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Not sure why people are content with the Wilpons pissing on their heads and convincing them it's rain, just because they had an improbable WS run last year.  Their system isn't exactly rife with elite bats, so we'll get to watch the offense flounder while their cost-controlled SP's carry the team (and hope the understaffed pen doesn't blow too many games).  That is, until those pitchers hit FA and either become their highest-paid players (thereby eliminating any chance of signing a decent bat), or are let go, because they're simply "too expensive" to keep (which will be the case with Harvey).

Regardless, this will be business as usual for the majority of my life, as their debt payments run into 2045.  It's a shame, because Citi Field is a great place to catch a game, but I refuse to give the Wilpons my money, only to have them use it to service their debt instead of increasing payroll.  At the risk of sounding like a drama queen, they've essentially ruined baseball for me for the rest of my life.  Thank goodness for the Jets, Knicks, and Islanders for being such highly successful franchises for me to root for....

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They're depending on great and at this time inexpensive pitching to get them through at least until August. While most competitive orgs are building a team for the entire season. It's a good plan only if you're an org with no money,  Or who doesn't want to spend any. Again this is NYC not the boondocks. 

 

The problem obviously being that they don't have an endless supply of Fullmer-like prospects sitting in the minors, ready to be traded for the next Cespedes.  Regardless, the folly of  expecting to hit the jackpot and get similar results to what Cespedes did last year (rivaling Manny Ramirez's LA run as best performance by a trade-deadline addition) would fit this team's MO.

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Cespedes is still a free agent last I checked.  Where's all the teams scrambling for him to lead them to a title?  And Justin Upton, Dexter Fowler and Gerardo Parra for that matter? 

It's not a folly to anticipate that we might move a pitcher for a top hitter at the trade deadline.  We have the best overall starting pitching in baseball, and that never goes out of style.  Making a deal for someone like a Joey Votto or a quality CF is not only possible, it seems likely.  Given that we will one day need to part ways with at least 2 of these arms down the road anyways due to cost (and that would be the case even if our payroll ceiling was more like $175M), it makes sense to move an arm at peak value.

I get that we should be pissed about how the Wilpons are capping our spending.  But I don't see any of our complaints leading to anything.  So it's kind of a waste of time.  Alderson has earned the benefit of the doubt and has done a lot with limited payroll.  There's little reason to think he cannot continue to do that, and that the Mets will be unable to win a title until the debt is paid off in 2045.  That kind of mentality just isn't one that makes sense to me coming off a pennant-winning season we never thought possible as recently as July 2015.

Savvy teams will end up waiting and getting the guys you mentioned for under market value... and the Mets still won't be in on them then. 

And yes, the Mets, who were out the instant they heard Darren O'Day wanted $8m per (the going rate for top-end setup men) and settled on 1-yr of De Aza at 5.5m instead of pursuing a much better fit for the leadoff/CF hole in Span (who cost a whopping $31m over 3 years), are going to pay Joey Votto $25m/year until he's 40 years old.  Bringing a guy with known anxiety issues to NY and making him your highest paid player seems like a great plan, after all.  What "quality CF" are they going to get and what's it going to cost them?

 

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I have no idea if what they're doing is alright. Neither do you. We're 4 months away from a pitch being thrown.

They failed to improve their bullpen and their opening day lineup looks worse than the one that started the playoffs.  If I were a betting man, I think I'd have to plunk my money down on "not a good offseason".

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It amazes me how an improbable WS run has made everyone ignore the fact that we have the worst owners in sports, whose greed and stupidity is going to waste the best cost-controlled starting pitching in the FA era of baseball.  I guess if we pretend the team is heading in the right direction, it will magically happen.

 

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We know Wilpon sucks.  No one disputes this.  Sorry I don't have the list of teams who are going to be bad enough to want to trade away a quality CF right now.  After all, its January. 

I threw Votto out there because I think he's got a couple years left as an effective guy in the middle of the lineup (similar to a Paul Konerko ) and I feel like dealing Duda and an arm to upgrade at 1B and/or CF is a possibility.  But far too many things have yet to happen for me to have an idea of what we'll do at the trade deadline.  I just think its silly to say a deal won't happen because you think it can't possibly happen 2 years in a row.  Of course it can.  Because we have the arms to make it happen basically any time we feel like it and enough arms to unload.  Pretty much no other team in the majors is in that position.

Votto's contract is horrible and the Mets wouldn't touch him unless the Reds are picking up half of what's left.  He also has a full NTC and is apparently not a fan of big cities.  I'd bet my $8 billion that he will not be a Met.

Which of the SP's are you going to trade and what would you consider to be reasonable return for a cost-controlled, top-end SP?  Save for Wheeler (who would be kind of foolish to sell low on), our other SP's would probably not yield enough in return right now to justify trading them this year.  Harvey is the "eldest" of the bunch and he's not a FA until 2019.

Outside of a Harvey-for-Mookie Betts swap, I can't think of any scenarios that make sense for the Mets to move one of their top-4 SP's.

 

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Murphy's outlier performance in the NLDS and NLCS is clouding Ranger9's judgement as much as the Mets improbable WS run has JF80 and RJF convinced that they have a reasonable chance of returning with an offseason that is, thus far, a net negative compared to what they ended the season with.

Murphy is no bueno.

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Just let me hold on to my Stanton dream for another year or two. Don't take that away from me you heartless jackal.

One of the few guys out there that makes sense, but it means you'd have to play Granderson in CF in 2017.

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You're way off. Go back to the '15 thread, I called all of this months ago.

Your expectations coming true has nothing to due with your misguided optimism.

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Oy vey with you today.

Sorry, somebody needs to temper the overly-optimistic bullsh*t being spewed in here.

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Pretty clear I was responding to a small point he made which was incorrect. Trying to be cynically informative by extrapolating that is kind of pointless considering we're all capable of looking up basic numbers in a few seconds.

I would contend that the speed in which I can search readily-available statistics is as least two standard deviations above the norm.

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These first 2 pages of the 2016 thread are pathetic.  B*tching about a team that won a pennant about 85 days ago and infighting about it.  We're doing adb a disservice right now. 

The Mets have a finite window to capitalize on the fact that they're paying their top 4 starters only marginally more money (~$6.5m total, which includes projected arb number for Harvey) than they owe Carlos Beltran, Bobby Bonilla, and Bret Saberhagen this year ($5.1m), and they're blowing it.

This is the best opportunity they will have to significantly improve the team before having to pay their aces and they're wasting it.  That is what's truly pathetic.

I would even quibble with the way they spent the little money they did this offseason.  I'd rather have spent 4/$32m on O'Day than 2/$16.5m on Cabrera and would've gladly cashed in De Aza's $5.5m and Colon's $7.25 for 3 years of Span at ~$11m per and send out someone else as a 5th starter until Wheeler is ready.  They gave Lagares 5/$23m and were ready to overpay Ben Zobrist until he could get his AARP card, but heaven forbid they give out any other contracts that exceed 2 years.

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It's almost as if people shouldn't have kneejerk reactions about a team's offseason until the offseason is actually over.  So weird.

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I am honestly shocked that they were willing to overpay in the short-term to land Cespedes.  Kudos to the Mets.  

 

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