Warfish Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 And since I've had nothing positive to say so far, I should add, I like some of the new space ships. Kylo's amped up Tie Interceptor was quite cool. The Dreadnaught planet-pew pew ship was a cool concept (and how much cooler would Force Awakens have been if instead of yet another f'ing Planet Death Star, the Rebellion, er, Resistance, had to fly their whole fleet to take out a trio of Dreadnaughts +Escort craft in orbit around some important planet. Space Battle awesomeness would ensue, woulda be different and great, but alas, tis no). The new Bombers looked cool, like the throwback WWII B-17 idea sort of (why no Y-Wings man?) but the gravity falling bomb idea and no blue forcefield below the bombbay to protect the crew was just lazy special effects. Magnetic bombs and a forcefield effect save this from sillyness. Snoke's Flagship was to Star Destroyers what Starkiller Base was to the Deathstar, a meh "lets just make it bigger and BIGGER" bit of laziness, but it still looked cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I'm a bit late to the party on this thread, but I fall more in the Mogglez and Rutgers camp on this one. Maybe its because I turned 40 myself recently, but I liked the way the movies has started to close the chapters on the past and opened new doors for the future installment. I enjoyed how the last 2 movies have dealt with the core 3 characters from the original trilogy. I would have been pissed if they allowed Kylo to hack Luke to death after he did the same to Han. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, maury77 said: I'm a bit late to the party on this thread, but I fall more in the Mogglez and Rutgers camp on this one. Maybe its because I turned 40 myself recently, but I liked the way the movies has started to close the chapters on the past and opened new doors for the future installment. I enjoyed how the last 2 movies have dealt with the core 3 characters from the original trilogy. I would have been pissed if they allowed Kylo to hack Luke to death after he did the same to Han. Turning Luke Skywalker into a murderous coward is not closing the chapter. Having him save the day then sacrifice himself like obi wan did is closing a chapter I was expecting bad things to happen to Luke, I was totally unprepared for a lousy story and a movie that failed on every level. If Luke using the force to blow up the original death star didn't light a spark for the resistance what did poe or Rey do? You could finish Johnsons new story arc in 30 minutes, Disney is on the hook for 3 movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Warfish said: And since I've had nothing positive to say so far, I should add, I like some of the new space ships. Kylo's amped up Tie Interceptor was quite cool. The Dreadnaught planet-pew pew ship was a cool concept (and how much cooler would Force Awakens have been if instead of yet another f'ing Planet Death Star, the Rebellion, er, Resistance, had to fly their whole fleet to take out a trio of Dreadnaughts +Escort craft in orbit around some important planet. Space Battle awesomeness would ensue, woulda be different and great, but alas, tis no). The new Bombers looked cool, like the throwback WWII B-17 idea sort of (why no Y-Wings man?) but the gravity falling bomb idea and no blue forcefield below the bombbay to protect the crew was just lazy special effects. Magnetic bombs and a forcefield effect save this from sillyness. Snoke's Flagship was to Star Destroyers what Starkiller Base was to the Deathstar, a meh "lets just make it bigger and BIGGER" bit of laziness, but it still looked cool. The one thing I will give Johnson credit for is the shields actually worked. How many times have we seen a space ship have shields up, take massive damage and someone says "shields at 50%captain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 hours ago, maury77 said: I'm a bit late to the party on this thread, but I fall more in the Mogglez and Rutgers camp on this one. Maybe its because I turned 40 myself recently, but I liked the way the movies has started to close the chapters on the past and opened new doors for the future installment. I enjoyed how the last 2 movies have dealt with the core 3 characters from the original trilogy. I would have been pissed if they allowed Kylo to hack Luke to death after he did the same to Han. It’ll be interesting to see how the books and future shows play out. I sure would like to see some more in depth stuff on Snoke’s emergence between Jedi and Awakens. It would be cool if they could do an animated series based around Luke and Ben’s early relationship, like they did with Anakin and Obi Wan in Clone Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Larz said: That was never in doubt, but having a light sabre doesn't mean it's a star wars movie. I would like to thank Rian for removing any doubt about paying to see another Disney crap fest #firestickthatsh*t Johnson probably impressed his film school buddies, but I hated the movie from the opening crawl. It was written like he was forced to put it in and was just going through the motions I really wanted to walk out halfway through but my kids were into it Young people just don't get how bitterly disappointing that pile of diarrhea is. Of all the criticism, the 1 that doesn't get talked about is nobody said "I have a bad feeling about this" That's like star trek with nobody getting beamed up. That's like benching Eli for geno Smith Some things you just don't mess with. What's the point? Proving you are a hip happening director that takes chances with bold fresh ideas? Great, make a ******* indie movie. Every body knew they had to transition from the core characters, I'm not criticizing him for that. The movie was 30 minutes too long, the jokes were terrible, the plot made no sense, he ignored the force awakens, the matrix lean, the milking scene, Mary Poppins, Rey fails at everything, poe and fin suck , rose sucks the slow speed space chase was eyerollapalooza , and he managed to make a surprise appearance by Yoda boring. I judge movies by 3 criteria 1) did it make me feel or think?. I felt nothing. Nobody cheered when Luke appeared, nobody booed for kylo. What made star wars special was its the only movie I've ever seen where the audience cheers the characters first onscreen appearance. the crowd I was with sat in silence when the movie ended. Star wars crowds cheer after the end. 2) did I become aware my seat is uncomfortable?. You. 45 minutes in. I was never engaged by this career vehicle for Johnson. 3) did I wonder how long before the movie ends? Yup. During the stupid master coder in a Las Vegas cantina plot I get that Disney is trying to anchor in a new generation, that's business, but they could have given the original generation a decent story to go out with. Now jj will remake return of the jedi, medal ceremony and all, and a death sun, and the shame of it is I don't give a sh*t. This is one of my favorite criticisms. These guys do not properly understand snd appreciate the star war! I do agree that I was not into Rose as a character. Her “oooooh pretty horsedogs” when they entered the casino was even more annoying than Finn’s annoying actions and lines once inside. THAT SAID they quickly established where the next generation of the rebellion will come from during that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Warfish said: 3 down. 3,000 to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 8 hours ago, Larz said: Turning Luke Skywalker into a murderous coward is not closing the chapter. Having him save the day then sacrifice himself like obi wan did is closing a chapter I was expecting bad things to happen to Luke, I was totally unprepared for a lousy story and a movie that failed on every level. If Luke using the force to blow up the original death star didn't light a spark for the resistance what did poe or Rey do? You could finish Johnsons new story arc in 30 minutes, Disney is on the hook for 3 movies Unless I'm wrong, Luke didn't actually murder anyone (he contemplated it). While you may not have liked it, I thought it added an extra dimension to Luke. Additionally, he did save the day. He drew Kylo's attention long enough to allow the rebels to escape. Also, did you consider that projecting himself over such a long distance took so much out of him that it led to his death? That is what I assumed happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 54 minutes ago, maury77 said: Unless I'm wrong, Luke didn't actually murder anyone (he contemplated it). While you may not have liked it, I thought it added an extra dimension to Luke. Not really an added dimension though. It's an expansion on one we already had seen. He has the exact same dilemma when he flies into a murderous rage at the end of Jedi, cuts off his dad's arm, and only comes to his senses when Palpatine doesn't shut his mouth. Literally the same dilemma. People really have a way of romanticizing things. It's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Not really an added dimension though. It's an expansion on one we already had seen. He has the exact same dilemma when he flies into a murderous rage at the end of Jedi, cuts off his dad's arm, and only comes to his senses when Palpatine doesn't shut his mouth. Literally the same dilemma. People really have a way of romanticizing things. It's weird. True, although I'd argue that Luke was motivated by rage in ROTJ and fear in TLJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 hours ago, maury77 said: Unless I'm wrong, Luke didn't actually murder anyone (he contemplated it). While you may not have liked it, I thought it added an extra dimension to Luke. Additionally, he did save the day. He drew Kylo's attention long enough to allow the rebels to escape. Also, did you consider that projecting himself over such a long distance took so much out of him that it led to his death? That is what I assumed happened. The ending was a total sh*t show. Luke shows up, gets a billion laser blasts, does a matrix lean, then decides to give up. My hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: Not really an added dimension though. It's an expansion on one we already had seen. He has the exact same dilemma when he flies into a murderous rage at the end of Jedi, cuts off his dad's arm, and only comes to his senses when Palpatine doesn't shut his mouth. Literally the same dilemma. People really have a way of romanticizing things. It's weird. Who did he sneak up on in their sleep? Are you really ok with how Luke was handled? #notmyrutgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 12/15/2017 at 3:17 PM, RutgersJetFan said: P.S. I told you ****ers 2 years ago that Rey was a totally new character with no association to Obi Wan or the Skywalkers. I know my Star Wars. Suck it biatches. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/that-big-last-jedi-reveal-about-rey-isnt-solved-after-all_us_5a39a21ee4b025f99e130e7f “The easy thing would be, ‘Yes, your parents are so and so and here’s your place in the world. There you go.’ The hardest thing she could hear would be [...] ‘No, you’re not going to get the answer. This is not going to define you. You’re going to have to find your own place in this world. Kylo is going to use that even as leverage to try and make you feel insecure, and you’re going to have to stand on your own two feet.’” LUCASFILM AND DISNEY The answer, even if she knew it deep down, isn’t what Rey wanted to hear, and it’s definitely not what a lot of fans wanted to hear after all their speculation. But it may not be the final say. Johnson told us the truth is still “open.” “Anything’s still open, and I’m not writing the next film. [J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio] are doing it,” he said. Following the reveal, some fans are still questioning Rey’s parentage, especially since the news was delivered via Kylo Ren. Like Johnson said, it’s possible that Kylo is looking for any information, true or not, he can use as “leverage” against Rey. The director previously told Collider that Kylo was sincere in his remarks, but he elaborated to HuffPost that the truth might depend on how you look at things. Subscribe to the Entertainment email. Get exclusives, scoo and hot takes on the news all your friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Larz said: Who did he sneak up on in their sleep? Are you really ok with how Luke was handled? #notmyrutgers I loved the entire thing sans the gambling planet and shirtless Kylo. I think the lot of you sound very old and bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: I loved the entire thing sans the gambling planet and shirtless Kylo. I think the lot of you sound very old and bitter. Johnsons comments about Rey help. It means he didn't care about what happened before or after, he was just looking for hip happening dialog that was fresh now and relevant to impress his film school buddies, he didn't decide Reys story, just wanted her to hear something bad for feels #tljneverhappened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 13 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: I loved the entire thing sans the gambling planet and shirtless Kylo. I think the lot of you sound very old and bitter. I have an idea. In the new Godzilla, he should decide not to fight king Ghidorah, but should wait in his cave to die I'm just sick of the new directors trying to make everything dark and edgy Just give the fans what they want. I agree with ridley Scott giving an indie director a 180 million dollar budget was ******* stupid Guess we are just old and bitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 For the record, this bitter old man loves black mirror. I love everything about it. The best part is how dark and edgy it is. You could actually name the series dark edgy fresh and new The writing is phenomenal, the acting is amazing, the stories work on every level. I just see tlj as a bad movie. It just doesn't work. I was really hoping to like it, I was braced for something bad happening to Luke, but then peo prank calls hux and it goes down hill from there It's just a bad movie It's pretty and sounds great The part I liked about tfa is they made me care about Rey, so the suspense worked, the plot worked. Johnson failed at that too OK, enough is enough. That was a long ass rant, but Luke has been a part of my life for 40 years Hope no hard feelings rutgers. You are super cool and smart, I respect your opinions. I guess we just disagree here, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 If you don't like TLJ, play Star Wars Battlefront 2, the campaign mode has a pretty good storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 As usual, RedLetterMedia sums it up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Division Marduk Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 01/01/2018 at 5:53 PM, Larz said: I have an idea. In the new Godzilla, he should decide not to fight king Ghidorah, but should wait in his cave to die Once I heard Hideki Anno was working on that Godzilla film, I half expected something like that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 saw it yesterday and feel disappointed. im not a huge star wars guy i enjoy them. i think empire strikes back is a top 5 sequel. the comedy was way over the top. the floating leia was laughable. rey escapes after the snoke killing scene and all of a sudden shes in the falcon? like how did that happen? i might of missed it but that was weird. i thought the whole luke story line was boring and terrible. and the worst part was definitely the rose finn saga. that was painful. i did however like the whole rey/ren thing. def the best part of the movie. that fight scene was great against snokes soldiers. i give it a 5 out of 10. still think rogue one is the best one since empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 5:54 PM, maury77 said: Unless I'm wrong, Luke didn't actually murder anyone (he contemplated it). While you may not have liked it, I thought it added an extra dimension to Luke. Additionally, he did save the day. He drew Kylo's attention long enough to allow the rebels to escape. Also, did you consider that projecting himself over such a long distance took so much out of him that it led to his death? That is what I assumed happened. I know a couple of people who thought that killed Luke. That wasnt my initial reaction but I can consider that. Leia floating through space was absolute non sense. at least we have chewie still I was entertained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Rian Johnson is the Bowles/Macagnan of Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 @RutgersJetFan So this popped up in my Google feed today It's sublime perfection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warfish Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 8:24 PM, Philc1 said: Rian Johnson is the Bowles/Macagnan of Star Wars Incorrect. Rian Johnson has actually made some very good movies in his career. Bowles and Macc have not made any really good teams in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombdirt Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 20 hours ago, Larz said: @RutgersJetFan So this popped up in my Google feed today It's sublime perfection Okay, I was only going to watch a few minutes of this but I ended up sitting through the whole thing. Funny stuff, and a lot of good points made. It warms my heart to see a video like this, with people of all races, creeds, colors and sexes uniting in their hatred for Episode VIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 11:36 PM, RutgersJetFan said: I loved the entire thing sans the gambling planet and shirtless Kylo. I think the lot of you sound very old and bitter. Conversely, does that make the lot of you sound like 12 year old fan girls? I'd say the answer is a resounding no. There's nothing old and bitter about not liking a movie because it failed one of the most iconic characters in film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Bombdirt said: Okay, I was only going to watch a few minutes of this but I ended up sitting through the whole thing. Funny stuff, and a lot of good points made. It warms my heart to see a video like this, with people of all races, creeds, colors and sexes uniting in their hatred for Episode VIII. The consistency of the criticism leads me to believe there is something to it. Amazing that there is so much to chew on nobody got around to the "getting thrown in jail for a parking violation" plot The striking part is how so many of the reviews begin with the same quiet consternation of trying to reconcile their thoughts. Johnson didn't take it seriously and all of his jokes fell flat I really feel foymark Hamill. He waited 30 years for his glorious comeback and he gets 20 seconds of screen time in 1 movie and gets treated like sh*t on your shoe in the second Just a shame really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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