nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yes, most fans dont whine that we were a 10 win team only because of a weak schedule so its not all that impressive. As someone smart once said, you are what your schedule says you are. yep, most fans whine over making title games and having chances at SBs but support teams that miss the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yes, most fans dont whine that we were a 10 win team only because of a weak schedule so its not all that impressive. As someone smart once said, you are what your schedule says you are. Im not satisfied with 10 wins playing a easy schedule, thats the problem with fans accepting mediocrity. And the smart person who said that, won championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Next time, answer the questions sir. 1) top 5 in last 25 2) schedule not so easy. Middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 it's cold comfort but 10-6 is usually enough to go to the playoffs. 11-5 is usually enough to win a division. Not this division, but most of em. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Im not satisfied with 10 wins playing a easy schedule, thats the problem with fans accepting mediocrity. And the smart person who said that, won championships. What you need to be accepting of is the fact that the Pats are in the division and that Tom Brady is a first ballot HOF'er at the most important position in all of team sports. That and they still haven't stopped cheating. Ranting and raving about Fitz doesn't change these external factors, which make a championship unlikely even in the best of circumstance. Firing coaches or QBs or GMs doesn't change the situation in foxboro. The league has set this whole thing up as entertainment. They are the globetrotters and we are the generals. Don't forget that. It's not that the Generals need better players or coaches. It's not fair and we aren't supposed to win. by the way Rex going to Buffalo could haunt this franchise for years as well. He knows how to dominate Fitz and anyone else still on the roster when he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 yep, most fans whine over making title games and having chances at SBs but support teams that miss the playoffs. You mean like the clueless fool on another thread arguing that 2 SB wins by the Giants over the Pats arent as important as beating the Pats in their 1st playoff game of 2010? Yeah Mark Sanchez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 So we had a top 3 best team in terms of overall talent and the 2nd easiest schedule the past decade and we couldnt make the playoffs. 2nd easiest schedule in the past decade? What is that based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Im not satisfied with 10 wins playing a easy schedule, thats the problem with fans accepting mediocrity. And the smart person who said that, won championships. 10 wins isnt mediocrity. And not whining over and over again that 10 wins arent really 10 wins due to strength of schedule in no way says we're happy with 10 wins and didnt want 11 or more wins Perhaps thats your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1) top 5 in last 25 2) schedule not so easy. Middle of the pack. So there were 4 or 5 easier schedules that we played the past 10 years? Highly doubt that. Also, the Jets had 4 possible better teams in terms of overall talent the past 25 years? I will assume that the 1998 team is one of them. What are the other 3 teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 by the way Rex going to Buffalo could haunt this franchise for years as well. He knows how to dominate Fitz and anyone else still on the roster when he was here. If he doesn't make the play-offs next year, it'll be a brief haunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 yep, most fans whine over making title games and having chances at SBs but support teams that miss the playoffs. I expected this. Jets fans, being dumb as they are, boiled down this whole season and the staff and roster to one game, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE. Whining about the schedule....... You don't hear New England fans saying "Oh we had an easy schedule, so it doesn't count." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 You mean like the clueless fool on another thread arguing that 2 SB wins by the Giants over the Pats arent as important as beating the Pats in their 1st playoff game of 2010? Yeah Mark Sanchez! what is it like being an adult w/ a lack of basic reading comprehension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I expected this. Jets fans, being dumb as they are, boiled down this whole season and the staff and roster to one game, when the one game is a win and in/lose and out game it is magnified whether you want to acknowledge it or not. everything broke perfect for us, all we had to do was beat a mediocre/bad Bills team and we make it. we failed, the season was not a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 What you need to be accepting of is the fact that the Pats are in the division and that Tom Brady is a first ballot HOF'er at the most important position in all of team sports. That and they still haven't stopped cheating. Ranting and raving about Fitz doesn't change these external factors, which make a championship unlikely even in the best of circumstance. Firing coaches or QBs or GMs doesn't change the situation in foxboro. The league has set this whole thing up as entertainment. They are the globetrotters and we are the generals. Don't forget that. It's not that the Generals need better players or coaches. It's not fair and we aren't supposed to win. by the way Rex going to Buffalo could haunt this franchise for years as well. He knows how to dominate Fitz and anyone else still on the roster when he was here. I accept the fact that the Patriots are in this division and Tom Brady owns the league. You know what I dont accept? Getting swept by the Bills who didnt have HOF'er Tom Brady on the field. Now I have a skeptical eye as well, and will entertain a conspiracy especially if it has a plot spicy enough. But the last time I checked we split with the Pats this year ( and was 7 minutes away from sweeping them) and we only play them twice out of 16 games. The problem wasnt the HOF QB and cheating organization. The problem was losing to the Bills twice, losing the the Eagles, losing to the Texans, losing to Oakland. The Patriots werent the reason why we went 4-12 last year. The Pats werent the reason why we lost week 17. I never blow an opportunity to talk sh*t about the Pats, but seriously, this has nothing to do with them being in the same division. The jets need to win games against teams that they're better than. I believe that the Jets are better than the Bills, Raiders, Eagles, Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 when the one game is a win and in/lose and out game it is magnified whether you want to acknowledge it or not. everything broke perfect for us, all we had to do was beat a mediocre/bad Bills team and we make it. we failed, the season was not a success. But to boil down 15 weeks to 1 game is illogical, especially in a game where luck plays a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 But to boil down 15 weeks to 1 game is illogical, especially in a game where luck plays a great deal. I mean for gods sakes this was the 11th time in team history that the Jets have won 10 or more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 what is it like being an adult w/ a lack of basic reading comprehension? Says the clown who would be the logical choice to write the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 But to boil down 15 weeks to 1 game is illogical, especially in a game where luck plays a great deal. there was nothing lucky or unlucky about last week, we got whooped. this is a tough business, it's win or else. had they lost to NE and beat Buf and missed I think people would be much more understanding but to beat NE, have Pitt lose to Bal then blow it against an inferior team. it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Logical/illogical it doesn't matter. This season was not a success, 1997 when we blew it at Det missing the playoffs the last week was a success b/c we had a lot of young talent that was learning how to win and growing up after so many dark years. it hasn't been that long since we were good and most of the vets on our team have experienced postseason success. also, we don't have a ton of young players, we were an older team. we may not have a shot like this next year. I think the most important part is a win sunday buys time. now we could be better next year and not win as many, still miss the playoffs but then the fanbase and media are up in arms and the job [pressure starts to grow on Bowles/Mac. it was a frustrating ending to what was a very good season going into week 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I mean for gods sakes this was the 11th time in team history that the Jets have won 10 or more games. I could understand this if they won 12 games last year. BUT THEY WON 4 GAMES LAST YEAR! ******* Joe Beningo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I mean for gods sakes this was the 11th time in team history that the Jets have won 10 or more games. w/o the playoffs that is meaningless. no extra football, no playoff excitement, no guarantee of future success. Nothing, in 2-3 years if we have made deep postseason runs we'll look back as a success but today it's not b/c we have no idea if we will make the playoffs next year or the year after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 what is it like being an adult w/ a lack of basic reading comprehension? Attack the argument, not the poster, amiright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 it was the easiest schedule in the NFL, second to the panthers I believe. The jets also got lucky facing teams decimated by injuries over the last 6 games (tenn, NE, and buffalo) Plus there were no Jet injuries at all; Ivory nicked up and Powell out made a huge difference to our offense. Loosing Folk has hurt us in missed FGs. Loosing to the Bills and missing the playoffs wasn't enough, now we have to discount our wins too? How many teams that we beat would have had break-even/winning records if it wasn't for us? We beat the colts before Luck was out (did we knock him out do we get extra points for that?) Do colts go to playoffs if not for us? Tenn. only won 3 games this year, but yeah, the only reason we beat them is because they were hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 there was nothing lucky or unlucky about last week, we got whooped. this is a tough business, it's win or else. had they lost to NE and beat Buf and missed I think people would be much more understanding but to beat NE, have Pitt lose to Bal then blow it against an inferior team. it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Logical/illogical it doesn't matter. This season was not a success, 1997 when we blew it at Det missing the playoffs the last week was a success b/c we had a lot of young talent that was learning how to win and growing up after so many dark years. it hasn't been that long since we were good and most of the vets on our team have experienced postseason success. also, we don't have a ton of young players, we were an older team. we may not have a shot like this next year. I think the most important part is a win sunday buys time. now we could be better next year and not win as many, still miss the playoffs but then the fanbase and media are up in arms and the job [pressure starts to grow on Bowles/Mac. it was a frustrating ending to what was a very good season going into week 17. No one said it wasn't frustrating. You can have success and be frustrated. There is no black and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 w/o the playoffs that is meaningless. no extra football, no playoff excitement, no guarantee of future success. Nothing, in 2-3 years if we have made deep postseason runs we'll look back as a success but today it's not b/c we have no idea if we will make the playoffs next year or the year after. Exactly. The only thing those 10 wins meant was having the worst draft pick among not playoff teams! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 w/o the playoffs that is meaningless. no extra football, no playoff excitement, no guarantee of future success. Nothing, in 2-3 years if we have made deep postseason runs we'll look back as a success but today it's not b/c we have no idea if we will make the playoffs next year or the year after. Bullsh*t. No one could predict success in 1998 after 1997 either. Most people thought 2009 was a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Attack the argument, not the poster, amiright? I try, I really do. I can't keep getting attacked and not respond especially when it's so simple and the person just makes stuff up. for every time I attack someone I am attacked 10 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 w/o the playoffs that is meaningless. no extra football, no playoff excitement, no guarantee of future success. Nothing, in 2-3 years if we have made deep postseason runs we'll look back as a success but today it's not b/c we have no idea if we will make the playoffs next year or the year after. The playoff participant trophy is very nice, will give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 No one said it wasn't frustrating. You can have success and be frustrated. There is no black and white we are allowed to disagree. I just can't call it a success when everything broke perfectly and we missed the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 we are allowed to disagree. I just can't call it a success when everything broke perfectly and we missed the playoffs. If everything broke perfectly, we would have won the division If everything broke perfectly, the Steelers would have lost to Denver and we would be in anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The playoff participant trophy is very nice, will give you that. The Colts even had a nice banner after losing last year's AFC CG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Exactly. The only thing those 10 wins meant was having the worst draft pick among not playoff teams! lol. I don't even care about draft position, good organizations can find talent anywhere. Bullsh*t. No one could predict success in 1998 after 1997 either. we had the best coach in the game at turning franchises around, we KNEW better days were ahead. didn't know it would be 1998 that we made a big run but we knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don't even care about draft position, good organizations can find talent anywhere. True, but it does add insult to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don't even care about draft position, good organizations can find talent anywhere. we had the best coach in the game at turning franchises around, we KNEW better days were ahead. didn't know it would be 1998 that we made a big run but we knew. So if we go 8-8 and make the playoffs next year, would that be a success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 True, but it does add insult to injury. The difference between 16 and 20 is different than the difference between 1 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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