-it-present. Sign whomever is available on the street once we IR Fitz, Geno gets his last tryout, the Rook gets to be #2, and the Street the #3. At this point, it won't matter anyway because the season, such that it was, ended today in terms of postseason competitiveness. Lost Season ?? Really ? 4-3 is now a lost season ? The only thing this team has done is beat itself. We beat ourselves vs the Eagles and the Pats. The only game I could say we truly lost due to getting the beat down was the Raider Game and that west coast trip is always a bitch. This team has the talent to beat anyone and to give up on that is to be a true loser. This team needs to do whatever it takes to win now because this team is built to win now if you say its not then you're not paying attention. This team needs to learn how to win and show up every week because that's what this is all about. Fitz will probably play this week and everything will be fine no more slow starts no more trap games no more excuses because excuses are for losers. That Oakland team that beat us is going to become a pretty damn good football team and watch out next year when it comes to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 amazing that as soon as fitz left the game, the defense resembled the offense - confused, not on the same page, sloppy. how'd the defense look the previous week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 this has to be sarcasm Don't think so. He wrote it. Another reiterated the idea and someone liked that goofy post too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 amazing that as soon as fitz left the game, the defense resembled the offense - confused, not on the same page, sloppy. I had cancer when Geno was out starter. Went away when Fitz took over as out QB. Should I be scared? Are you kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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