SayNoToDMC Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I laughed, I cried..... the laughing was probably the drugs. Why the **** can't we find a rush linebacker? We've been talking about this since Mangini. We rolled with Calvin Pace for 10 years. Even ******* Sanchez was better then was Manning tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Why ? Its simple we don't draft any with early picks. The 1 guy we did draft early was a pass rushing specialist Gholston and not only was he terrible at that but he was also a terrible LB. Im of the belief you should draft LB that can actually play the position and are fast and then mold them in your scheme. If the Jets want good LB's they should draft them and stop trying to get pass rushers across the DL in a 3-4 defense. DL in a 3-4 are not meant to be pass rushers if you want them to be then run a 4-3. Hopefully Macc gets this because idzik and Tanny and Rex had no clue. The only way you are going to get serious pressure and consistent pressure from DL in the 3-4 is if you have a terror playing OLB who draws double and triple teams but can also play the position. Those guys are very rare so looking for specialists is a bad way to approach the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I could be wrong on this but... Aren't LBs considered to be "not as valuable" in today's NFL? DBs and DL are the favored positions on the D. I feel like, due to the cap, teams attempt to save on LBs. Obviously a Von Miller is going to be a major difference maker though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Circumstance in the draft...they sacrificed getting Lamarr Woodley for getting Revis in 2007, Leonard Williams fell to them last year, Justin Houston had a garbage reputation that led to every team in the league to passing at least twice in 2011... FA never has a prime aged star unless that guy has fallen apart somehow (Merriman, Aldon Smith). After that teams sift through the occasional Pace, Barwin, Kruger, Dumervil, or Jarrett Johnson tier player, more limited and/or less explosive. Might have to dip into that well again this year with Irvin or Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Tanenbaum trade Abraham for a Center and drafted the biggest bust at the OLB position of the 21st century a couple years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 At least Mauldin showed a lot of promise last season. Mauldin looked better than some of the 1st rd grade OLB's people were drooling over last April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 54 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Circumstance in the draft...they sacrificed getting Lamarr Woodley for getting Revis in 2007, Leonard Williams fell to them last year, Justin Houston had a garbage reputation that led to every team in the league to passing at least twice in 2011... FA never has a prime aged star unless that guy has fallen apart somehow (Merriman, Aldon Smith). After that teams sift through the occasional Pace, Barwin, Kruger, Dumervil, or Jarrett Johnson tier player, more limited and/or less explosive. Might have to dip into that well again this year with Irvin or Perry. Aldon Smith can't get more than a one year deal in free agency. If we offer Smith a 2-3 year deal he is a jet next season only problem is we need a place holder at OLB first 10 weeks of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Explosion LB'ers are difficult to find. Denver has bookend OLB's. They also have fast ILB's that can cover. The over all scheme is very sound. All of their DB's can cover and the DL can stuff the run. A team with WR's that can get open, make difficult catches and fight for the ball can beat them. Carolina is weak at WR. Phillips exploited that weakness. Those drops clearly did not help Carolina either and the turnovers sealed the deal. they kept Newton contained for the most part with the bracket pass rush. They contained Brady with the speedy ILB's who can cover the underneath. Rex exploited the slow Jets ILB's. Mauldin may be the Ware for the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetdawgg said: Explosion LB'ers are difficult to find. Denver has bookend OLB's. They also have fast ILB's that can cover. The over all scheme is very sound. All of their DB's can cover and the DL can stuff the run. A team with WR's that can get open, make difficult catches and fight for the ball can beat them. Carolina is weak at WR. Phillips exploited that weakness. Those drops clearly did not help Carolina either and the turnovers sealed the deal. they kept Newton contained for the most part with the bracket pass rush. They contained Brady with the speedy ILB's who can cover the underneath. Rex exploited the slow Jets ILB's. Mauldin may be the Ware for the Jets. Denver got kinda lucky that Von Smith they're top 2 pick in the draft panned out so well and then Ware went there just a couple years later at a discount to get a ring. I like Mauldin. If Mac has any balls he pulls the trigger on a multi-year deal with Aldon Smith who we can get at a discount right now just have to deal with his suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, drdetroit said: At least Mauldin showed a lot of promise last season. Mauldin looked better than some of the 1st rd grade OLB's people were drooling over last April Yes, he did show promise. But I didn't get the feeling like he's capable of consistent 10-12 sack seasons. We need one of those guys. Finding him feels like the search for the Lost City of Atlantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, Shadetree said: Yes, he did show promise. But I didn't get the feeling like he's capable of consistent 10-12 sack seasons. We need one of those guys. Finding him feels like the search for the Lost City of Atlantis. That's why I want Aldon Smith. Having an elite pass rusher on the opposite side will make Mauldin even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 17 minutes ago, drdetroit said: That's why I want Aldon Smith. Having an elite pass rusher on the opposite side will make Mauldin even better. Sorry...I forget the last name ..Aldon smith from the raiders? The guy that makes Sheldon Richardson look like Winston Churchill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, Shadetree said: Sorry...I forget the last name ..Aldon smith from the raiders? The guy that makes Sheldon Richardson look like Winston Churchill? Different contexts though....Whereas Richardson is heading into FA after 2017 and already talking Suh money, Smith's price is at an all time low and, as a pass rusher, offers a more premium skill set and potential value on his FA deal. I don't support it, just do think it could be explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Shadetree said: Sorry...I forget the last name ..Aldon smith from the raiders? The guy that makes Sheldon Richardson look like Winston Churchill? Well if you want an elite pass rushing OLB you have to take a risk. The Knicks took a huge risk on Latrell Sprewell and they went to the NBA Finals. Aldon Smith is better than Wilkerson at only 1/4 the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 We wasted too many picks on DL Mauldin showed a lot of promise last season but we still need another OLB with speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 17 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Different contexts though....Whereas Richardson is heading into FA after 2017 and already talking Suh money, Smith's price is at an all time low and, as a pass rusher, offers a more premium skill set and potential value on his FA deal. It would suuuuuuck to have two guys on the team, but I'm a big fan of shopping Richardson to the highest bidder. 15 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Well if you want an elite pass rushing OLB you have to take a risk. The Knicks took a huge risk on Latrell Sprewell and they went to the NBA Finals. Aldon Smith is better than Wilkerson at only 1/4 the cost. Well if that's the route the team takes, I hope their investigative team is top notch. id stay away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Aldon Smith is better than Wilkerson at only 1/4 the cost. ^^^ How to make a bad idea a worse idea. Do you have a Simpsons monorail song to go with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We wasted too many picks on DL Mauldin showed a lot of promise last season but we still need another OLB with speed While we definitely need LBs, I don't know that we wasted picks on the DL. We drafted some really good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: While we definitely need LBs, I don't know that we wasted picks on the DL. We drafted some really good players. Kenrick Ellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Denver D was amazing this post season. They took care one of the quickest release QB's in the NFL, Brady, and then the MVP hybrid QB without missing a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 17 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Kenrick Ellis Cherry picking a late 3rd round pick in 2011? Go ahead and look at what OLBs were taken after him that would be useful currently. I'll wait. The problem is the Jets haven't invested a first round pick or even 2nd or 3rd on an outside rusher in a very long time. Which is strange given they have invested so many high picks in the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Cherry picking a late 3rd round pick in 2011? Go ahead and look at what OLBs were taken after him that would be useful currently. I'll wait. The problem is the Jets haven't invested a first round pick or even 2nd or 3rd on an outside rusher in a very long time. Which is strange given they have invested so many high picks in the defense. I agree with you before Kenrick Ellis it was Dewayne Robertson. We haven't had a pass rusher since John Abraham many experiments have failed Maybin,Taylor etc a glaring need being ignored, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3-4 OLB is one of the easiest positions in the draft to project, so the Jets have that going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Everyone complaining about not having a guy like Von Miller miss the point that many teams have tried to draft then next "Von Miller" only to end up with busts. When you try to force a pick to get a certain type of player it usually ends poorly. Where we drafted last year the BPA was Leonard Williams. Thankfully we selected him and didn't opt for some shiny new speed edge rusher that may or may not pan out. With that said, I hope an edge rusher worthy of the 20th pick falls to us in the draft. If not, I hope we go BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I could be wrong on this but... Aren't LBs considered to be "not as valuable" in today's NFL? DBs and DL are the favored positions on the D. I feel like, due to the cap, teams attempt to save on LBs. Obviously a Von Miller is going to be a major difference maker though. . According to the franchise tag prices on defense. DE, who in a 4-3 set are the pass rushers, $14.813 M LB--- $13.195 M Who in the 3-4 set are the pass rushers The value is brought down because in the 4-3 they are not. Plus ILB'ers and Mlb'ers aren't as valuable. I suspect if they had a separate category for 3-4 OLB, they would be there with DE's CB----$13.075 DT-----$11.193 That's one of the reason the Wilkerson situation is odd. If the Jets played a 4-3 he would be a 3 tech DT, and the tag would only be $ 11.193 M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Cherry picking a late 3rd round pick in 2011? Go ahead and look at what OLBs were taken after him that would be useful currently. I'll wait. The problem is the Jets haven't invested a first round pick or even 2nd or 3rd on an outside rusher in a very long time. Which is strange given they have invested so many high picks in the defense. otherwise known as the "Gholston Effect". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 We had John Abraham. He was a monster. We traded him for a center. Thanks, Mangini. Maudlin had as many sacks as every rush OLB taken in the draft this year on hundreds of less snaps. Why cant we find a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 There was Coples. he was intended as an edge rusher. Didn't work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Let's hope Noah Spence pulls a Shane Ray and falls to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, flgreen said: There was Coples. he was intended as an edge rusher. Didn't work out He wasn't intended as an edge rusher. He was intended to be a defensive lineman and then they drafted Sheldon Richardson and tried to bump him to outside linebacker. Then, when they released him, they bumped Sheldon to OLB because they still don't have anyone to fill the position adequately. I'm all for BPA, but at some point you have to pass on the BPA DE to address other needs. The Jets drafting of defensive lineman in the first round was almost as bad as what the Lions did with wide receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: We wasted too many picks on DL Mauldin showed a lot of promise last season but we still need another OLB with speed I agree. Which we could get in this draft. Bowles said the exact same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: He wasn't intended as an edge rusher. He was intended to be a defensive lineman and then they drafted Sheldon Richardson and tried to bump him to outside linebacker. Then, when they released him, they bumped Sheldon to OLB because they still don't have anyone to fill the position adequately. I'm all for BPA, but at some point you have to pass on the BPA DE to address other needs. The Jets drafting of defensive lineman in the first round was almost as bad as what the Lions did with wide receivers. Except that most of the DL have turned out to be good players, while the Lions WRs for the most part were garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 20 minutes ago, JiF said: We had John Abraham. He was a monster. We traded him for a center. Thanks, Mangini. Maudlin had as many sacks as every rush OLB taken in the draft this year on hundreds of less snaps. Why cant we find a QB? But Abe was a DL not a LB. BTW, if last night is anything to go by, you dont need a good QB to win the SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Except that most of the DL have turned out to be good players, while the Lions WRs for the most part were garbage The Jets barely hit more than they missed on defensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 26 minutes ago, JiF said: We had John Abraham. He was a monster. We traded him for a center. Yeah but you're forgetting about the cap space he saved and how the potential was there, because two first round picks, to land a franchise QB, a pass rusher, and an OL. Basically, that's ignorant I think you're being ignorant. Abraham didn't dominate every snap of every game like my new favorite player, Von Miller, did that one time I saw him yesterday. Plus, what kind of OL did Abraham beat? Miller beat up on Michael Oher and Mike Remmers, Super Bowl caliber OTs. Do you think Abe could do that? Those savings and that draft pick basically threw open the doors of opportunity for the Jets, who were loaded with DE talent like Shaun Ellis and Bryant Thomas at the time. So if you're going to criticize the Jets for giving up Abe, at least think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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