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World Series is over. So let the hot stove talk begin.

Trade Ellsbury!

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How do the Sox dump Hanley?  How do the Yanks dump Ellsbury?  (Unless they pay 75% of his contract)

My guess is it's wishful thinking. Ellsbury just never made sense from the get go. Gardner and him are just far to similar. Would be nice if at least one of them were right handed.

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Catchers

Alex Avila (29)
Carlos Corporan (32)
Chris Iannetta (33)
Jeff Mathis (33)
Michael McKenry (31)
Dioner Navarro (32)
Jordan Pacheco (30)
Brayan Pena (34)
A.J. Pierzynski (39)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (31)
Geovany Soto (33)
Matt Wieters (30)

First Basemen

Jeff Baker (35)
Kyle Blanks (29)
Chris Davis (30)
Edwin Encarnacion (33) – $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Corey Hart (34)
Kelly Johnson (34)
Garrett Jones (35)
Adam Lind (32) – $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
Justin Morneau (35)
Mike Napoli (34)
Byung-ho Park (29) — Posted by KBO’s Nexen Heroes
Steve Pearce (33)
Mark Reynolds (32)
Sean Rodriguez (31)
Chris Parmelee (28)

Second Basemen

Joaquin Arias (31)
Mike Aviles (35)
Emilio Bonifacio (31)
Stephen Drew (33)
Jonathan Herrera (31)
Maicer Izturis (35) – $3MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Kelly Johnson (34)
Howie Kendrick (32)
Daniel Murphy (31)
Steve Pearce (33)
Cliff Pennington (32)
Sean Rodriguez (31)
Skip Schumaker (36) – $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Dan Uggla (36)
Chase Utley (37)
Ben Zobrist (35)

Third Basemen

Joaquin Arias (31)
Mike Aviles (35)
Gordon Beckham (29)
David Freese (33)
Conor Gillaspie (28)
Maicer Izturis (35) – $3MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Casey McGehee (32)
Mark Reynolds (32)
Juan Uribe (37)

Shortstops

Joaquin Arias (31)
Mike Aviles (35)
Clint Barmes (37) — $2MM club opiton with a $200K buyout
Willie Bloomquist (38)
Asdrubal Cabrera (30)
Ian Desmond (30)
Stephen Drew (33)
Alcides Escobar (29) – $5.25MM club option with a $500K buyout
Cliff Pennington (32)
Alexei Ramirez (34) – $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jimmy Rollins (37)
Brendan Ryan (34) – $1MM player option

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Domonic Brown (28)
Kyle Blanks (29)
Yoenis Cespedes (30)
Rajai Davis (35)
Alejandro De Aza (32)
David DeJesus (36) – $5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Chris Denorfia (35)
Jonny Gomes (35) – $3MM club option
Alex Gordon (32) – $12.5MM player option
Franklin Gutierrez (33)
Kelly Johnson (34)
Matt Joyce (31)
Justin Maxwell (32)
David Murphy (34) – $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
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Steve Pearce (33)
Colby Rasmus (29)
Sean Rodriguez (31)
Skip Schumaker (36) – $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
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Justin Upton (28)
Chris B. Young (32)
Delmon Young (30)

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Dexter Fowler (30)
Austin Jackson (29)
Justin Maxwell (32)
Colby Rasmus (29)
Shane Robinson (30)
Denard Span (32)
Drew Stubbs (31)

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Nori Aoki (34) – $5.5MM club option with a $700K buyout
Jose Bautista (35) – $14MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Domonic Brown (28)
Marlon Byrd (38)
Alejandro De Aza (32)
David DeJesus (36) – $5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Chris Denorfia (35)
Franklin Gutierrez (33)
Jason Heyward (26)
Torii Hunter (40)
Matt Joyce (31)
Justin Maxwell (32)
David Murphy (34) – $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Gerardo Parra (29)
Ryan Raburn (35) – $3MM club option with a $100K buyout
Colby Rasmus (29)
Alex Rios (35)
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Grady Sizemore (33)
Will Venable (33)
Shane Victorino (35)
Chris B. Young (32)
Delmon Young (30)

Designated Hitters

Edwin Encarnacion (33) – $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
John Jaso (32)

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Chad Billingsley (31)
Joe Blanton (35)
Clay Buchholz (31) – $13MM club option with a $245K buyout
Mark Buehrle (37)
Trevor Cahill (28)
Chris Capuano (37)
Wei-Yin Chen (30)
Bartolo Colon (43)
Johnny Cueto (30)
R.A. Dickey (41) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Marco Estrada (32)
Doug Fister (32)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
Dillon Gee (30)
Zack Greinke (32) – can opt out of remaining three years/$71MM
Jeremy Guthrie (37) – $10MM mutual option with a $3.2MM buyout
J.A. Happ (33)
Aaron Harang (38)
Rich Hill (36)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Edwin Jackson (32)
Josh Johnson (32)
Scott Kazmir (32)
Kyle Kendrick (31)
Ian Kennedy (31)
John Lackey (37)
Mat Latos (28)
Mike Leake (28)
Cliff Lee (37) – $27.5MM club option with a $12.5MM buyout
Colby Lewis (36)
Tim Lincecum (32)
Kyle Lohse (37)
Shaun Marcum (34)
Justin Masterson (31)
Brandon Morrow (31)
Hector Noesi (29)
Sean O’Sullivan (28)
Bud Norris (31)
Mike Pelfrey (32)
David Price (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Alfredo Simon (35)
Eric Stults (36)
Ryan Vogelsong (38)
Randy Wolf (39)
Jerome Williams (34)
Chris Young (37)
Jordan Zimmermann (30)

Right-Handed Relievers

Matt Albers (33)
Burke Badenhop (33) — $4MM mutual option with $1.5MM buyout
Matt Belisle (36)
Joaquin Benoit (38) – $8MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Rafael Betancourt (41)
Joe Blanton (35)
Blaine Boyer (34)
Jonathan Broxton (32) – $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Trevor Cahill (28)
Joba Chamberlain (30)
Tyler Clippard (31)
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Justin De Fratus (28)
Jason Frasor (38)
Ernesto Frieri (30)
David Hernandez (31)
Tommy Hunter (29)
Edwin Jackson (32)
Casey Janssen (34) – $7MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout
Jim Johnson (33)
Shawn Kelley (32)
Mark Lowe (33)
Ryan Madson (36)
Edward Mujica (32)
Joe Nathan (41) – $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Darren O’Day (33)
Bobby Parnell (31)
Joel Peralta (40) – $2.5MM club option (no buyout)
Fernando Rodney (39)
Joakim Soria (32)
Dale Thayer (35)
Chad Qualls (37) – $3.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Carlos Villanueva (32)
Ryan Webb (30)
Brad Ziegler (36) – $5.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Left-Handed Relievers

Antonio Bastardo (30)
Joe Beimel (39)
Jerry Blevins (32)
Craig Breslow (35)
Chris Capuano (37)
Neal Cotts (36)
Randy Choate (40)
Ross Detwiler (30)
Brian Duensing (33)
Jeff Francis (35)
Tom Gorzelanny (33)
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Franklin Morales (30)
Eric O’Flaherty (31)
Manny Parra (33)
Oliver Perez (34)
James Russell (30)
Tony Sipp (32)
Joe Thatcher (34)
Matt Thornton (39)

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I've been pretty frugal when it comes to the purse the last few seasons, but this year I'd like to see the Yankees pick up one of these starters, and trade Ivan Nova. In no particular order. 


Johnny Cueto (30)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
Zack Greinke (32)
David Price (30)
Jeff Samardzija (31) 

Doug Fister (32)
Jordan Zimmermann (30)

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Iwakum is long in the tooth.

 

In other news Gary Sanchez is absolutely destroying the Arizona Fall League. Our lineup could really use his right handed bat. Have no idea how he gets playing time. With A-Rod, Beltran at DH.. McCann, JR Murphy at C.

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Wouldn't bring back any of them. Chris Young's role should be taken over by Slade Heathcott or Mason Williams. Would be an interesting spring training competition.

Edit: Hmm, just dawned on me that both Williams and Heathcott are left handed hitters. Really doesn't work. Because of the way the roster is setup, the 4th outfielder on this team should really be a right handed hitter.

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Whenever we played the Orioles last year I just assumed that was Bruce Chen on the mound, man I'm terrible.

but yeah, I'm all for bringing in a strong LHP. I'm not sue what CC's future with this team is, but other than him all our starters are RHP.

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Man, they are all older.   If they want a 4-5 year deal, maybe.  But those guys are going to want between 6 and 150 to 8 and 200.  No way I do that for any of them. 

Keep in mind, other than CC, we have young starters

Severino (21)

Mitchell (24)

Eovaldi (25)

Pineda (26)

Tanaka (27)

Nova (28)

 

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While the Yankees might not go after the biggest free agent names, the club could be active in the second base market, MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch writes. New York has a variety of in-house options to be considered there, of course, but will also look at players such as Daniel Murphy, Ben Zobrist, and Howie Kendrick, per the report.

Big pass on Daniel Murphy for 2B. Whoever signs him should make him their 3B/DH.

That World Series is a cautionary tale about how important defense is. While the comp isn't perfect, keep that in mind when people pencil in Rob Refsnyder at 2B.

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Brendan Ryan has exercised his $1 million player option for 2016, meaning he’ll remain under contract and presumably reprise his role as the right-handed backup shortstop behind Didi Gregorius.

No problem with this. One the best defenders in the game. Ryan can play every position in the infield if need be. Bye bye Stephen Drew.

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It's gonna be frustrating but the Yankees aren't really gonna be able to do much this off season. I wish we could be flexible in what direction we could go in, but the contracts and age of the players on our roster make that impossible.

C. McCann

1B. Teixeira 

2B. Ackley/Refsnyder

SS. Didi

3B. Headley

LF. Gardner

CF. Ellsbury

RF. Beltran

DH. ARod

That is what we are working with. And unless Teixeira gets hurt again, Bird will likely be in AAA playing everyday. A lineup that will greatly depend on players who are another year older.

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Whose contracts are up after this year?

Tex?   With Beltran, Gardner and A Rod up the year after that?   It's hard to get younger with all those still there.

After 2016: Teixeira ('16:$22.5M), Beltran ('16:$15M)

After 2017: A-Rod ('16 $20M, '17:$20M) , Sabathia ('16:$25M, 17:$25M)

After 2018: Gardner ('15:$12M, '16:$13M, '17:$12M, '18:$11M, '19:$12.5M club option), Headley ('16:$13M, '17:$13M, '18:$13M), Miller ('15-'18:$9M annually)

 

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Tex and Beltran, it's good to clear space.  Unfortunately they are 2 of our best RH hitters, with Tex slated to be replaced by a left handed replacement.  (I like Bird, it's just the team is sooooo left handed heavy)

We really really really really need Aaron Judge to be good. We need that right handed power in the middle of the lineup badly. Also, Gary Sanchez (also right handed) though he probably doesn't have a position.

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the Mets were after him during the year.  A little long in the tooth, but in good shape and healthy.  He could be a good addition.  The kind of hitter they really need

Think they went after him for the season that just ended. Dilson Herrera is probably their second baseman moving forward. Think they are more likely to be in the market for a SS, unless they think Flores made strides with his defense.

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Looking at Judge's #s.  He really needs to cut down on strikeouts.  But yeah, they need to develop some actual players themselves.

Some think he was playing hurt in the 2nd half last year. He hurt his back and was out 4 games and when he came back he wasn't the same.

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supposedly Judge hasn't looked good in the minors which is why he didn't get called up last year

 

outfuelders are a dime dozen however.  Ref is the more critical prospect because he played 2nd.

judge looked great until the last month, like i said he had a back injury.  hes a far superior prospect than refsnyder whos borderline starter.

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Can he be called up next year?  Be a 4th outfielder, spelling Gardner and Ellsbury?  (I know he's not a CF, play him in left and slide Gardner to center for a day)

Dont think theyll call him up unless hes gonna play almost everyday. He will be in AAA, so if he gets off to a quick start buzz will start about a callup, especially of Beltran isnt performing, but h has has to earn it. 

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Cashman has to be pretty creative to make any  significant changes, he's really handcuffed by the age/contracts, especially in our lineup. Just don't see any flexibility there. Gardner is the only player in the everyday lineup I can actually see someone willing to trade for.

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http://nypost.com/2015/11/10/yankees-hope-rangers-sell-low-on-former-no-1-prospect/

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Andrew Miller for Stephen Strasburg rumors are circulating, no concrete evidence yet but that's being thrown around. 

pipe dream

he's definitely a fan favorite, homegrown all star. It would suck, but if it improves the team and gives us flexibility to make us better I can't go against it. He's not an untouchable player.

agree with this, I'd much rather deal Ellsbury, but his contract makes that impossible.  I hate being so damn inflexible. We gotta stop giving contracts more than 5 years to players over 30, and no trade clauses.

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I like it. At worst he's a good replacement for Chris Young. Plus plus speed, plus glove, kills LHP. To be an every day player he's gotta show improvement vs RHP.

 

Also, while I like Murphy, this opens up room for Gary Sanchez to make the 25 man roster. Certainly shows the confidence they now have in him.

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William Boor ‏@wboor 1 And after news of #Yankees trading away a catcher breaks, Gary Sanchez hits a two-run homer. #AFL

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Sherman says — not specifically related to a potential Gardner trade, just in general — the Yankees are seeking high-end starting pitching they can control beyond 2017.

I hated our 2013 offseason, but the last 2 offseasons I've dug. Cashman is being smart, he's making low risk high reward trades that help us get younger while we wait out these terrible contracts still on the books.

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Paxton is under team control through 2019.

I like James Paxton, but I'd like a little more than him for Gardner. Push comes to shove I'd probably do it and roll the dice because of the high upside, but I'm worried Paxton is already 28 years old and in 3 years he has 165 innings pitched.

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He is decent, but he is the literal definition of a 6 inning pitcher

 

and would lost our first round draft pick. Unless we go all in and sign one of the top 3 starters available, I hope we trade for a starter.

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Overpay for the new Angels GM and former Yankee assistant GM.

While you can say he's the best defensive player in baseball, Simmons bat really hasn't come around.  And Sean Newcomb is a hell of a prospect.

How much better is Simmons than Didi? And we gave up just Shane Greene.

 

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Didi and Simmons are pretty similar, but when you compare what we gave up for him and what the Angels just gave up for Simmons, and the contracts. It looks like we got away with bank robbery.

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It was a solid package but one was a CF who is blocked by Betts and one was a SS blocked by Bogaerts. I now expect them to drop serious coin on a FA pitcher. 

Kimbrel is 28 has 3 years left on his deal and slides into the 9th inning easy. Really helps a battered pen. 

You don't trade two top 50 prospects for a closer. The fact they are blocked doesn't diminish their actual value and shouldn't play into what you receive for them. For comparison if the Yankees traded Aaron Judge and Jorge Mateo for Kimbrel I would be furious.

This deal makes me wonder what the Yankees could get for Andrew Miller, but I doubt anyone else would give us a similar package.

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The Red Sox have one of the best minor league systems in baseball. Those guys are a small drop in a big lake. Kimbrel is worth it. 

which Dembrowski had nothing to do with. Now he's eating away at that lake with trades like this. I guess he's just using the Sox resources to do what he was  incapable of doing in Detroit, build a bullpen. Next move. Spend $170 million on a starter.

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Again though, thanks for setting the market. Now if anyone wanted Andrew Miller it will cost you 2 top 100 prospects.

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The "r word" haha

I get your point, but rape is not profanity. It's like the word 'murder' is not profanity, but what it means is awful.

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JAGs might be a bit harsh, but they are prospects.

They are projecting as everyday regulars.  Not All-Time greats.  Maybe they develop into a Jeff Bagwell HofFer types, but until they do...they are closer to JAGs than great.

You can say that for every prospect ever. I guess you would of been okay trading Boagarts and Betts a few years ago before they performed in the big leagues, because they were just prospects. No one is ever projected as all-time greats, projecting a prospect as everyday player makes them pretty damn valuable. If these two players are everyday players that means you traded a starting CFer and SS  for a closer (who's getting paid a lot of money)

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