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"Saves" meaningless stat. He's a great closer, but like with all closers he's a 1 inning guy who's  thrown 70 innings in a season once, last time 5 years ago.   Everyday players hold more value. I sure as heck wouldn't of traded Didi Gregorius and Brett Gardner for Craig Kimbell. And those two aren't exactly the best starters in baseball at their respected positions.

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1 guy does not make a bullpen. Having a good closer is meaningless if the bridge to that closer isn't good too. While in the broad sense a bullpen has become more valuable because starters throw less, and run production is down, but individually relief pitchers role has been shrunk to 1 batter, 1 inning, ect. They have become specialists. 7th inning guy, 8th inning guy, 9th inning guy (the closer, who gets paid a lot more than the 7th and 8th inning guy becuase they only got 21st or 24th outs of the game and not 27th out) Plus these pitchers do not pitch at high level for very long. That's what sperated Marinao Rivera from everyone else. Street, Papelbon, Soria, Soriano, Feliz all great, but only for a short period. You can make an argument based on 2015 Kimbrel decline has already begun.

 

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I would LOVE to get Danny Salazar or Carlos Carrasco. Preference being Salazar.

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For...?

Not sure exactly what it would take, Gardner and likely a pretty good prospect.

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I am. One of the most important sports figures in Boston history. They don't break the curse without him. 

or Manny and Ortiz's drug dealer.

ARod is a pariah, while Ortiz gets a pass because he's Dominican Shrek. Media is shameful.

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The way ARod and Ortiz handled their situations was completely different. Also, ARod got caught after the rules were implemented. Ortiz' name, in actuality, should have never been released. Also, you have no idea what he took. There's a lot more to it than "shameful" media. 

Ortiz completely denied it... and still does. Baseball media continues to give him a pass.

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Sammy Sosa failed the exact same test as Ortiz, Sosa has been black balled from the game and no one will ever consider him for the Hall of Fame despite hitting over 600 home runs.

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He also sat there and lied to congress. So. Yeah. Good example. 

and Ortiz has been lying to everyone for a decade.

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No. He hasn't. This isn't the right thread for this. Let's not derail it with your unneeded witch hunt. 

Man.. the double standards with Ortiz sure runs deep.

I've said my piece.

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Starlin Castro?   I admit, I've never seen him play.  But he's signed for 4 more years, and 2 of the last 3 has an OBP under 300, while walking a solid 30 times a year.

They must really not like Refsnyder.

didn't believe the initial report this morning and now..

https://twitter.com/feinsandnydn/status/667801604284780545

 

 

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Robby Cano tired of Seattle

http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/robinson-cano-wants-out-of-seattle-back-to-new-york-112315

I'm sorry.  If I was Seattle I'd be pissed.  You are getting paid a Quarter of a Billion Dollars.  Shut the F up and play ball.  You didn't have to take the money, you did, shut up and play.

some "friend" of Cano told this reporter that Cano is privately telling people he wants out. It's at best lazy stupid story, at worst straight up lies to generate some buzz before free agency heats up. A story that is sure to get a lot of buzz but with absolutely no shot of happening.

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I just wanna ignore this topic because it's a waste of time to even discuss. But here it goes.

Cano always has and always will be the better player. Also believe he is going to age better than Ellsbury and be useful into his late 30's. I see no reason why he later in his career he can't sacrifice a few points on his BA and hit 35 home runs, and maybe DH maybe play some 1B. With  that said, he's 33 and has 8 years and $192 million freaking dollars left on his deal. Think about that. I love Cano. He was my guy ever since Bernie left the scene. But that is an insane contract.

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Like the move for the Red Sox, thought Chris Young would of turned his Yankee gig into a starting gig, surprised he went to the Sox where he'll probably have a similar role he had here. Red Sox have already stated Hanley Ramirez is their starting 1B, so Red Sox fans, correct me if I'm wrong.. Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr, Rusney Castillo are the starting outfielders? with Young getting most of his at bats vs LHP in place of Bradley. Unless the Sox have an OF prospect knocking on the door, I don't see why this would mean a trade is coming..

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per Pete Abraham 

 Red Sox in agreement with David Price. 7 years and $217 million.

 

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Baseball contracts never cease to amaze me.

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What are the Sox up to payroll wise?

Approaching $200 million now.

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Wonder how the Blue Jays feel now. Traded there best prospect in starting pitcher Daniel Norris for 2 months of David Price who now signs with division rival. Signed JA Happ though lol

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that's what an ace costs now in free agency.  They're talking about Greinke getting an even bigger deal.

 

Tanaka for $155mil looks like a bargain now.

it does?

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and tanaka is 27 without the mileage a Price or Greinke have with $60 million less owed

 

but ya, 

Tanaka pitched a ton in Japan (http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=tanaka003mas) the mileage on his arm is a great concern.

And he's yet to prove he's as good as Price or Greinke. Health matters.

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Didn't he just have an elbow surgery too?

No, he's avoided it thus far. He still has a tear in his elbow, and that wont heal until he does have surgery.

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They feel like a team that did not get eliminated in the post season play-in game.

Come on....tons of teams have made the same "going for it" move before.

Did they win the World Series? Did they even get to the World Series? No? So what exactly did they accomplish that  my team didn't? Every time one of these trades happen there is a debate whether they should have sacrificed the future for 2 months. Blue Jays new president reportedly scolded the Blue Jays GM for those moves, he's since resigned. If Daniel Norris goes on to be a Cy Young candidate type pitcher you can all but guarantee this trade will be brought up frequently.

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Give me a break Tanaka's time in Japan is nothing compared to Price pitching 6 years and Greinke over 10 years in the MLB. 

If he's not as good as Price or Greinke he's basically almost there.  Why the hate?

 

What are you talking about man? Tanaka has thrown more innings than Price has, despite Tanaka being younger. And he has arm trouble already. The guy is a ticking time bomb pitching with a small tear in his elbow. The idea that Price is more risky than Tanaka is beyond ridiculous. Tanaka doesn't have as good as stuff as Price or Greinke. If Tanaka pitches in the zone he gets crushed.

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