Jet_Engine1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Ivory wasnt the same back the 2nd half of the year. Always seemed to be nicked up as well. See what it would cost to get lamar miller in here and resign powell. That would be an excellent 1-2 punch. And then draft Zeke Elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 And then draft Zeke Elliott I saw a few, early obviously, mock drafts and they had him going to us in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Elliott in The first, leverage some of our obsolete dline into pick/trade for an impact edge rusher, BPA from there, see what Joe Thomas would cost.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't just "let" him walk. I offer him an appropriate contract for a 30+ year-old backup RB with a history of unreliability and injuries, + incentives for # of carries/yards. If he chooses a better option, best of luck to him (unless he signs in the AFC east, in which case screw him). I would take a similar tack with Fitz's contract offer as well, reasonable, heavy in incentives for production/reliability, and cap and team friendly, while being fair for a QB of his age and production last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This is a huge year for Big Mac! Jets have to be smart & do what smart teams do. Someone's gotta go on the Dline, and it's either Sheldon or Mo and believe it or not these 2 guys are our most tradeable. Why hold on and get nothing? Did we lead the league in sacks? Not even close. Did we get any game changing plays in our most important game last Sunday? Where were they in Houston or Oakland? You only need to look at the Rams to see that a great Dline means nothing if your not scoring points. We already have the youngster in Leo, we're keeping Shel or Mo, not both. We have 6 picks in the upcoming draft & have a lot of holes to fill. Get picks for Shel or Mo, pick BPA @ LB, OT or RB (only if you think STAR in our system). Theres always a veteran WR, a little long in the tooth but with a good 2/3 years with great hands that no one wants to pay big money too. That's our 3/4 WR with Enunwa, with Smith coming back to be the field stretcher again (full camp, knows Chans system). If I'm the Jets I'm going all out in FA for Bruce Irvin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 How many games did he play this year? Was he available Week 17? Leonard Williams > dime a dozen back. Go ahead and tell me which back available this year is a franchise changing back? I'll hang up and listen. Wow... you are on a roll these past few days. I hope you're not in charge of anything. Anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't know what the problem was with Ivory. When he ran he ran hard but maybe he pulled a hammy on that 58 yarder. I know Ridley and Stacy are goners and rightfully so. RB is a position the Jets can address in the draft and FA. If Ivory wants to be here he won't try to break the bank, if not let him walk. Jets need a speedy RB in the worst way and a stud OT to help get him some creases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We only have like $7 mil in cap room yet we're supposed to sign Wilk to a $80 million extension, give Fitz a $15 million extension and give Powell and Ivory pay days. And then resign snacks and sign all of our draft picks. It doesn't all count in the same year and when the numbers come out the salary cap will be increased. I will let Maccagnan and his staff worry about numbers and just root for the team he and Bowles put on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't know what the problem was with Ivory. When he ran he ran hard but maybe he pulled a hammy on that 58 yarder. I know Ridley and Stacy are goners and rightfully so. RB is a position the Jets can address in the draft and FA. If Ivory wants to be here he won't try to break the bank, if not let him walk. Jets need a speedy RB in the worst way and a stud OT to help get him some creases. if we all are here saying the jets need more lb speed, and improvement all over the offense, i'm sure mccags knows as well and for the first time in a long time i have faith the jets gm will spend wisely and bring in guys who address these needs. his philosophy is clear, he has stated numerous times that FA is to address needs and the draft is to add talent. FA will hopefully yield Ol improvement, more rb speed and perhaps a LB. the draft will be more interesting since we really don't know what position they'll take. they could take ragland and have a new defensive captain for the next decade, they could take an OT or a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Wow... you are on a roll these past few days. I hope you're not in charge of anything. Anywhere. Because you're the end all, be all when it comes to the NFL Draft? Which team do you work for again? It's just an opinion. No need to get your underoos in a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Because you're the end all, be all when it comes to the NFL Draft? Which team do you work for again? It's just an opinion. No need to get your underoos in a bunch. You're so incredibly dismissive and belligerent. Being wrong doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Why **** with the offense? It was finally good for the first time in forever. I'd love to be able to keep both Ivory and Powell at the right price. But I'm not so certain Ivory would be willing to build in his injury history to reduce his value. He'll want one more payday coming off his 1,000+ yard season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 You're so incredibly dismissive and belligerent. Being wrong doesn't help either. Opinions can't be wrong. But do you brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Opinions can't be wrong. #ThingsWrongPeopleSay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Let Ivory walk. He's too one dimensional and has too much of an injury history to warrant a big contract at this stage of his career. Running back is a position that should be drafted young, utilized while the body and legs are fresh, then let go before the inevitable downward spiral begins. A good mid round pick can/will replace Ivory's production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Ivory has not been reliable. His upside will be less high and his tendency towards unreliability will only get worse the more miles he has on him. Let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSage Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't know why people think he'll command such a high contract in FA. He is a physical, injury prone runner who turns 28 in March. If he gets over $5M per I'd be truly surprised. Even with another cap limit increase I think his sweet spot will be around $4-5M per with somewhere between $5-8M total guaranteed. The same reasons we wouldn't break the bank to re-sign him will exist for other teams thinking of bringing him in. They saw him whiff whiff and/or take a back seat to Powell multiple games this year) and have draft picks of their own to use on far cheaper, younger, faster, more (theoretically) versatile backs. You took the words out of my mouth-nothing more need be said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't just "let" him walk. I offer him an appropriate contract for a 30+ year-old backup RB with a history of unreliability and injuries, + incentives for # of carries/yards. If he chooses a better option, best of luck to him (unless he signs in the AFC east, in which case screw him). I would take a similar tack with Fitz's contract offer as well, reasonable, heavy in incentives for production/reliability, and cap and team friendly, while being fair for a QB of his age and production last year. I agree with your premise. You don't let him walk. You offer him a deal. He is a player that you want back if the price is right, but... Why would he take a deal that is appropriate for a 30+ year old backup? Besides the fact that he got 1,000 yards, the ******* guy was born March of 1988. I know running back is a young man's position, but that doesn't mean he ages in dog's years. He probably won't even be 30 when his next contract expires. He's only a few months older than Powell. Also, I think the days of the incentive laden contracts are over. They don't help fit much under the cap and there is too much coaches intervention and fantasy stats bullsh*t involved. I don't think they are workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 It depends on who we can sign or draft. I would like him back but he may be too high of a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 #ThingsWrongPeopleSay Why don't you debate my opinions and not me. Might work out better for everyone. All I stated was I'd rather have a disruptive force on the defensive line like Leonard Williams who is only 21 years old rather than an oft-injured running back who slowed down toward the end of the season at a position where you're as likely to find a guy in rounds 2-4 who can rush for 1,000 yards without much fanfare. Maybe Gurley turns out to be the next big thing. Except, you don't need the next big thing at RB to win a Super Bowl. That much is for certain. But a disruptive defense line that can sustain pressure? Yeah, that definitely helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I agree with your premise. You don't let him walk. You offer him a deal. He is a player that you want back if the price is right, but... Why would he take a deal that is appropriate for a 30+ year old backup? Besides the fact that he got 1,000 yards, the ******* guy was born March of 1988. I know running back is a young man's position, but that doesn't mean he ages in dog's years. He probably won't even be 30 when his next contract expires. He's only a few months older than Powell. Also, I think the days of the incentive laden contracts are over. They don't help fit much under the cap and there is too much coaches intervention and fantasy stats bullsh*t involved. I don't think they are workable. Yeah. That's all we need is Bowles feeling pressure to get extra carries for Ivory - either meaningless carries or calling plays he otherwise wouldn't call - so he can reach 1000 yards instead of finishing with 967, and getting injured in the process. Then if Bowles (Gailey) doesn't alter their plans to get him these yards, Ivory could (understandably) become a problem in the locker room, bitching about how he only needed ___ yards to get a 7-figure bonus. The reason they suck is you have to make the cutoff someplace for the all-or-none bonus trigger. Meanwhile there is no useful difference between a 1000 yard season and a 992 yard season, and the team and/or player can get harmed in pursuit of the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We need a LB who can get after the QB right off the bus Right off the bus? I'm talking about drafting a LB that will tackle Brady as soon as his name is called on the stage! But yeah, point taken! No more DL please, unless it's the BPA and we just traded Mo for a first n a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1000 yds a year means nothing, 14 game schedule yes, 16 game not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We only have like $7 mil in cap room yet we're supposed to sign Wilk to a $80 million extension, give Fitz a $15 million extension and give Powell and Ivory pay days. And then resign snacks and sign all of our draft picks. By no means are we in a situation like last year with cap space, but with the projected $10M rise in the cap, we will have room to maneuver. Jason has us at $136 so far. That gives us $16M of space with the cap at $152M. Cutting Cro (($8M) Kerley (1.3) Cumberland (1.9) and restructuring D'Brick would give us approx another $15M in space - or $31M to play with.. Of course, that's $31M without Fitz, Ivory, Powell, Colon (retiring?), Wilk, Snacks, Pace, and Davis. Not to mention having to replace Cro (unless they feel Skrine or Williams can be a full time starter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 By no means are we in a situation like last year with cap space, but with the projected $10M rise in the cap, we will have room to maneuver. Jason has us at $136 so far. That gives us $16M of space with the cap at $152M. Cutting Cro (($8M) Kerley (1.3) Cumberland (1.9) and restructuring D'Brick would give us approx another $15M in space - or $31M to play with.. Of course, that's $31M without Fitz, Ivory, Powell, Colon (retiring?), Wilk, Snacks, Pace, and Davis. Not to mention having to replace Cro (unless they feel Skrine or Williams can be a full time starter) NY is not allowed to spend another dime on our secondary. Make do with McDougle/Millner/Williams... If I'm Mac, that's what I'm telling Todd. Some of that moolah needs to go to our LBs... Pace and Davis are adios and we need at least 1 pass rush specialist. How much to extend Fitz, Mo, resign Powell and sign Irvin? What kind of shape are we in after that (estimating)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1000 yds a year means nothing, 14 game schedule yes, 16 game not so much Still means he got more than the other 3 stiffs/studs on our roster. It also means that he got more yards than all but 4 other players. I understand RBBC means you don't want to spend it all on one guy, but 1,000 yards does not rate backup money either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Maybe Gurley turns out to be the next big thing. Except, you don't need the next big thing at RB to win a Super Bowl. That much is for certain.But a disruptive defense line that can sustain pressure? Yeah, that definitely helps. As illustrated by our dominant playoff bound defensive line (or should I say "disruptive" line) featuring Mo Wilk, Coples, Richardson and Williams. Boy oh boy - they sure throttled the fck out of Taylor on Sunday, HEY good buddy? So disruptive they actually made Tyrod do a 360 back into comfortability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 By no means are we in a situation like last year with cap space, but with the projected $10M rise in the cap, we will have room to maneuver. Jason has us at $136 so far. That gives us $16M of space with the cap at $152M. Cutting Cro (($8M) Kerley (1.3) Cumberland (1.9) and restructuring D'Brick would give us approx another $15M in space - or $31M to play with.. Of course, that's $31M without Fitz, Ivory, Powell, Colon (retiring?), Wilk, Snacks, Pace, and Davis. Not to mention having to replace Cro (unless they feel Skrine or Williams can be a full time starter) even if we have $16 mil in cap room it's still not enough to do everything everyone wants. Wilk at the very least has to be franchised so there goes $15 mil. Even if he we give him a 5 year deal his number next season is still about $12 mil. Need $5 mil for the draft picks and we would be retarded not to resign Snacks too. The easiest solution is let Ivory and Powell both walk and draft cheaper, faster and younger replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Right off the bus? I'm talking about drafting a LB that will tackle Brady as soon as his name is called on the stage! But yeah, point taken! No more DL please, unless it's the BPA and we just traded Mo for a first n a 3rd. We have plenty of DL players, most who are pretty damn good. Give me a crazed animal beast of a LB over a crazed DL anytime. They do a lot more damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 As illustrated by our dominant playoff bound defensive line (or should I say "disruptive" line) featuring Mo Wilk, Coples, Richardson and Williams. Boy oh boy - they sure throttled the fck out of Taylor on Sunday, HEY good buddy? So disruptive they actually made Tyrod do a 360 back into comfortability. At least they all played in week 17. Running back is the most easily replace in the NFL. Seven 1,000 yard rushers and only one made the playoffs, who just so happens to be a transcendent talent, which Gurley and anyone in the 2016 draft is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 At least they all played in week 17. Running back is the most easily replace in the NFL. Seven 1,000 yard rushers and only one made the playoffs, who just so happens to be a transcendent talent, which Gurley and anyone in the 2016 draft is not. the jets offense was best when they were rotating in powell and ivory. i hope they keep powell and then go out and get 2 other backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Might as well let Ivory walk Bowles wont let him run. Still puzzled by that decision from Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I agree with your premise. You don't let him walk. You offer him a deal. He is a player that you want back if the price is right, but... Why would he take a deal that is appropriate for a 30+ year old backup? Besides the fact that he got 1,000 yards, the ******* guy was born March of 1988. I know running back is a young man's position, but that doesn't mean he ages in dog's years. He probably won't even be 30 when his next contract expires. He's only a few months older than Powell. Also, I think the days of the incentive laden contracts are over. They don't help fit much under the cap and there is too much coaches intervention and fantasy stats bullsh*t involved. I don't think they are workable. He's also a bit different in that he wasn't a starting running back for the first 3 years. He only had 256 carries before he became a Jet, and still only has 883 for his career. If he can be brought back on a fair 3 year deal, I'd be all for it. Then you let him and Powell split some carries, and hopefully draft a speed running back to take the load off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 At least they all played in week 17. Running back is the most easily replace in the NFL. Seven 1,000 yard rushers and only one made the playoffs, who just so happens to be a transcendent talent, which Gurley and anyone in the 2016 draft is not. I don't disagree with your general philosophy on drafting RBs early... But you keep making it seem like Gurley is some jag. The guy's a freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Might as well let Ivory walk Bowles wont let him run. Still puzzled by that decision from Sunday. Limited in practice all week. Banged up all year. Couldn't take that wide open run to the house, resulted in a missed FG. What more do you need to not be puzzled? He wasn't healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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