Powpow Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 7 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: Cumberland and Kerley and Breno next. Add Davis, Pace and Dbrick to that list as well. Time to do some spring cleaning and get some speed and youth onto this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Glad he was released @8mil. But I'd definitely be cool with bringing him back for less. 3.5 would be awesome. Just not sure what his market value is... any guesses? He definitely sucked early on in the season, but stepped it up later. Forget what game it was, but he had one game this season that was probably the best I've ever seen him play. So he can still ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 36 minutes ago, Powpow said: Add Davis, Pace and Dbrick to that list as well. Time to do some spring cleaning and get some speed and youth onto this team. Davis, and Pace are already FA's. Brick is a salary cut, or gone. In our new offensive scheme, LT is less important with the quick passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Colgateman said: You must not know that cro is known for having a good season, then bad one? He's known for this? Lol, ok. some goofy he's good one year bad the next, the last three years, and his injuries never crossed your mind as a reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 54 minutes ago, Powpow said: Baloney. Revis ALWAYS checked the #1 WR, thus allowing Cro to check the #2. If he was 'elite' as he thinks, then he should have had no trouble shutting down the opposing team's #2. Fact is, he was overrated and was never really a very good corner to begin with. Never. He never was a good corner. Just Cro thought he was ever good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, j4jets said: He stunk most of the season. Landry and Beckham both burned him several times. Wow, two of the best WRs in football beat our number 2 CB several times in 3 games. That proves it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Mike135 said: Glad he was released @8mil. But I'd definitely be cool with bringing him back for less. 3.5 would be awesome. Just not sure what his market value is... any guesses? He definitely sucked early on in the season, but stepped it up later. Forget what game it was, but he had one game this season that was probably the best I've ever seen him play. So he can still ball. Market value for the 103rd ranked CB? Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 12 hours ago, bostonmajet said: Agree to disagree; Williams didn't shine when he was a starter as much as when he went in as an extra DB; Shrine is best in the slot. Maybe with the extra experience we have a good replacement. But, rolling the dice on Cromartie for a first time HC, first time DB where CB play is critical is an easy call. Ether way, someone would have to take the slot, and unless it is a rookie even the minimum is some money. No coach/GM is going to be perfect and a one year deal didn't really hurt anyone and gave a first time coach a quality CB (who was clearly hurt in the beginning) who knew the scheme and supported the coach. Easy call. If you want to say agree to disagree, then you don't then go making an argument after saying so . When a team has 3 young CBs on the roster, then you add the signing of a $16-17M per year CB in Revis and a $6M/year NB/CB in Skrine and a $5M/year CB/FS in Gilchrist, and pair them up with a high-talent 2nd year 1st round pick moving back to his proper place at SS, it means you don't need to sign another 31 year old CB at $8M unless you just can't coach up any of 3 young corners who aren't all totally devoid of talent themselves. If he needed - or felt he needed - Cromartie after being handed all those other guys first, it should be some cause for concern. If you need to sign Cromartie after all that, then it's tantamount to admitting the money you're throwing at the other 3 new pickups wasn't worth what you're getting. Or admitting the HC doesn't believe in his ability to coach up youngsters. It's not like he's truly coaching half the team all week long. They admitted themselves that he meets with his OC to start the week after the last game, then they go their separate ways as Bowles doesn't touch or have much input into the offense after that. So if he's so focused on the defense - and he does have a DC as well - then he shouldn't have felt he needed Cromartie with all that already in his secondary. A wasted deal like this one to Cromartie doesn't just live in the past because the accounting seems to work out that it doesn't affect 2016 or beyond. A bad deal this size always hurts because those $ resources were put to bad use instead of good use. Particularly for a team that got so close to the playoffs and who clearly could have used another player or 2 that would have made a bigger and better positive impact than Cromartie, who was terrible. It's not a one year wash-away; that $8M could have been pushed forward to this year. Just like Idzik didn't sign a lot of good young FAs but he threw over $20M at CJ0.7K, Michael Vick, Percy Harvin, and re-signing Kerley. The team would be infinitely better off today (or last year) with a bunch of extra $2-3M/player backups and depth who they could have afforded to have around for 3-4 seasons for the same spend from 2014, instead of a system of super high paid players and their league-minimum and low draft pick/UDFA type backups who now must pan out. Further, Bowles then maybe (or likely) didn't give the needed attention and playing time to his youngsters. So now that we're supposedly contenders with higher expectations for 2016 than 2015, who is going to step in as starter? Is Williams the clear-cut starter? We know Bowles preferred a bad Cromartie to him. How many snaps did Milliner get on defense in 2015? Zero? What message does that send to these younger players, that no matter how badly the veteran starter is playing, he won't get benched if he's the coach's pet. Don't you think that affects how well they play and how much effort they put forth? I do. All of this is a cascade of events due to one bad signing at the behest of the HC who doesn't want to look bad by benching his hand-picked $8M CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Powpow said: And should not be resigned AGAIN regardless the price. He can get more money playing for the raiders or bengals next year on a one year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Never. He never was a good corner. Just Cro thought he was ever good. Never is a strong word. It isn't often a corner has a 10 INT season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Like I've mentioned before, Dee Milliner's contract kind of forces the Jets to move on from Cromartie. You can only tie up so much money at one position. Maybe Maccagnan makes a lowball offer and Cro accepts it to stay with his family that permanently resides in NJ, but Cro has 2 new mouths to feed so he probably needs to take the money elsewhere. Plus if his wife's twitter account is any indication, she appreciates some "alone time," she had this rant about Cro being at home too much during the offseason. Milliner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you want to say agree to disagree, then you don't then go making an argument after saying so . When a team has 3 young CBs on the roster, then you add the signing of a $16-17M per year CB in Revis and a $6M/year NB/CB in Skrine and a $5M/year CB/FS in Gilchrist, and pair them up with a high-talent 2nd year 1st round pick moving back to his proper place at SS, it means you don't need to sign another 31 year old CB at $8M unless you just can't coach up any of 3 young corners who aren't all totally devoid of talent themselves. If he needed - or felt he needed - Cromartie after being handed all those other guys first, it should be some cause for concern. If you need to sign Cromartie after all that, then it's tantamount to admitting the money you're throwing at the other 3 new pickups wasn't worth what you're getting. Or admitting the HC doesn't believe in his ability to coach up youngsters. It's not like he's truly coaching half the team all week long. They admitted themselves that he meets with his OC to start the week after the last game, then they go their separate ways as Bowles doesn't touch or have much input into the offense after that. So if he's so focused on the defense - and he does have a DC as well - then he shouldn't have felt he needed Cromartie with all that already in his secondary. A wasted deal like this one to Cromartie doesn't just live in the past because the accounting seems to work out that it doesn't affect 2016 or beyond. A bad deal this size always hurts because those $ resources were put to bad use instead of good use. Particularly for a team that got so close to the playoffs and who clearly could have used another player or 2 that would have made a bigger and better positive impact than Cromartie, who was terrible. It's not a one year wash-away; that $8M could have been pushed forward to this year. Just like Idzik didn't sign a lot of good young FAs but he threw over $20M at CJ0.7K, Michael Vick, Percy Harvin, and re-signing Kerley. The team would be infinitely better off today (or last year) with a bunch of extra $2-3M/player backups and depth who they could have afforded to have around for 3-4 seasons for the same spend from 2014, instead of a system of super high paid players and their league-minimum and low draft pick/UDFA type backups who now must pan out. Further, Bowles then maybe (or likely) didn't give the needed attention and playing time to his youngsters. So now that we're supposedly contenders with higher expectations for 2016 than 2015, who is going to step in as starter? Is Williams the clear-cut starter? We know Bowles preferred a bad Cromartie to him. How many snaps did Milliner get on defense in 2015? Zero? What message does that send to these younger players, that no matter how badly the veteran starter is playing, he won't get benched if he's the coach's pet. Don't you think that affects how well they play and how much effort they put forth? I do. All of this is a cascade of events due to one bad signing at the behest of the HC who doesn't want to look bad by benching his hand-picked $8M CB. Another Milliner? Seriously he couldn't finish the season in a very reduced role... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you want to say agree to disagree, then you don't then go making an argument after saying so . When a team has 3 young CBs on the roster, then you add the signing of a $16-17M per year CB in Revis and a $6M/year NB/CB in Skrine and a $5M/year CB/FS in Gilchrist, and pair them up with a high-talent 2nd year 1st round pick moving back to his proper place at SS, it means you don't need to sign another 31 year old CB at $8M unless you just can't coach up any of 3 young corners who aren't all totally devoid of talent themselves. If he needed - or felt he needed - Cromartie after being handed all those other guys first, it should be some cause for concern. If you need to sign Cromartie after all that, then it's tantamount to admitting the money you're throwing at the other 3 new pickups wasn't worth what you're getting. Or admitting the HC doesn't believe in his ability to coach up youngsters. It's not like he's truly coaching half the team all week long. They admitted themselves that he meets with his OC to start the week after the last game, then they go their separate ways as Bowles doesn't touch or have much input into the offense after that. So if he's so focused on the defense - and he does have a DC as well - then he shouldn't have felt he needed Cromartie with all that already in his secondary. A wasted deal like this one to Cromartie doesn't just live in the past because the accounting seems to work out that it doesn't affect 2016 or beyond. A bad deal this size always hurts because those $ resources were put to bad use instead of good use. Particularly for a team that got so close to the playoffs and who clearly could have used another player or 2 that would have made a bigger and better positive impact than Cromartie, who was terrible. It's not a one year wash-away; that $8M could have been pushed forward to this year. Just like Idzik didn't sign a lot of good young FAs but he threw over $20M at CJ0.7K, Michael Vick, Percy Harvin, and re-signing Kerley. The team would be infinitely better off today (or last year) with a bunch of extra $2-3M/player backups and depth who they could have afforded to have around for 3-4 seasons for the same spend from 2014, instead of a system of super high paid players and their league-minimum and low draft pick/UDFA type backups who now must pan out. Further, Bowles then maybe (or likely) didn't give the needed attention and playing time to his youngsters. So now that we're supposedly contenders with higher expectations for 2016 than 2015, who is going to step in as starter? Is Williams the clear-cut starter? We know Bowles preferred a bad Cromartie to him. How many snaps did Milliner get on defense in 2015? Zero? What message does that send to these younger players, that no matter how badly the veteran starter is playing, he won't get benched if he's the coach's pet. Don't you think that affects how well they play and how much effort they put forth? I do. All of this is a cascade of events due to one bad signing at the behest of the HC who doesn't want to look bad by benching his hand-picked $8M CB. What a crock! Admitting he can't coach youngsters? How bout the fact those youngsters have proven without a doubt that they can't stay on the field. Milliner tore his Achilles the prior season. That's not an easy injury to come back from. He has missed so many games it's not even fair to call him a football player anymore. And McDougle? McDougle sucks. Period. Drafting him as high as they did when the kid missed practically his entire college career was just idiotic. He wasn't NFL ready and he's still not. Cro didn't work out. It happens sometimes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 42 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: If you want to say agree to disagree, then you don't then go making an argument after saying so . When a team has 3 young CBs on the roster, then you add the signing of a $16-17M per year CB in Revis and a $6M/year NB/CB in Skrine and a $5M/year CB/FS in Gilchrist, and pair them up with a high-talent 2nd year 1st round pick moving back to his proper place at SS, it means you don't need to sign another 31 year old CB at $8M unless you just can't coach up any of 3 young corners who aren't all totally devoid of talent themselves. If he needed - or felt he needed - Cromartie after being handed all those other guys first, it should be some cause for concern. If you need to sign Cromartie after all that, then it's tantamount to admitting the money you're throwing at the other 3 new pickups wasn't worth what you're getting. Or admitting the HC doesn't believe in his ability to coach up youngsters. It's not like he's truly coaching half the team all week long. They admitted themselves that he meets with his OC to start the week after the last game, then they go their separate ways as Bowles doesn't touch or have much input into the offense after that. So if he's so focused on the defense - and he does have a DC as well - then he shouldn't have felt he needed Cromartie with all that already in his secondary. A wasted deal like this one to Cromartie doesn't just live in the past because the accounting seems to work out that it doesn't affect 2016 or beyond. A bad deal this size always hurts because those $ resources were put to bad use instead of good use. Particularly for a team that got so close to the playoffs and who clearly could have used another player or 2 that would have made a bigger and better positive impact than Cromartie, who was terrible. It's not a one year wash-away; that $8M could have been pushed forward to this year. Just like Idzik didn't sign a lot of good young FAs but he threw over $20M at CJ0.7K, Michael Vick, Percy Harvin, and re-signing Kerley. The team would be infinitely better off today (or last year) with a bunch of extra $2-3M/player backups and depth who they could have afforded to have around for 3-4 seasons for the same spend from 2014, instead of a system of super high paid players and their league-minimum and low draft pick/UDFA type backups who now must pan out. Further, Bowles then maybe (or likely) didn't give the needed attention and playing time to his youngsters. So now that we're supposedly contenders with higher expectations for 2016 than 2015, who is going to step in as starter? Is Williams the clear-cut starter? We know Bowles preferred a bad Cromartie to him. How many snaps did Milliner get on defense in 2015? Zero? What message does that send to these younger players, that no matter how badly the veteran starter is playing, he won't get benched if he's the coach's pet. Don't you think that affects how well they play and how much effort they put forth? I do. All of this is a cascade of events due to one bad signing at the behest of the HC who doesn't want to look bad by benching his hand-picked $8M CB. While I understand your points, McDougle and Millner were serious question marks coming into the season last year, and for good reason, Mac and Bowles were right. At the end of the day, either Mac can identify talent, and Bowles can develop it, or not. This signing in the grand scheme of things will have very little to no bearing on the future of the team. If any of the young guys were any good, and Bowles/Mac were not able to identify them, we have a bigger problem than the wasted cap space from this deal, which I do believe was not as big as you are making it out to be, because they would have signed someone. I did not like the signing, but I also understand that Bowles, like most other coaches, like to bring in guys who have played in their system in the past, and Cro for better or worse, fit that bill, and in hindsight, I don't know who else was available that filled a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: If you want to say agree to disagree, then you don't then go making an argument after saying so . When a team has 3 young CBs on the roster, then you add the signing of a $16-17M per year CB in Revis and a $6M/year NB/CB in Skrine and a $5M/year CB/FS in Gilchrist, and pair them up with a high-talent 2nd year 1st round pick moving back to his proper place at SS, it means you don't need to sign another 31 year old CB at $8M unless you just can't coach up any of 3 young corners who aren't all totally devoid of talent themselves. If he needed - or felt he needed - Cromartie after being handed all those other guys first, it should be some cause for concern. If you need to sign Cromartie after all that, then it's tantamount to admitting the money you're throwing at the other 3 new pickups wasn't worth what you're getting. Or admitting the HC doesn't believe in his ability to coach up youngsters. It's not like he's truly coaching half the team all week long. They admitted themselves that he meets with his OC to start the week after the last game, then they go their separate ways as Bowles doesn't touch or have much input into the offense after that. So if he's so focused on the defense - and he does have a DC as well - then he shouldn't have felt he needed Cromartie with all that already in his secondary. A wasted deal like this one to Cromartie doesn't just live in the past because the accounting seems to work out that it doesn't affect 2016 or beyond. A bad deal this size always hurts because those $ resources were put to bad use instead of good use. Particularly for a team that got so close to the playoffs and who clearly could have used another player or 2 that would have made a bigger and better positive impact than Cromartie, who was terrible. It's not a one year wash-away; that $8M could have been pushed forward to this year. Just like Idzik didn't sign a lot of good young FAs but he threw over $20M at CJ0.7K, Michael Vick, Percy Harvin, and re-signing Kerley. The team would be infinitely better off today (or last year) with a bunch of extra $2-3M/player backups and depth who they could have afforded to have around for 3-4 seasons for the same spend from 2014, instead of a system of super high paid players and their league-minimum and low draft pick/UDFA type backups who now must pan out. Further, Bowles then maybe (or likely) didn't give the needed attention and playing time to his youngsters. So now that we're supposedly contenders with higher expectations for 2016 than 2015, who is going to step in as starter? Is Williams the clear-cut starter? We know Bowles preferred a bad Cromartie to him. How many snaps did Milliner get on defense in 2015? Zero? What message does that send to these younger players, that no matter how badly the veteran starter is playing, he won't get benched if he's the coach's pet. Don't you think that affects how well they play and how much effort they put forth? I do. All of this is a cascade of events due to one bad signing at the behest of the HC who doesn't want to look bad by benching his hand-picked $8M CB. 1. Cro (especially when healthy) had a pretty good year 2. Even with Cro getting beat the defense played pretty well 3. Sure, he can coach up the young, but it takes more than 2 minutes (let's just play Petty - why even sign Fitz - what a waste - they should just coach him up) 4. 8 million for a good CB is not ridiculous - sure compare him to harvin if you want, but it is a stretch; he probably wanted the 8 million for a year rental deal 5. Hindsight is 20/20, but still not a bad plan considering the number of DBs that were hurt last year. 6. Yeah, just play the youngsters; then when the Jets are 1-6 whine that Bowles can't win; it takes a while to train up players; just imagine the outrage when the young secondary is getting beat with Cro on the bench - you thought the whining we had to deal with when Kerley didn't get to play. Too funny. Cro was too expensive to keep; I don't have a problem with that, but to go back and over analyze this one move is just silly. Look what happened to the Rex defense when he didn't have enough players from his system this year. There is a reason coaches take players (even past prime and not great - Scott, Leanard) when they go to a new team. Knowledge of the scheme and getting the locker room to buy in is just as important as play making skills. You can't always just plug a new guy in and everything works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: While I understand your points, McDougle and Millner were serious question marks coming into the season last year, and for good reason, Mac and Bowles were right. At the end of the day, either Mac can identify talent, and Bowles can develop it, or not. This signing in the grand scheme of things will have very little to no bearing on the future of the team. If any of the young guys were any good, and Bowles/Mac were not able to identify them, we have a bigger problem than the wasted cap space from this deal, which I do believe was not as big as you are making it out to be, because they would have signed someone. I did not like the signing, but I also understand that Bowles, like most other coaches, like to bring in guys who have played in their system in the past, and Cro for better or worse, fit that bill, and in hindsight, I don't know who else was available that filled a need. Thanks. You said it so much better than I could. Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 17 hours ago, New York Mick said: He'll end up in NE or Buffalo. My bet is Miami with Tanny there. They have nobody at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: My bet is Miami with Tanny there. They have nobody at CB. I could see that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well I tooks like we had bad timing with Cro- we let him leave and he had a good year with Cardinals, we bring him back and he was not very good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I would expect to see Marcus Williams promoted to starter. He should get a good chance to win the job. But he has to prove to Bowles he can play consistently (and better than Cro). But Dee Milliner could be the surprise factor here. Don't count him out. He is below Marcus on the depth chart now but it will be interesting to see if he can stay healthy and if so what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 8 hours ago, Powpow said: Baloney. Revis ALWAYS checked the #1 WR, thus allowing Cro to check the #2. If he was 'elite' as he thinks, then he should have had no trouble shutting down the opposing team's #2. Fact is, he was overrated and was never really a very good corner to begin with. That's the problem with Jets fans. We were spoiled with Revis. Check out WR stats this year compared to 20 years ago. 26 guys had over 1k receiving yards this year. With some getting close to 2k. I never said Cro was elite, but compared to most teams number 2 CB, he was very good. Sure he got beat, 99pct of corners get beat. It's not like Julio Jones amassed 130 catches and 1,800 yards of receiving against 1 bad corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Cro had one very very good year for us and was full credit for being a great CB, he has had two pretty bad ones lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Jetmech said: Milliner? Milliner is due $4 mil guaranteed this year. On top of Revis and Skrine, it's just too much to pay Cromartie also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 40 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: That's the problem with Jets fans. We were spoiled with Revis. Check out WR stats this year compared to 20 years ago. 26 guys had over 1k receiving yards this year. With some getting close to 2k. I never said Cro was elite, but compared to most teams number 2 CB, he was very good. Sure he got beat, 99pct of corners get beat. It's not like Julio Jones amassed 130 catches and 1,800 yards of receiving against 1 bad corner. That's just simply not true. Cro was below average for most of the season. He had a few bright spot games, but for the majority of 2015, he was the worst player in the Jets secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: That's just simply not true. Cro was below average for most of the season. He had a few bright spot games, but for the majority of 2015, he was the worst player in the Jets secondary. That's true of last year but generally not true of his career as a whole. On many teams 2010-2012 he could have been a #1 CB. The problem is that he's run so hot and cold over 2012-2015. I think he's had a problematic injury in 2013 that was reinjured this year. He's a guy who plays heavily on his athleticism so when that's impaired he's a considerably less impressive CB. He's not worth another year on that contract for that reason. Maybe he's good in 2016 but at that price it's not worth the risk of another 2015 especially with the depth behind him. Maybe there is a plan to bring him back at a price that reflects his 2015 performance but I think he could find a little more money elsewhere if he is open to leaving again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Trading for Cromartie and pairing him with pre-FA Revis was one of the few clever things the Jets did this decade. The window wasn't open long, but the Jets pissed it away as they do most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Cro was below average for most of the season. He had a few bright spot games, but for the majority of 2015, he was the worst player in the Jets secondary. This is a true statement. To think that he is going to play any better in 2016 is silly. That being the case, why would we want him in a D backfield where our "star" is fading in what seems to be half-lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said: That's just simply not true. Cro was below average for most of the season. He had a few bright spot games, but for the majority of 2015, he was the worst player in the Jets secondary. He was very good, OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER. Sorry for not being clear enough for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 23 hours ago, southparkcpa said: He will be resigned at a low price or he will play elsewhere. Child support calls and he is still better than many at the position. Has about 1 more year left IMO. The problem is he's actually not better than many at the position. He's in the lower tier of CB's right now . His technique still sucks, he's still susceptible to the double move, he refuses to tackle players running right at him and at his age and injury history he no longer has the speed to make up for his dreadful mistakes. Its possible the Jets keep him on for a very low salary to take a look in TC to see if his hip will respond and if he has any speed left but I think the odds are against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: The problem is he's actually not better than many at the position. He's in the lower tier of CB's right now . His technique still sucks, he's still susceptible to the double move, he refuses to tackle players running right at him and at his age and injury history he no longer has the speed to make up for his dreadful mistakes. Its possible the Jets keep him on for a very low salary to take a look in TC to see if his hip will respond and if he has any speed left but I think the odds are against him. Cro is in the lower tier of starting CB's but not of CB's in general. He will have a one year deal within 2 weeks. The raiders and bengals need a CB. The jags need a CB and have $75 million in cap room. He will be fine. those 3 teams will offer better money than the jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 24 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Cro is in the lower tier of starting CB's but not of CB's in general. He will have a one year deal within 2 weeks. The raiders and bengals need a CB. The jags need a CB and have $75 million in cap room. He will be fine. those 3 teams will offer better money than the jets good for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 When we resign Cromartie , we pay him in Pampers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 hours ago, drdetroit said: Cro is in the lower tier of starting CB's but not of CB's in general. He will have a one year deal within 2 weeks. The raiders and bengals need a CB. The jags need a CB and have $75 million in cap room. He will be fine. those 3 teams will offer better money than the jets The Raiders need to come away with the best starting CB they can find in Fa( Cromartie at best should be no better than your fourth best CB. No team especially with 79 million is bringing Cromartie in to start for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 11 hours ago, BowlesMovement said: While I understand your points, McDougle and Millner were serious question marks coming into the season last year, and for good reason, Mac and Bowles were right. At the end of the day, either Mac can identify talent, and Bowles can develop it, or not. This signing in the grand scheme of things will have very little to no bearing on the future of the team. If any of the young guys were any good, and Bowles/Mac were not able to identify them, we have a bigger problem than the wasted cap space from this deal, which I do believe was not as big as you are making it out to be, because they would have signed someone. I did not like the signing, but I also understand that Bowles, like most other coaches, like to bring in guys who have played in their system in the past, and Cro for better or worse, fit that bill, and in hindsight, I don't know who else was available that filled a need. The other concern is he wasn't even that good a year prior and Bowles still wanted him so badly we paid him at the same rate as he got when he was in his prime. When you're unsure of what else you have, you can bring in a stopgap. When you have 3 youngsters, all with talent, you don't bring in someone whose salary is so high that it relegates anyone else to the bench so the HC who insisted on bringing him in in the first place doesn't end up with mud on his face. I think it was overkill and unnecessary. Again, when you spend that much on Revis, Skrine, Gilchrist, and have Pryor as well, AND 3 young kids with talent, you shouldn't need to go out and spend $8M on yet another CB. Having all that talent in one area is supposed to mean you don't need to pile on even more resources in that area and can spread it out to another area that needs it more (OL, LB, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Snell41 said: What a crock! Admitting he can't coach youngsters? How bout the fact those youngsters have proven without a doubt that they can't stay on the field. Milliner tore his Achilles the prior season. That's not an easy injury to come back from. He has missed so many games it's not even fair to call him a football player anymore. And McDougle? McDougle sucks. Period. Drafting him as high as they did when the kid missed practically his entire college career was just idiotic. He wasn't NFL ready and he's still not. Cro didn't work out. It happens sometimes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If they were so bad and so unreliable then trade them for conditional picks because they're wasting roster spots. It's either one or the other, not both. Cro was a massive overreach at an area the team already had heavier investments than any other team in the NFL even without Cromartie. And I said he may not believe in his ability to coach up youngsters, not admitting he can't coach youngsters as you put it. It isn't the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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