ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, HessStation said: I gather someone already mentioned one QB was the league MVP and the other is the greatest QB of all time. How is this thread still going? sheer will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, HessStation said: I gather someone already mentioned one QB was the league MVP and the other is the greatest QB of all time. How is this thread still going? Brady or Montana didn't play this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: Brady or Montana didn't play this week. ahahahahaha. hahahaha. *wags finger at nyjunc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just now, HessStation said: ahahahahaha. hahahaha. *wags finger at nyjunc Peyton isn't even in the discussion for greatest of all time. top 10 all time and an all time great? absolutely but greatest? no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: Peyton isn't even in the discussion for greatest of all time. top 10 all time and an all time great? absolutely but greatest? no way. nyjunc, you cheeky bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just now, HessStation said: nyjunc, you cheeky bastard. come on, work with me here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: come on, work with me here Peyton Manning is obviously the greatest QB of all time. I'm sorry but it's just true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Manning, Favre, Rivers are awful jags that just got lucky the odd time and have been dragged to success by their teams. Brady is the best Qb who ever lived and Sanchez is the 2nd best. Taken from the 'Codex of QB's' as authored by nyjuc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Here's some #math for you... Brady - Spygate - Ty Law, et. al < Chad Pennington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 No it didn't even though manning was sh*t, Brock o was solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 This thread needs BG's input. @Bleedin Green, was Chad Pennington a great QB, or the greatest QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: This thread needs BG's input. @Bleedin Green, was Chad Pennington a great QB, or the greatest QB? Pennington would of led the jets to a Super Bowl if it wasn't for that ******* kicker in 04 and if we never let him leave in 2008. He was one of the smartest to play the game but got destroyed by injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 31 minutes ago, HessStation said: Peyton Manning is obviously the greatest QB of all time. I'm sorry but it's just true. it's as true as saying peyton was great on Sunday. 29 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Manning, Favre, Rivers are awful jags that just got lucky the odd time and have been dragged to success by their teams. Brady is the best Qb who ever lived and Sanchez is the 2nd best. Taken from the 'Codex of QB's' as authored by nyjuc. shhhh, adults are trying to discuss football. please come back another time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: This thread needs BG's input. @Bleedin Green, was Chad Pennington a great QB, or the greatest QB? @Bleedin Green Will surely drop some truth bombs on the ignorant mofo's in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 21 minutes ago, Colgateman said: Pennington would of led the jets to a Super Bowl if it wasn't for that ******* kicker in 04 and if we never let him leave in 2008. He was one of the smartest to play the game but got destroyed by injuries See, there's some serious knowledge from a man who either has excellent taste in toothpaste or has attended/is attending a reasonably good university or maybe its both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, gEYno said: See, there's some serious knowledge from a man who either has excellent taste in toothpaste or has attended/is attending a reasonably good university or maybe its both! Alternate hypothesis: Superhero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 50 minutes ago, HessStation said: Peyton Manning is obviously the greatest QB of all time. I'm sorry but it's just true. 18 minutes ago, nyjunc said: it's as true as saying peyton was great on Sunday. shhhh, adults are trying to discuss football. please come back another time http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301040nyj.htm That's what I think of Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Alternate hypothesis: Superhero. I'm a little disturbed that a toothpaste based super hero would not smile with his mouth open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, gEYno said: I'm a little disturbed that a toothpaste based super hero would not smile with his mouth open. What do you expect? It's Aquafresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: it's as true as saying peyton was great on Sunday. Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady 1. Carrer Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 2. Single Season Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 3. Single Season Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 4. Career Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Tom Brady 5. Single Game Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 6. Career Passing Touchdowns Winner: Peyton Manning 7. Career Completions Winner: Peyton Manning 8. Career Completions % Winner: Peyton Manning 9. Career Passer Rating Winner: Peyton Manning 10. Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 11. Playoffs Most 300 yards + Passing Yards WInner: Peyton Manning 12: Playoffs Passing Touchdowns Winner: Tom Brady 13. Playoff Completion % Winner: Tom Brady 14: Playoff Passing TD Winner: Tom Brady 15. Career Head to Head Winner: Tom Brady 16. Playoffs Head to Head Winner: Peyton Manning 17. NFL MVPs Winner: Peyton Manning 18. Career Wins: Peyton Manning 19. Playoff Wins: Tom Brady 20. Super Bowl Wins: Tom Brady 21. Tuck Rule: Peyton Manning 22. Spy-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning 23. Deflate-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning Peyton Manning: 16 Tom Brady: 7 Winner: Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, HessStation said: Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady 1. Carrer Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 2. Single Season Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 3. Single Season Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 4. Career Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Tom Brady 5. Single Game Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 6. Career Passing Touchdowns Winner: Peyton Manning 7. Career Completions Winner: Peyton Manning 8. Career Completions % Winner: Peyton Manning 9. Career Passer Rating Winner: Peyton Manning 10. Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 11. Playoffs Most 300 yards + Passing Yards WInner: Peyton Manning 12: Playoffs Passing Touchdowns Winner: Tom Brady 13. Playoff Completion % Winner: Tom Brady 14: Playoff Passing TD Winner: Tom Brady 15. Career Head to Head Winner: Tom Brady 16. Playoffs Head to Head Winner: Peyton Manning 17. NFL MVPs Winner: Peyton Manning 18. Career Wins: Peyton Manning 19. Playoff Wins: Tom Brady 20. Super Bowl Wins: Tom Brady 21. Tuck Rule: Peyton Manning 22. Spy-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning 23. Deflate-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning Peyton Manning: 16 Tom Brady: 7 Winner: Peyton Manning 24. 2 time CBPOY: Chad Pennington 25. 4 time road playoff winner: Mark Sanchez 26. Back to back AFC Championship Participant: Mark Sanchez 27. Completion Percentage: Chad Pennington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, gEYno said: 24. 2 time CBPOY: Chad Pennington 25. 4 time road playoff winner: Mark Sanchez 26. Back to back AFC Championship Participant: Mark Sanchez 27. Completion Percentage: Chad Pennington Who runs Bartertown??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: it's as true as saying peyton was great on Sunday. shhhh, adults are trying to discuss football. please come back another time That's the thing, you opinions are so utterly dumb regarding QBs' that you post like a 12 year old playing madden or something. You are endlessly using one set of arguments to support one QB or Diss one Qb and then 100% totally ignore the same arguments to support or diss another QB. The most recent being dissing Manning and listing all the reasons why he was 'carried' along and totally ignoring the same data and metrics when if comes to your boy Mark Sanchez re playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 28. 27th ranked but top 10 best: Mark Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: This thread needs BG's input. @Bleedin Green, was Chad Pennington a great QB, or the greatest QB? I can't believe I missed this, thanks for tagging me man. I can't believe some of the complete bullsh*t being said in this thread! Chad was totally great, but unfortunately the dumbasses running this team at the time made it literally impossible for him to be as great as he could be. The moment anyone he had to work with seemed to be getting any good, they'd just get rid of them. Oh, Coles just had a breakout season? Yeah, let's get rid of him! Oh, now it's Moss' turn, too. Yeah, let's fill them in with crap like Curtis Conway and Just McCareins. Can't believe that didn't work out, huh? People want to talk crap about him getting hurt, like that's somehow in any way his fault, but all that did is prove his greatness. What did the Jets ever do without Chad in those years? Um... NOTHING! They kept trying to bring other guys in, but they all showed how much the rest of that Jets team sucked ass without Pennington. He carried all of their asses all of the time. Maybe if he was given the tiniest bit of help out there, it could have been a little bit different. There's all the talk about how Brady and the Pats always win the AFCE, but I have a question for you... who else has done it during that time? Oh wait, that's right... PENNINGTON! It was even on two different teams in the division, which proves it was ALL HIM. It didn't matter that he never had any help, he was the only guy in the league who could step up against a cheater that had way more on his side. It's pretty much impossible for one guy to do it all by himself, but Pennington got closer than anyone else ever could. Hell, even with crap receivers he had the highest completion percentage of everyone, that just proves how ridiculously great he was at his job. Just imagine if it wasn't a bunch of crap who wasn't constantly dropping balls? It's just such a damn shame that talent that amazing was just pissed away for his entire career. That's why we have no idea how long it will take for the Jets to ever be legit again, because with how rare top level QB talent is in the NFL, who knows when, or if, they'll ever get anywhere close to that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 25 minutes ago, HessStation said: Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady 1. Carrer Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 2. Single Season Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 3. Single Season Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 4. Career Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Tom Brady 5. Single Game Playoff Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 6. Career Passing Touchdowns Winner: Peyton Manning 7. Career Completions Winner: Peyton Manning 8. Career Completions % Winner: Peyton Manning 9. Career Passer Rating Winner: Peyton Manning 10. Playoffs Passing Yards Winner: Peyton Manning 11. Playoffs Most 300 yards + Passing Yards WInner: Peyton Manning 12: Playoffs Passing Touchdowns Winner: Tom Brady 13. Playoff Completion % Winner: Tom Brady 14: Playoff Passing TD Winner: Tom Brady 15. Career Head to Head Winner: Tom Brady 16. Playoffs Head to Head Winner: Peyton Manning 17. NFL MVPs Winner: Peyton Manning 18. Career Wins: Peyton Manning 19. Playoff Wins: Tom Brady 20. Super Bowl Wins: Tom Brady 21. Tuck Rule: Peyton Manning 22. Spy-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning 23. Deflate-Gate Scandal Winner: Peyton Manning Peyton Manning: 16 Tom Brady: 7 Winner: Peyton Manning 1. he played many more games and the majority of his games in domes w/ elite talent to throw to. 2. ok 3. who cares? 5. who cares? 6. more games, more weapons, half his games in domes. 7. see #6 8. who cares? 9. who cares? 10. Brady has more yds passing the playoffs 11. Brady ha more 300+ yd games in postseason 16. Thanks to defense. Brady had the less talented team every game. Brady led O to 20.6 PPG, manning led his O's to 20.2 17. putting up inflated #s in weak division w/ elite talent around him in domes 18. played many more games(293 to 254) yet Brady is only 6 games back and will easily break that record next year 19. 22 to 14- a HUGE gap 21-23 haha I guess we can put an HGH category? Manning has better reg season #s paying w/ more talent and half his games in domes. Brady has 4 SB titles, 3 of which he led late game winning drives to win. Manning has 2, in both games his D allowed just 10 pts each so he needed an elite defensive effort to win. PPG allowed by Brady/Manning Ds in SB runs: 1. Manning 2006 12.8 2. Manning 2015 14.7 3. Brady 2001 15.7 4. Brady 2004 17 PPG 5. Brady 2003 19 PPG 6. Brady 2014 20.7 PPG avg: Manning 15.8 PPG, Brady 18 PPG avg. points allowed by Ds in postseason in regulation: Manning D's: 17 PPG Brady D's: 20.2 PPG One and dones: Manning 9 Brady 2 home playoff losses: Manning 6 Brady 3 Playoff losses w/ a 1st rd bye: Manning 5 Brady 1 times threw away Super Bowl w/ game clinching INT returned for TD: Manning 1 Brady 0 times shut out in postseason: Manning 1 Brady 0 Times held under 10 pts in postseason: Manning 3 Brady 0 # of playoff games lost when D/STs scores 2 TDs: Manning 1 Brady 0 # of playoff wins when opponent scores 20 or more: Manning 3 Brady 11 it's really not close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, Beerfish said: That's the thing, you opinions are so utterly dumb regarding QBs' that you post like a 12 year old playing madden or something. You are endlessly using one set of arguments to support one QB or Diss one Qb and then 100% totally ignore the same arguments to support or diss another QB. The most recent being dissing Manning and listing all the reasons why he was 'carried' along and totally ignoring the same data and metrics when if comes to your boy Mark Sanchez re playoffs. can you actually try to post an argument rather than attack a guy who knows much more than you do? show me a postseason win where Mark sanchez essentially led his offense to 3 pts, turned it over multiple times and the Jets still won? mark never played that poorly in a postseason game, Mark was very good in postseason, manning was awful this postseason and has been a mediocre postseason QB his entire career minus a few great games(mostly WC rd by the way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, Ben Had said: 28. 27th ranked but top 10 best: Mark Sanchez it's such an honor to have fans follow me, this is the 4th board you have followed me to. thank you Ben! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 4 hours ago, gEYno said: Exactly. Chad being a warrior and a good teammate after the team let him down repeatedly by not providing him with any protection. If anyone on our current team had half Chad's heart and a quarter his smarts, we sure as hell wouldn't have lost to Buffalo, I'll tell you that much. Chad as a young boy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, nyjunc said: 1. he played many more games and the majority of his games in domes w/ elite talent to throw to. 2. ok 3. who cares? 5. who cares? 6. more games, more weapons, half his games in domes. 7. see #6 8. who cares? 9. who cares? 10. Brady has more yds passing the playoffs 11. Brady ha more 300+ yd games in postseason 16. Thanks to defense. Brady had the less talented team every game. Brady led O to 20.6 PPG, manning led his O's to 20.2 17. putting up inflated #s in weak division w/ elite talent around him in domes 18. played many more games(293 to 254) yet Brady is only 6 games back and will easily break that record next year 19. 22 to 14- a HUGE gap 21-23 haha I guess we can put an HGH category? Manning has better reg season #s paying w/ more talent and half his games in domes. Brady has 4 SB titles, 3 of which he led late game winning drives to win. Manning has 2, in both games his D allowed just 10 pts each so he needed an elite defensive effort to win. PPG allowed by Brady/Manning Ds in SB runs: 1. Manning 2006 12.8 2. Manning 2015 14.7 3. Brady 2001 15.7 4. Brady 2004 17 PPG 5. Brady 2003 19 PPG 6. Brady 2014 20.7 PPG avg: Manning 15.8 PPG, Brady 18 PPG avg. points allowed by Ds in postseason in regulation: Manning D's: 17 PPG Brady D's: 20.2 PPG One and dones: Manning 9 Brady 2 home playoff losses: Manning 6 Brady 3 Playoff losses w/ a 1st rd bye: Manning 5 Brady 1 times threw away Super Bowl w/ game clinching INT returned for TD: Manning 1 Brady 0 times shut out in postseason: Manning 1 Brady 0 Times held under 10 pts in postseason: Manning 3 Brady 0 # of playoff games lost when D/STs scores 2 TDs: Manning 1 Brady 0 # of playoff wins when opponent scores 20 or more: Manning 3 Brady 11 it's really not close # of times team or person caught cheating in order to win Manning 0 Brady 5 # of Super Bowl Wins not mired in scandal Manning 2 Brady 0 # of times needed help from a horrible call (ref and coaching) to win a Super Bowl Manning 0 Brady 2 Brady has Tuck-Gate, Walkthough-Gate, Spy-Gate, Deflate-Gate, Formation-Gate and the biggest head-coaching blunder in the history of the NFL to thank for his Super Bowl wins. Peyton's are all legit. Winner and Still Champion: Peyton Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Chad as a young boy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, HessStation said: # of times team or person caught cheating in order to win Manning 0 Brady 5 # of Super Bowl Wins not mired in scandal Manning 2 Brady 0 # of times needed help from a horrible call (ref and coaching) to win a Super Bowl Manning 0 Brady 2 Brady has Tuck-Gate, Walkthough-Gate, Spy-Gate, Deflate-Gate, Formation-Gate and the biggest head-coaching blunder in the history of the NFL to thank for his Super Bowl wins. Peyton's are all legit. Winner and Still Champion: Peyton Manning the tuck rule was the correct call, peyton actually cheated a few weeks ago giving himself up then getting up and making a big completion and he admitted it after the game. so basically all you have is speculation. In SBs: Brady led his O's to 21.3 PPG Manning led his O's to 16 PPG TD drives led in SBs: Brady: 16 in 6 games, 2.7 per game Manning: 6 in 4 games, 1.5 per game this is just not a contest AND Brady has many more years left while Peyton is finished. it's not close now, it will be less close a few years from now when Brady keeps distancing himself from Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 20 minutes ago, nyjunc said: the tuck rule was the correct call, peyton actually cheated a few weeks ago giving himself up then getting up and making a big completion and he admitted it after the game. so basically all you have is speculation. In SBs: Brady led his O's to 21.3 PPG Manning led his O's to 16 PPG TD drives led in SBs: Brady: 16 in 6 games, 2.7 per game Manning: 6 in 4 games, 1.5 per game this is just not a contest AND Brady has many more years left while Peyton is finished. it's not close now, it will be less close a few years from now when Brady keeps distancing himself from Peyton. If we're using Super Bowl logic again neither Brady nor Manning are in the Top 10 Passer Rating for a Super Bowl. There'd be a slew of Qbs ahead of both. But you know it, I know it, everyone knows if you could take any one QB in his prime to run your franchise today, it's Peyton Manning and it's not even close. Brady needs the comfort of the HOF HC and to be surrounded in a system that cheats. Peyton is the system. Only QB to win a SB with two different teams and brought four different HCs. WINNER: Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, HessStation said: If we're using Super Bowl logic again neither Brady nor Manning are in the Top 10 Passer Rating for a Super Bowl. There'd be a slew of Qbs ahead of both. But you know it, I know it, everyone knows if you could take any one QB in his prime to run your franchise today, it's Peyton Manning and it's not even close. Brady needs the comfort of the HOF HC and to be surrounded in a system that cheats. Peyton is the system. Only QB to win a SB with two different teams and brought four different HCs. WINNER: Manning Let's look at the HCs, shall we? Bill Belichick with Tom Brady: 172-51, 77% Bill Belichick without Tom Brady: 51-62, , 45% -32% Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell, John Fox, Gary Kubiak with Peyton Manning(2 HCs fired w/ Manning, none w/ Brady): 186-79, 70% Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell, John Fox, Gary Kubiak without Peyton Manning: 315-297, 51% -19% Brady wins again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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