JustInFudge Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Official Vote Count: Crusher (1) - AVM CTM (2) - Crushlove, Ape AVM (2) - Leelou, Hess LK (1) - Spoot Ape (3) - 80, CTM, LK Hess (1) - Pac Leelou (1) - Smash With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Is there any evidence to suggest Brett KNEW he could get converted to town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 why? tell me what stinks? Jif is daredevil (a good guy) and listed as a 3rd party vig, (no sk) do you honestly believe that role that converts him to town is unlikely? the way it came out seemed off. The timing, the explanation and hesitation to give the role name etc. plus the roles actual name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 vote Leelou So would you like to actually give us some reads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 i just proved it moron No you didn't. You're really saying that you didn't spend the early part of today saying Brett was scum hunting and his "best play" would be to hunt scum, and using that as fuel for coming after me???? Really??? That's why I've been saying he didn't come after me, I went after him, and that he only voted me when he needed to survive. The entire premise of me talking about this, is rooted in rebutting your logic. Now you're disowning it. I guess you're disowning the sentiment that you wouldn't fight dying... you said something like that too, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 as an aside.. this board sucks, I keep getting stuck with a quote from earlier and it's taking too long to respond cause i have to clear it each time.. If it doesn't' get fixed soon , who is up to move to a new forum? -=-==== that being said, there seems to be some confusion around what i mean when I say Brett was scum hunting. I am not talking about his content or his execution, I am referring to the simple fact that as a third party 1) he doesn't know who scum is 2) he needs all scum or all but 1 scum to be dead in order to win the game. Therefore the correct third party strategy on days is to function like a town and scum hunt. Period. There really is no question otherwise, they have more or less the same information as town and are basically vigs with a different alignment. Verbal was town and was theoretically scum hunting, the fact that he didn't actual do it doesn't change the fact that it was his goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Is there any evidence to suggest Brett KNEW he could get converted to town? brett did not know, i asked the mod that as my first question. Brett didn't know I existed per the mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 As day broke, the world seemed like a better place. Maybe. An uncontrollable violent vigilante was removed from the streets. But there are mixed feelings in Hell's Kitchen about the Daredevil. Was he good, was he bad? Could we have saved his soul? Sure, he was taking crime fighting into his own hands but didnt you feel safer with him around? After all, he was removing thugs off the streets. Unfortunately, the world will never know. Even more unfortunate, one of the few who believed in the Daredevil was found dead in his Law Office, with a trail that might have led to Kingpin. Verbal - Foggy Nelson - Town Cop - has been murdered Check out this scene above. Particularly this line: "But there are mixed feelings in Hell's Kitchen about the Daredevil. Was he good, was he bad? Could we have saved his soul? Sure, he was taking crime fighting into his own hands but didnt you feel safer with him around? " Maybe Brett didn't know he could be changed to town. But this scene suggests truth to CTM's claim. I originally bought it because it seemed too clever to simply make up out of thin air. This scene helps confirm the validity. True, CTM made his claim AFTER this scene, but he didn't make any reference to it, nor did anyone else until now. Yep, I won't be voting CTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 No you didn't. You're really saying that you didn't spend the early part of today saying Brett was scum hunting and his "best play" would be to hunt scum, and using that as fuel for coming after me???? Really??? Dude, i said multiple times I didn't even read brett's case on you adn that I am voting you because you are hitting your tells and failing some reaction tests. To suggest otehrwise is a complete misrepresentation of the truth. Further, I don't understand in what world I'd be resting my case on Brett's opinion of you as if he had some particulary compelling insight. it's absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Check out this scene above. Particularly this line: "But there are mixed feelings in Hell's Kitchen about the Daredevil. Was he good, was he bad? Could we have saved his soul? Sure, he was taking crime fighting into his own hands but didnt you feel safer with him around? " Maybe Brett didn't know he could be changed to town. But this scene suggests truth to CTM's claim. I originally bought it because it seemed too clever to simply make up out of thin air. This scene helps confirm the validity. Yep, I won't be voting CTM. Great find! There is the mod confirming what I already hinted at when I said damnit Brett post death scene If you are scum this game finding this snippet and bumping was a ballsy/masterful move, but I'm inclined to believe you are town (as I already did anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 AVm, Pac, Smash seem bad i really like Leelou for town, 80 too, CTM too last few pages, ape town leaning for me, crusher yeah town leaning somewhat, spoot is town, I'm probably town edit and Lk prob town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I think we just figured the entire game out. Avm, Pac and Smash. fin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Still liking Ape for scum. I think Brett played the numbers game and decided to actively scumhunt. With only 13 players and being a 3rd party Vig, he likely assumed scum was roled up pretty good and/or had good numbers. My secondary reads are more difficult right now. I still don't see the case on AVM, but again, it's probably because I'm too trusting of him. No longer as willing to vote Crusher; he's entered neutral territory for me. Still leaning scum for Pac, and with how much he's tunneling the Ape right now, Ape's death could prove informative on Pac's alignment. Not at all willing to vote CTM or Spoot. Everyone else is basically neutral right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Still liking Ape for scum. I think Brett played the numbers game and decided to actively scumhunt. With only 13 players and being a 3rd party Vig, he likely assumed scum was roled up pretty good and/or had good numbers. My secondary reads are more difficult right now. I still don't see the case on AVM, but again, it's probably because I'm too trusting of him. No longer as willing to vote Crusher. Still like Pac for scum. Not at all willing to vote CTM or Spoot. Everyone else is basically neutral right now. I'm still open to ape as scum and could go there if the people im trusting most all think it. But gun to head I'd go town. He pinged in my skimming but defended townish to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'm still open to ape as scum and could go there if the people im trusting most all think it. But gun to head I'd go town. He pinged in my skimming but defended townish to me. If Ape flips town, in your mind, does that make Pac more or less likely to be scum? Or does it make no difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If Ape flips town, in your mind, does that make Pac more or less likely to be scum? Or does it make no difference? it would make pac more likely scum to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 WTF is going on? And you thought I was all over the place....looks like this game needs a new kind of hero... You've all become pretty awful. CTM pied pipered you all right into a bad decision. Like usual. Brett wasn't scum hunting, he was death hunting. He only OMGUS voted me. My original case on Brett was that he was running a play to get Pac lynched, to save Leelou. Meaning that Brett and Leelou would be linked in that scenario. My theory was wrong, but my logic was right. He wasn't pushing a town agenda. If I were scum, and figured out that Brett was 3rd party, which scum would figure out before town... then I'd leave him alive, let him shoot into the crowd. The math favors him shooting townies, and the best play for SK is to shoot town first. This is basic game logic. I leave Brett alone early and I'm not in jeopardy at all. Like I said, he didn't actually start saying he thought I was scum, until he had to to stay alive. Nobody applies logic anymore. It's sad. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've continued to be pretty Awesome... unvote vote CTM ....what? Spoot - digging into the game and getting his feet wet. So far, no bad feelings or that he has any dirty agenda. Smash - out of character for D1, hasn't shown any reads or progression, besides his incorrect read on me. I was thinking he was town for his conviction, but now I'm starting to waiver on that. I see that he dropped a vote on me, I'd like to see some other reads from him now that we have a couple flips. If I don't see anything from him soon, he's going to be moving down a lot on my list. Ballin Hess - of the LoC members, I'm least weary of him. Not enough content yet to get a complete read on him though. Ape - All over the place, and I know he has a way of fooling me when he's scum, but I'm not seeing the scum agenda from him yet. Crushlove - I'm liking his participation more. He's stepping it up from D1. D1 felt more like a scum Crusher hanging back. D2 Crusher is going back through the thread and putting himself out there. Pac - Mostly leaning town. I'm always weary of Pac though. CTM - for the moment, I'm okay with his reveal Lizzie - Meh. I really wish he would step back and read the thread more than spewing so many repetitive questions. One part of my brain is saying that he's town and the other is saying he's scum. It's very conflicted. 80 - 80 isn't as carefree as normal, his posts feel a bit reserved, cautious. Scummy vibe. AVM - Something is off about AVM's posts and over the defensiveness over one to 2 votes at a time isn't sitting right with me. Scummy vibe. Verb - town cop, died N1 StraightCash - solo vig, lynched D1 unvote, vote AVM Oh ffs... You want me to OMGUS vote you, don't you? You realize when I got defensive, Ape wasn't even voting me yet? Or are you talking about Crush today? Because that sure as hell wasn't defensive lol. Since everyone is saying that everyone else is playing terribly....YOU'RE PLAYING TERRIBLY LEELOU OMG WHY (<3 you mean it) unvote vote Leelou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 AVm, Pac, Smash seem bad i really like Leelou for town, 80 too, CTM too last few pages, ape town leaning for me, crusher yeah town leaning somewhat, spoot is town, I'm probably town edit and Lk prob town Hey. I think we just figured the entire game out. Avm, Pac and Smash. fin. Hey you. Still liking Ape for scum. I think Brett played the numbers game and decided to actively scumhunt. With only 13 players and being a 3rd party Vig, he likely assumed scum was roled up pretty good and/or had good numbers. My secondary reads are more difficult right now. I still don't see the case on AVM, but again, it's probably because I'm too trusting of him. No longer as willing to vote Crusher; he's entered neutral territory for me. Still leaning scum for Pac, and with how much he's tunneling the Ape right now, Ape's death could prove informative on Pac's alignment. Not at all willing to vote CTM or Spoot. Everyone else is basically neutral right now. Oh and you too... Vote Leelou. She is teh scums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 unvote vote AVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 WTF is going on? And you thought I was all over the place....looks like this game needs a new kind of hero... I can't speak for anyone else, but I've continued to be pretty Awesome... ....what? Oh ffs... You want me to OMGUS vote you, don't you? You realize when I got defensive, Ape wasn't even voting me yet? Or are you talking about Crush today? Because that sure as hell wasn't defensive lol. Since everyone is saying that everyone else is playing terribly....YOU'RE PLAYING TERRIBLY LEELOU OMG WHY (<3 you mean it) unvote vote Leelou Not really helping your case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 *backs out of character momentarily* I seriously don't know wtf to make of Crush's play. Insanely erratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not really helping your case here. Yeah. You're scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Yeah. You're scum. No. I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'd love to see specific quotes of me "freaking out" over votes -- there's this notion that I freaked out over pressure because I went at Ape for his stupid "you can't have town leans this early" bullsh*t and Leelou for mentioning Verb as another person that was laying low with no activity. Strange how Verb turned up dead when of all the people laying low, she named him. Don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 No. I'm not. Well I'm not scum, so why are you voting me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 *backs out of character momentarily* I seriously don't know wtf to make of Crush's play. Insanely erratic. Hmmmm, seems sincere. Unvote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'd love to see specific quotes of me "freaking out" over votes -- there's this notion that I freaked out over pressure because I went at Ape for his stupid "you can't have town leans this early" bullsh*t and Leelou for mentioning Verb as another person that was laying low with no activity. Strange how Verb turned up dead when of all the people laying low, she named him. Don't ya think? this post pings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 WTF is going on? And you thought I was all over the place....looks like this game needs a new kind of hero... I can't speak for anyone else, but I've continued to be pretty Awesome... ....what? Oh ffs... You want me to OMGUS vote you, don't you? You realize when I got defensive, Ape wasn't even voting me yet? Or are you talking about Crush today? Because that sure as hell wasn't defensive lol. Since everyone is saying that everyone else is playing terribly....YOU'RE PLAYING TERRIBLY LEELOU OMG WHY (<3 you mean it) unvote vote Leelou what you mean what? I hated ctms reveal. He made a math mistake. CTM is a mah geek. But 80 showed us the write up and CTM role, as dumb as big whisperer does make sense. Plus scum hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'd love to see specific quotes of me "freaking out" over votes -- there's this notion that I freaked out over pressure because I went at Ape for his stupid "you can't have town leans this early" bullsh*t and Leelou for mentioning Verb as another person that was laying low with no activity. Strange how Verb turned up dead when of all the people laying low, she named him. Don't ya think? This. Right here, is also an example of you overreacting to votes. It's not really townie. And I've been waiting for someone to throw suspicion for Verbal's death on me. Ping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 You're breaking my heart AVM. If you are town, show me. Otherwise, why so scummy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 what you mean what? I hated ctms reveal. He made a math mistake. CTM is a mah geek. But 80 showed us the write up and CTM role, as dumb as big whisperer does make sense. Plus scum hunting. there was no math mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 This. Right here, is also an example of you overreacting to votes. It's not really townie. And I've been waiting for someone to throw suspicion for Verbal's death on me. Ping. yeah that's what I was referring to not sure I love you saying you've been waiting for someone to mention it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 yeah that's what I was referring to not sure I love you saying you've been waiting for someone to mention it Because it's showing me who is scum and trying to throw dirt on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 This. Right here, is also an example of you overreacting to votes. It's not really townie. And I've been waiting for someone to throw suspicion for Verbal's death on me. Ping. Minute Verb died I thought, "How they hell they know he was cop?" Then I thought 80 and Leelou. Why wouldn't I or anyone else for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 there was no math mistake? Please. Im accepting your goofy reveal for now. Doin't push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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