JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 MF is switching gears today, defending TC's fg decision to the chagrin of Giant fans. He's making his show about the Giants because they don't have much season left and we do. Coughlin is one of the old school boys that Coughlin loves to defend. If Rex was coaching the Jets and made the EXACT same decision the Fat man would be KILLING him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 The Jets score 10 points in the final 5 minutes of the game to force OT when they played poorly for most of the game usually is big news. The Giants blowing a 4th q lead has been done quite a few times this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Fatcesca: Making excuses for Eli throwing the pick to Rontez Miles. "Eli and Randall are never on the same wavelength". ????? Wasn't it Randall who caught that over the shoulder bomb that destroyed the pats in SB? He's grasping at straws. Take responsibility. It was a bad call to go for it on 4th and 2. PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 ....and how is that wrong? Jets were the better team and favored by Vegas, Mike picked them too. Giants had a 10 point lead late and blew it. Francesa is a great listen. Only bleeding-heart Rex Ryan fans duped by his tattoo and his bravado dislike Francesa for his accuracy on the 2011-2014 Jets. SAR I mike was all over the 2009-2010 jets as well. as much as he was right about the 2011-2014 jets, he came brutally close to swallowing his words in 2009-2010. he didnt like rex and kept doubling down and got really lucky that he won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 @sar1 - Like I said, agree or disagree it is always good radio to hear him and then debate what is good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Fatcesca: Making excuses for Eli throwing the pick to Rontez Miles. "Eli and Randall are never on the same wavelength". ????? Wasn't it Randall who caught that over the shoulder bomb that destroyed the pats in SB? He's grasping at straws. Take responsibility. It was a bad call to go for it on 4th and 2. PERIOD. No that was Maningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 No that was Maningham. Right. Thanks. But Randle did catch a TD in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 You play the percentages. Up 13 with 1/2 quarter is hard to overcome. And even if you do, you have a chance to win the game on a FG. There is no rationalization here. It was a dumb move. Thanks Tommy Boy, you've had a great career. for the giants to get a td on 4th down, it would have won the game. they lined up and maybe you consider it if you think you got the jets defense on their heals. but after the timeout, i was literally SHOCKED that they went for it. easily breaks the top 100 in dumb coaching moves in the history of pro sports. getting a td there gives the giants 100% probability of a win. kicking a fg gives the giants about a 95% probability of a win. getting no points puts them at 50%. the risk/reward wasnt even close. its like taking your life savings and buying lottery tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Coughlin's decision was really plagued by his own team's ineptitude over the season holding 4th quarter leads. I get "why" he made the call. With that said though you can't let the past completely dominate a decision like that. He has to know the opponent he's playing, and one huge factor that should have played in his mind is the Jets have not been very good coming back in games. 2 TD's with less than 8 minutes left is a very tall task for the Jets. Every Jets fan on the planet was happy to see him going for it because we'd much rather take our chances stopping a 4th and goal from the 2 than trying to score 2 quick TD's like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Failed 4th down conversions are always a big topic for the winning or losing team. If he went for a FG on 4th and two up 10 who even complains about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 What happened to the "Minkman"? He sounds like Kiner post-stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 mike was all over the 2009-2010 jets as well. as much as he was right about the 2011-2014 jets, he came brutally close to swallowing his words in 2009-2010. he didnt like rex and kept doubling down and got really lucky that he won When the Jets went on their losing streak in 09 he called Rex a bafoon over and over again for it. Then he spun it and went on a nonstop rant how the Jets never, ever would have won in Indy and backed in. He hated Rex from day one, when Rex was good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Failed 4th down conversions are always a big topic for the winning or losing team. If he went for a FG on 4th and two up 10 who even complains about that? No one. Unless you believe Francessa who swears that Coughlin would be killed for it. Difference is they're right to kill him over going on 4th and 2 and would be wrong to kill him for kicking the FG. The loss goes from blaming the D for giving up 2 TDs to lose by 1 to blaming TC for the stupid move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Right. Thanks. But Randle did catch a TD in the SB. No he didn't. He wasn't a Giant yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Didn't listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet in PA Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 for the giants to get a td on 4th down, it would have won the game. they lined up and maybe you consider it if you think you got the jets defense on their heals. but after the timeout, i was literally SHOCKED that they went for it. easily breaks the top 100 in dumb coaching moves in the history of pro sports. getting a td there gives the giants 100% probability of a win. kicking a fg gives the giants about a 95% probability of a win. getting no points puts them at 50%. the risk/reward wasnt even close. its like taking your life savings and buying lottery tickets According to @pfref, the #Giants had a win probability of 99.4% with 10:54 left in the 4th quarter vs. the #Jets. Just call us .6!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 According to @pfref, the #Giants had a win probability of 99.4% with 10:54 left in the 4th quarter vs. the #Jets. Just call us .6!! when the Giants were on our 4 yard line already up 10 in the 4th qtr the sh-t looked bleak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Failed 4th down conversions are always a big topic for the winning or losing team. If he went for a FG on 4th and two up 10 who even complains about that? No one would complain!! if jets pulled off a miracle and scored 2 tds in last 8 minutes, no one would point to 4th and 2 FG. Notta one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 MF is switching gears today, defending TC's fg decision to the chagrin of Giant fans. He's making his show about the Giants because they don't have much season left and we do. Don't lose sight of the fact that WFAN is the radio voice of the Giants. He probably has to cover them more just based on the sponsors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Fatcesca: Making excuses for Eli throwing the pick to Rontez Miles. "Eli and Randall are never on the same wavelength". ????? Wasn't it Randall who caught that over the shoulder bomb that destroyed the pats in SB? He's grasping at straws. Take responsibility. It was a bad call to go for it on 4th and 2. PERIOD. no, that was Mario Manningham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Right. Thanks. But Randle did catch a TD in the SB. no he didn't, he was drafted in 2012, giants won Super Bowl last in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Don't lose sight of the fact that WFAN is the radio voice of the Giants. He probably has to cover them more just based on the sponsors... Never worked that way with Francessa when the Jets were on the FAN. Or the Mets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 when the Giants were on our 4 yard line already up 10 in the 4th qtr the sh-t looked bleak When Coughlin passed on taking the three, I immediately ran out and donated $50 to my local church in his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 for the giants to get a td on 4th down, it would have won the game. they lined up and maybe you consider it if you think you got the jets defense on their heals. but after the timeout, i was literally SHOCKED that they went for it. easily breaks the top 100 in dumb coaching moves in the history of pro sports. getting a td there gives the giants 100% probability of a win. kicking a fg gives the giants about a 95% probability of a win. getting no points puts them at 50%. the risk/reward wasnt even close. its like taking your life savings and buying lottery tickets there's no way you can say it was 50/50 they would win up 10 at that point in the game. It wasn't the best move but it wasn't the as bad as people are making it out to be. if they kick the FG it changes our offense, maybe we score a Td instead of FG and beat them 24-23 in regulation rather than 23-20 in OT? The bottom line is they didn't execute down the stretch and Eli made 2 huge blunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 there's no way you can say it was 50/50 they would win up 10 at that point in the game. It wasn't the best move but it wasn't the as bad as people are making it out to be. if they kick the FG it changes our offense, maybe we score a Td instead of FG and beat them 24-23 in regulation rather than 23-20 in OT? The bottom line is they didn't execute down the stretch and Eli made 2 huge blunders. I wouldn't say Eli ma e a blunder on the pick. He was pressured and had to get rid of the ball regardless of how well the defense was covering. I do agree that if they kick the FG the circumstances change and it doesn't mean we don't score two td's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I wouldn't say Eli ma e a blunder on the pick. He was pressured and had to get rid of the ball regardless of how well the defense was covering. I do agree that if they kick the FG the circumstances change and it doesn't mean we don't score two td's. the WR stopped running, it very well could have been his fault but he threw it after he stopped as he was being pressured. if the ball is incomplete we get the ball at the 4 instead of the 14. That is a big difference. On their next drive needing one 1st down to end it he threw the ball away when being pressured on 3rd down for some asinine reason. He saved us a lot of time(or at the very least a timeout) on the TD tying drive at the end of regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 there's no way you can say it was 50/50 they would win up 10 at that point in the game. It wasn't the best move but it wasn't the as bad as people are making it out to be. if they kick the FG it changes our offense, maybe we score a Td instead of FG and beat them 24-23 in regulation rather than 23-20 in OT? The bottom line is they didn't execute down the stretch and Eli made 2 huge blunders. the decision to go for it on 4th down was down right retarded,imo. i guess we will agree to disagree on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 one thing that hasn't been mentioned in the analysis is that everyone assumes the giants wouldn't score again in the game and the jets would need 2 tds to win. but with the jets desperate they would obviously be throwing and the possibility existed for the giants to get more points via turnover or big play. the fg was the obvious choice since it forced the jets to score 2 tds and also meant a jet drive couldn't stall at the giant 38 and the jets could still pull within 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 the decision to go for it on 4th down was down right retarded,imo. i guess we will agree to disagree on this one I am not saying it wasn't a bad decision but you are making it out like it's the worst decision ever. they were still in complete control of the game, we outexecuted them down the stretch which likely would have happened had they kicked the FG or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 one thing that hasn't been mentioned in the analysis is that everyone assumes the giants wouldn't score again in the game and the jets would need 2 tds to win. but with the jets desperate they would obviously be throwing and the possibility existed for the giants to get more points via turnover or big play. the fg was the obvious choice since it forced the jets to score 2 tds and also meant a jet drive couldn't stall at the giant 38 and the jets could still pull within 7. we were still in desperation mode on the last 2 drives and we didn't turn it over. yes they should have kicked it but no that's not why we won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 we were still in desperation mode on the last 2 drives and we didn't turn it over. yes they should have kicked it but no that's not why we won the game. the jets won b/c they executed and the giants choked. but the giants were still in a position to score more points and could have put the game out of reach later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 the jets won b/c they executed and the giants choked. but the giants were still in a position to score more points and could have put the game out of reach later on. they had the same opportunity to do it at 20-13, all they really needed was a 1st down and they failed. Not only did they fail but Eli throwing the ball away saved us a boatload of time to go on that TD tying drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Never worked that way with Francessa when the Jets were on the FAN. Or the Mets Oh Mike was a Jet fan boy when his Saratoga Pony Pal Parcells was coaching Jets.. As soon as Parcells left Jets, Fat Mike was anti Jets with venom (he was ultimate band wagoner, became anti jet in 10 seconds, LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He has defended the 4th down play to the max..no wavering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He has defended the 4th down play to the max..no wavering he has to advertising wise and coupled with his Jet hatred is my guess why.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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