Have Jets, Maccagnan, Tipped Hand in Wilkerson Negotiations?

[JetNation]

By Glenn Naughton   While Jets General Manager Mike Maccagnan is poised for what promises to be another active off-season, Gang Green fans won’t see the same number of splashy moves the GM made in his inaugural season which netted starters Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, Marcus Gilchrist and James Carpenter to name a […]

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[LIJetsFan]

Interesting article and I've been thinking along the same lines recently.  Mo's agent obviously knows more about our cap situation then we (the typical message board fan) do.  He knew better in 2015 and he know's better now.  So the chance for Mo to get his dream contract with us was last year when we had the cap space.  Since that didn't happen, Mo obviously wasn't committed to being a life time Jet.  So since he's not, then why should we, we Jets fans, be?  I say, bye Mo and thanks for the 2017 comp pick.  

[NYJ37/12]

Interesting article and I've been thinking along the same lines recently.  Mo's agent obviously knows more about our cap situation then we (the typical message board fan) do.  He knew better in 2015 and he know's better now.  So the chance for Mo to get his dream contract with us was last year when we had the cap space.  Since that didn't happen, Mo obviously wasn't committed to being a life time Jet.  So since he's not, then why should we, we Jets fans, be?  I say, bye Mo and thanks for the 2017 comp pick.  

You're willing to let him just walk out the door for a 3rd round pick next year? The Jets will either work out a long term deal or they will tag him. I'm sure they will listen to offers for THIS years draft. The offers need to start with THIS years 1 and then some.

[Jetsfan80]

Tag and trade.  We need to be able to get enough compensation in a trade to make a push for a QB, so if it has to be a 2017 first rounder in the deal rather than this year's draft, that's fine. 

[LIJetsFan]

If we tag (16m) and can't find a trade partner then what?  Cap hell is what.

[whodeawhodat]

Yeah, I think Mac knows he is fairly new to the jets fans and Mo has been a fixture for us fans.  Bracing us for when he signs and trades Mo....

[FidelioJet]

Interesting article.  I think it's a bit of reach though.  I think most often things are what they most seem to be...

Mo wanted more money than the Jets were willing to pay so they kept him another year as cheaply as they can and will now make a decision on what to do with him.  

[pdxgreen]

I will miss Mo.  With all our talent on the DL, it would have been fun to see the potential.  But it's a luxury we don't have.  If we get a 1st and a 3rd for him, I hope they pick up a pass rusher.  Watching Denver last night made me realize we REALLLY REALLLY REALLLY need a pass rusher!

[whodeawhodat]

I will miss Mo.  With all our talent on the DL, it would have been fun to see the potential.  But it's a luxury we don't have.  If we get a 1st and a 3rd for him, I hope they pick up a pass rusher.  Watching Denver last night made me realize we REALLLY REALLLY REALLLY need a pass rusher!

was pretty wild seeing thier 2 pass rushing specialists get to him on nearly every passing play

[pdxgreen]

was pretty wild seeing thier 2 pass rushing specialists get to him on nearly every passing play

Yeah.  I gotta find out who the best edge rushers are in CFB.   I haven't been paying attention to the draft prospects.

[Beerfish]

You do everything in your power to keep your best players.  Richardson is a big fat ?  Both discipline wise and play wise.   Of course you listen to any and all trade offers but I would tag Wilkerson and then attempt to sing him long term.

[NYJ37/12]

If we tag (16m) and can't find a trade partner then what?  Cap hell is what.

They will have about 30 mill once they cut and rework some old deals. You keep Mo for one more year if you cannot trade him.

[Lupz27]

You do everything in your power to keep your best players.  Richardson is a big fat ?  Both discipline wise and play wise.   Of course you listen to any and all trade offers but I would tag Wilkerson and then attempt to sing him long term.

Richardson is the best player on the DL on the field, and it's not even close.  The other sh*t is what you gotta figure out with him.

[Lupz27]

They will have about 30 mill once they cut and rework some old deals. You keep Mo for one more year if you cannot trade him.

If it's me I franchise Mo, sign snacks, and keep that group together for 1 more year, go all in on fixing the LB position which in essence makes the Jets all in next year for a SB, or bust run, after that it could be 2 years before the team gets back to a position they are in this offseason to go all in that is like Denver just did the past 2 years on D.  Jets offense is about as good as the Broncos offense is right now, so it's basically get the speed at LB to get to the QB on D while keeping the Dline in tact, and push all in I think.

[Beerfish]

Richardson is the best player on the DL on the field, and it's not even close.  The other sh*t is what you gotta figure out with him.

No, flat out 100% totally wrong.  Richardson was great in his rookie year, looked as if he was going to be a super dominant guy.  Had a very mediocre year two after coking back.  Mo wilk was FAR better and FAR more impactful than Richardson and the raw rookie was not that far off.

[UnitedWhofans]

No, flat out 100% totally wrong.  Richardson was great in his rookie year, looked as if he was going to be a super dominant guy.  Had a very mediocre year two after coking back.  Mo wilk was FAR better and FAR more impactful than Richardson and the raw rookie was not that far off.

Wasnt he named to the Pro Bowl his second year? From the start as well, not as a replacement.

The stats also disagree with you. 3.5 sacks his rookie year. 8 sacks in his second and 5 sacks in his 3rd (in 11 games)

[Lupz27]

No, flat out 100% totally wrong.  Richardson was great in his rookie year, looked as if he was going to be a super dominant guy.  Had a very mediocre year two after coking back.  Mo wilk was FAR better and FAR more impactful than Richardson and the raw rookie was not that far off.

You don't know what you were watching, Richardson had to play OLB because nobody else could sniff the QB from that spot on the team, and he missed 4 weeks of practice and games due to suspension (yes his fault), Richardson is the superior talent between the 2, and it's not even close on the field.

[Beerfish]

You don't know what you were watching, Richardson had to play OLB because nobody else could sniff the QB from that spot on the team, and he missed 4 weeks of practice and games due to suspension (yes his fault), Richardson is the superior talent between the 2, and it's not even close on the field.

He got 5 sacks, why was he at olb?  You play your best guys in their best position.  Not sure what you were looking at.  Just the eye test showed that Wilkerson created more havoc and was more noticeable.  Hey Richardson has the 'potential' to be the way you see him now but he is not there yet.

[Lupz27]

He got 5 sacks, why was he at olb?  You play your best guys in their best position.  Not sure what you were looking at.  Just the eye test showed that Wilkerson created more havoc and was more noticeable.  Hey Richardson has the 'potential' to be the way you see him now but he is not there yet.

If you read my post it explains why he was at OLB, and no that's not his best position.

[Jet Nut]

Interesting article and I've been thinking along the same lines recently.  Mo's agent obviously knows more about our cap situation then we (the typical message board fan) do.  He knew better in 2015 and he know's better now.  So the chance for Mo to get his dream contract with us was last year when we had the cap space.  Since that didn't happen, Mo obviously wasn't committed to being a life time Jet.  So since he's not, then why should we, we Jets fans, be?  I say, bye Mo and thanks for the 2017 comp pick.  

So you're saying that when they didn't sign Mo when they had the cap room, when they let that chance go by and Mo realized the Jets didn't want him Mo became uncommitted to being a Jet for life?  So fu(k him, lets dump him? 

Your boss/company won't pay you.  Do stay loyal to them beyond just doing your job?   Oh yeah and go out and have your best year? 

[NYJ37/12]

If it's me I franchise Mo, sign snacks, and keep that group together for 1 more year, go all in on fixing the LB position which in essence makes the Jets all in next year for a SB, or bust run, after that it could be 2 years before the team gets back to a position they are in this offseason to go all in that is like Denver just did the past 2 years on D.  Jets offense is about as good as the Broncos offense is right now, so it's basically get the speed at LB to get to the QB on D while keeping the Dline in tact, and push all in I think.

I would agree. Hopefully they draft well this year so that the transition to the younger talent is smooth

[LIJetsFan]

It's a business.  Both parties make the best business decisions, as they see it.  Mo HAD to know we couldn't afford him this year.  What is so hard to believe?  In my mind the decision for Mo to move on was made last year, by both parties, when a deal wasn't struck.  

[AFJF]

He got 5 sacks, why was he at olb?  You play your best guys in their best position.  Not sure what you were looking at.  Just the eye test showed that Wilkerson created more havoc and was more noticeable.  Hey Richardson has the 'potential' to be the way you see him now but he is not there yet.

Not necessarily the case when you have too many guys for the spots available IMO.  It's the fact that Richardson can do more that he was moved to OLB.  He wasn't great in that role, but no way Mo or Leo could have been any better.  Bowles was pretty clear in saying Sheldon is a guy he can put in multiple spots because of what he brings to the table.

[jack48]

was pretty wild seeing thier 2 pass rushing specialists get to him on nearly every passing play

watching Denver reminded me how mediocre our rush was

[Integrity28]

You're willing to let him just walk out the door for a 3rd round pick next year? The Jets will either work out a long term deal or they will tag him. I'm sure they will listen to offers for THIS years draft. The offers need to start with THIS years 1 and then some.

This.

[Savage69]

Not necessarily the case when you have too many guys for the spots available IMO.  It's the fact that Richardson can do more that he was moved to OLB.  He wasn't great in that role, but no way Mo or Leo could have been any better.  Bowles was pretty clear in saying Sheldon is a guy he can put in multiple spots because of what he brings to the table.

True Bowles said he was the most versatile Line man on the team.. I still think if Mo would have signed for what comparable players did he would have got a contract.. 

[BroadwayJoe12]

Lol at letting one of your three best players walk for a third round draft pick. Oh, and he's not even 27 years old. That's definitely the blueprint for success.  

[AFJF]

True Bowles said he was the most versatile Line man on the team.. I still think if Mo would have signed for what comparable players did he would have got a contract.. 

Possible, but we'll never know.

[RutgersJetFan]

Lol at letting one of your three best players walk for a third round draft pick. Oh, and he's not even 27 years old. That's definitely the blueprint for success.  

Draft talent.

Develop talent.

Trade talent.

?????

Profit.

 

[j4jets]

Interesting article and I've been thinking along the same lines recently.  Mo's agent obviously knows more about our cap situation then we (the typical message board fan) do.  He knew better in 2015 and he know's better now.  So the chance for Mo to get his dream contract with us was last year when we had the cap space.  Since that didn't happen, Mo obviously wasn't committed to being a life time Jet.  So since he's not, then why should we, we Jets fans, be?  I say, bye Mo and thanks for the 2017 comp pick.  

Not necessarily. We had Mo last year for what like $7mil? A new contract would have raised that years salary charge to something like $12mil. Obviously, we don't know what went on in the negotiations, but Im willing to bet Mo wanted to get rid of the tender paying half his worth and do a new contract whereas McCag wanted a contract that started in 2016.

Difference:

New Contract: 5 years 60 mil - 12mil a year average
Extension: 6 years 67 mil (5 year extension plus the 2015 contract) ≈ 11 mil a year average.

This is just assuming a $12mil a year contract. The bigger that amount goes, the bigger the effect of a new contract versus an extension. So again, we don't know what went on in the negotiations. We heard no rumors or figures.

The other point is, the salary cap can be very easily manipulated. A lot of the big money contracts will drop off in the near future (B'rick, Mangold, Harris, Revis). I don't see Revis playing at his current contract longer than 2 more years . Without looking at it, thats easily $40+ mil in players who would be beyond their prime by the end of 2017. Of course we'll have Sheldon and others demanding a new contract. but we can always manipulate the salary cap. We can afford him. Thats not an issue. Issue is, do we want to afford him?

[AFJF]

Not necessarily. We had Mo last year for what like $7mil? A new contract would have raised that years salary charge to something like $12mil. Obviously, we don't know what went on in the negotiations, but Im willing to bet Mo wanted to get rid of the tender paying half his worth and do a new contract whereas McCag wanted a contract that started in 2016.

Difference:

New Contract: 5 years 60 mil - 12mil a year average
Extension: 6 years 67 mil (5 year extension plus the 2015 contract) ≈ 11 mil a year average.

This is just assuming a $12mil a year contract. The bigger that amount goes, the bigger the effect of a new contract versus an extension. So again, we don't know what went on in the negotiations. We heard no rumors or figures.

The other point is, the salary cap can be very easily manipulated. A lot of the big money contracts will drop off in the near future (B'rick, Mangold, Harris, Revis). I don't see Revis playing at his current contract longer than 2 more years . Without looking at it, thats easily $40+ mil in players who would be beyond their prime by the end of 2017. Of course we'll have Sheldon and others demanding a new contract. but we can always manipulate the salary cap. We can afford him. Thats not an issue. Issue is, do we want to afford him?

Or is he their best chip in an effort to move up and grab a QB they like?  

I'd love to see them find a way to keep him if that's what they really want to do.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Draft talent.

Develop talent.

Trade talent.

?????

Profit.

 

Very similar to my philosophy on investing, which is just: money, profit. 

[Snell41]

Someone said it in another thread and it can't be discounted-the interior line gets away with murder when it comes to holding. There was a defensive holding play against DEN, and when they showed the replay you could clearly see NE's guard just plain bear hugging a D lineman in the background. I think it was almost awkward for Simms/Nantz because that hold was 10 times more obvious. Your pass rusher has to come from the outside, those holds are so much more visible and get called far more often. A disruptive outside rusher can reek havoc in a game. A guy like Mo is stout against the run, but he's never going to have the pass rush impact of a guy like Von Miller.

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[j4jets]

Draft talent.

Develop talent.

Trade talent.

?????

Profit.

 

If we can draft talent, regularly, we wouldn't ever have cap issue. Ever. We'd always have new talent lining up to take up step in on rookie deals.

[j4jets]

Or is he their best chip in an effort to move up and grab a QB they like?  

I'd love to see them find a way to keep him if that's what they really want to do.

I, for one, don't mind dealing him away but only if we get the right price. It has to be a 1st rounder plus maybe a 3rd or 4th. Letting him walk to pick up a compensatory pick is borderline retarded. Tag and trade, or sign long term. No other option.

Keep in mind, he still hasn't reached his peak imo. He's only 26. That is unbelievable and works in our favor, in fact.