Paradis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Don't know about many of you, but I was 0% surprised we lost the game last night. We have not beaten a .500 team as of yet, and quite honestly, haven't played 4 quarters of football in a single game yet. Not ready to put this on Bowles yet, but there's definitely a disconnect between the players and the play. Execution and hunger just isn't there 50% of the time. 1) Have you ever seen anything like the Rex/NY saga? Everything Rex said, sounded like someone who has not moved on, and wants to be back here. It's like he's still our coach. F*cked up. 2) Can anyone explain to me why, our "secret" 3rd round pick from Maryland last year who was taken because he's a pass-coverage savant (apparently) has not been on the field and can't beat someone named Williams? 3) Just what in gods name does this team need to do to light a fire under its ass? I can't believe we have a defensive line featuring 4 first round picks and $120 million dollar secondary - and still look this fat and lethargic half the time... I know, I know - Pryor's out and guys are banged up... so what? big fcking deal. Every team has to fight through adversity. So much undisciplined football being played by the Jets right now. It's something i would have expected from Rex, but Bowles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Certainly a rookie coach, a bunch of FA's, more injuries to starters than usual, & a new leader as QB would have me expect more high/low performance variance at this time than I expect at the end of the year ... Make it so NYJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 McDougle is a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 McDougle is a bust. But we passed on a lot of players to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 But we passed on a lot of players to take him. Don't remind me. I'm still pissed we didn't take Burfict for basically nothing. Or Honey Badger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Bad drafting has followed this team for decades. Blaming the coaching staff and the current FO is a bit unfair. This is not what they want on the field yet. No depth has Bowles patching the holes with players who do not fit what he wants yet. The loss to the Bills was very frustrating. Poor QB play. Poor ST play and 4 TO's will put most teams in the L space. time to heal now. Time to get players back and position this team for the stretch run. Games like this the Jets will win next season as better players will be drafted and signed. This season is already more successful than last season. The Jets have to continue to move forward. I am confident that they will. Todd Bowles benches players who don't perform well when the are capable replacements. Right now there are not enough players who can perform at the level that Todd Bowles likes. Give this staff some time to get things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 This team won 4, repeat 4, damn games last year. Two of those were at garbage time in the season. We probably had the worst talent in the league from top to bottom on the roster of any team in the league. They have made tremendous strides this year, but you can't turn a team around in one year, especially when you don't have a good QB. People have to get over the "fan duel" mentality and realize it takes time to get good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Injuries on the scale that the Jets are dealing with right now simply take away the aggression that players need to win the small battles on every play. Errant throws from Fitz, Marshall just not fighting for the ball with the same intensity, Decker lacking that extra step, Ivory nursing a hamstring. Mangold's neck... it just goes on and on. There were so many apparent "miscommunications in the passing game that it has to be a problem at both ends of the play. Add to that what can only be labeled stupid turnovers -- throwing into coverage, running the ball of the corner of the end zone on a hanging kick, etc. It doesn't wash to simply say everybody is banged up. You can see the impact of all these nagging injuries just piling up on overall team play. It's real. And it's unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Injuries on the scale that the Jets are dealing with right now simply take away the aggression that players need to win the small battles on every play. Errant throws from Fitz, Marshall just not fighting for the ball with the same intensity, Decker lacking that extra step, Ivory nursing a hamstring. Mangold's neck... it just goes on and on. There were so many apparent "miscommunications in the passing game that it has to be a problem at both ends of the play. Add to that what can only be labeled stupid turnovers -- throwing into coverage, running the ball of the corner of the end zone on a hanging kick, etc. It doesn't wash to simply say everybody is banged up. You can see the impact of all these nagging injuries just piling up on overall team play. It's real. And it's unfortunate. As much as Thursday sucked, it's nice that the team has almost 10 days off before the next game. The amount of injuries the team is dealing with is higher than usual and, as good or bad as Bowles may turn out to be, he is still a rookie head coach and he is going to have to go through his own growing pains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Too much finger pointing and teeth grinding. People we lost the game because of mindless turnovers!!! We're 5-4 but we haven't been good enough with our ball security. In two of our losses (PHI & BUF) we turned the ball over EIGHT times and yet we could've won both of those games. Let's not complicate the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Bad drafting has followed this team for decades. Blaming the coaching staff and the current FO is a bit unfair. This is not what they want on the field yet. No depth has Bowles patching the holes with players who do not fit what he wants yet. The loss to the Bills was very frustrating. Poor QB play. Poor ST play and 4 TO's will put most teams in the L space. time to heal now. Time to get players back and position this team for the stretch run. Games like this the Jets will win next season as better players will be drafted and signed. This season is already more successful than last season. The Jets have to continue to move forward. I am confident that they will. Todd Bowles benches players who don't perform well when the are capable replacements. Right now there are not enough players who can perform at the level that Todd Bowles likes. Give this staff some time to get things right. Thank you ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Bad drafting has followed this team for decades. Blaming the coaching staff and the current FO is a bit unfair. This is not what they want on the field yet. No depth has Bowles patching the holes with players who do not fit what he wants yet. The loss to the Bills was very frustrating. Poor QB play. Poor ST play and 4 TO's will put most teams in the L space. time to heal now. Time to get players back and position this team for the stretch run. Games like this the Jets will win next season as better players will be drafted and signed. This season is already more successful than last season. The Jets have to continue to move forward. I am confident that they will. Todd Bowles benches players who don't perform well when the are capable replacements. Right now there are not enough players who can perform at the level that Todd Bowles likes. Give this staff some time to get things right. What happened to all that depth we supposedly had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 What happened to all that depth we supposedly had. Thursday we were missing one starting CB, our starting SS, our backup SS, our backup backup SS and I think a backup backup backup SS. Plus our OL was down one starter. None of these positions were problems for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 This team won 4, repeat 4, damn games last year. Two of those were at garbage time in the season. We probably had the worst talent in the league from top to bottom on the roster of any team in the league. They have made tremendous strides this year, but you can't turn a team around in one year, especially when you don't have a good QB. People have to get over the "fan duel" mentality and realize it takes time to get good. Fins won 1 game in 2007 and added Sparano and Mighty Chadwick and won 11 in 2008.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Fins won 1 game in 2007 and added Sparano and Mighty Chadwick and won 11 in 2008.. And what happened after that? They went in the sh*tter. Short term victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 This team won 4, repeat 4, damn games last year. Two of those were at garbage time in the season. We probably had the worst talent in the league from top to bottom on the roster of any team in the league. They have made tremendous strides this year, but you can't turn a team around in one year, especially when you don't have a good QB. People have to get over the "fan duel" mentality and realize it takes time to get good. The NFL is a win now league. This idea of building and building rarely works, unless you're the Packers. We spent the money, have the talent, expecting to win and win often isn't outlandish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The NFL is a win now league. This idea of building and building rarely works, unless you're the Packers. We spent the money, have the talent, expecting to win and win often isn't outlandish. It took Parcells two years. A HOF coach took two years to get us to the AFC championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 It took Parcells two years. A HOF coach took two years to get us to the AFC championship game. Rex took us there in his first season being a head coach. Every example has its polar opposite example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Rex took us there in his first season being a head coach. Every example has its polar opposite example. Ah but that roster was already pre filled. The team had gone 8-8 the season prior. This roster and Parcells roster was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Ah but that roster was already pre filled. The team had gone 8-8 the season prior. This roster and Parcells roster was not. Come on now. This roster has plenty of talent, and could be considered "pre filled". Rex took Sanchez as his starting QB, and his numbers were horrendous. Prior season doesn't mean much to me considering the upgrades all over the field and the money spent. We have fallen short at moments that we shouldn't have. Coaching has not been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Come on now. This roster has plenty of talent, and could be considered "pre filled". Rex took Sanchez as his starting QB, and his numbers were horrendous. Prior season doesn't mean much to me considering the upgrades all over the field and the money spent. We have fallen short at moments that we shouldn't have. Coaching has not been very good. One lesson in sports that people should learn: Money means sh*t. Ask all the baseball and football teams that "won the offseason" and ask them how they did. Ask Vince Young and the Eagles how that went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Too much finger pointing and teeth grinding. People we lost the game because of mindless turnovers!!! We're 5-4 but we haven't been good enough with our ball security. In two of our losses (PHI & BUF) we turned the ball over EIGHT times and yet we could've won both of those games. Let's not complicate the issue The Jets lost because the HC does not have faith in them. Especially on defense. You can't 'go for broke' with three minutes left trailing by five points. You kick the FG and rely on the defense, which had done well in the second half, and then drive for a game winning FG. By failing on fourth down you play right into Buffalo's hand. Now you get the ball back but you still NEED a TD. Big advantage for Buffalo. Jets had all the momentum and Bowles just gave it away with a reckless gamble. To get outcoached by Rex Ryan - even if you are a rookie HC - is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 One lesson in sports that people should learn: Money means sh*t. Ask all the baseball and football teams that "won the offseason" and ask them how they did. Money means something. Without it we are fielding Clyde Gates and Greg Salas with Kyle Wilson playing corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Fins won 1 game in 2007 and added Sparano and Mighty Chadwick and won 11 in 2008.. They only won because Brady was out. And the Pats still almost took the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Money means something. Without it we are fielding Clyde Gates and Greg Salas with Kyle Wilson playing corner. At the same time though - paying Clyde Gates, Greg Salas and Kyle Wilson more wouldn't make them any better. Some of the money we spent got us value ... some didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Money means something. Without it we are fielding Clyde Gates and Greg Salas with Kyle Wilson playing corner. Again, go tell the Eagles about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 At the same time though - paying Clyde Gates, Greg Salas and Kyle Wilson more wouldn't make them any better. Some of the money we spent got us value ... some didn't. No one hits on 100% of the chances they take. Overall, we hit on our choices than not. You can't say we didn't clearly upgrade our defense and our receiving corp. We have the talent. We should be winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Again, go tell the Eagles about that. The Eagles are a bunch of mouth breathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 oh and the defense gave up 1 TD, and a few field goals and forced the bills to give it back 5 straight possessions in the second half which allowed the jets to get back in the game. they held the bills to 280 total yards they held them to 5 of 16 on 3rd down, 0-1 on 4th and calling out mcdougle is just weird. the real draft bummers are coples, milliner, amaro, geno, Hill oh sh*t it gets so depressing so fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Rex took us there in his first season being a head coach. Every example has its polar opposite example. Don't remind me. I'm still pissed we didn't take Burfict for basically nothing. Or Honey Badger. Not really. Both are great coaches Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The Jets lost because the HC does not have faith in them. Especially on defense. You can't 'go for broke' with three minutes left trailing by five points. You kick the FG and rely on the defense, which had done well in the second half, and then drive for a game winning FG. By failing on fourth down you play right into Buffalo's hand. Now you get the ball back but you still NEED a TD. Big advantage for Buffalo. Jets had all the momentum and Bowles just gave it away with a reckless gamble. To get outcoached by Rex Ryan - even if you are a rookie HC - is inexcusable. This is what Rex would have done and you would have killed them. Our defense was also on the field to make a stop at the end of the game and couldn't get off the field Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thursday we were missing one starting CB, our starting SS, our backup SS, our backup backup SS and I think a backup backup backup SS. Plus our OL was down one starter. None of these positions were problems for us. Ivory needs a breather we have nobody RB depth non-existent even with Powell healthy TE we really have none decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 No one hits on 100% of the chances they take. Overall, we hit on our choices than not. You can't say we didn't clearly upgrade our defense and our receiving corp. We have the talent. We should be winning. Our opponents spent a lot of money too. We can't all win just because we spend money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Ivory needs a breather we have nobody RB depth non-existent even with Powell healthy TE we really have none decent Last year we struggled mightily to field a credible starting 22. We're better this year, plus depth at some positions (OL, DL, DB ) ... Rome wasn't built in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Last year we struggled mightily to field a credible starting 22. We're better this year, plus depth at some positions (OL, DL, DB ) ... Rome wasn't built in a day. parcells said its not that hard to go from bad to good, but its very difficult to go from good to great the jets won't be great until they land a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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