sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: One average season and one below average season, oh noes. The guy fell apart. Let's trade our best player for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, rillo said: We just watched a super bowl with a QB that couldn't throw worth sh*t. Give me a legit running game, a defense that can tackle and get to the QB and Fitz can win. Are you actually comparing Fitz to Manning................ Fitz 10 years in the league never sniffed a playoff game,Manning 2 Super Bowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, sourceworx said: The guy fell apart. Let's trade our best player for him. That's one narrative, and not to late to come back together. So is your issue with Kaepernick the imaginary trade cost or the recent drop in performance? I'm confused. There's alot of room between no on trading the team's beat player for him and an outright no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: So is your issue with Kaepernick the imaginary trade cost or the recent drop in performance? I'm confused. Both. If he were a free agent, and could be had at a reasonable price, then sure bring him in and let him compete. But if you're going trade anything of real value for him, while also eating up a big chunk of cap space, then no friggin' way. I'm not convinced that 2012 was anything more than an aberration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Both. If he were a free agent, and could be had at a reasonable price, then sure bring him in and let him compete. But if you're going trade anything of real value for him, while also eating up a big chunk of cap space, then no friggin' way. I'm not convinced that 2012 was anything more than an aberration. Why wouldn't you trade anything of value for a franchise QB dont you want to win. Lets offer San Fran Clyde Gates for Kaep in your logic.......jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Both. If he were a free agent, and could be had at a reasonable price, then sure bring him in and let him compete. But if you're going trade anything of real value for him, while also eating up a big chunk of cap space, then no friggin' way. I'm not convinced that 2012 was anything more than an aberration. What's a reasonable price for a still young QB with two top 10 passer seasons under his belt as well as two deep playoff runs, including a SB appearance? 2012 was followed up by a better indiviudal performance in 2013 that resulted in a 12-4 record and two more playoff wins. Pretty much any NFL contract is malleable enough that a mid-tier priced contract for a still young former elite QB is something that can be worked with or around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Does anybody really want the Jets to take on that contract. It would be pretty crazy for a guy who is coming off of a bad year. All of the mistakes pointed out by Fitz detractors can be doubled when you discuss Kap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 He can ask all he wants ; he AIN'T going nowhere !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Does anybody really want the Jets to take on that contract. It would be pretty crazy for a guy who is coming off of a bad year. All of the mistakes pointed out by Fitz detractors can be doubled when you discuss Kap. His contract is crazy but how about if he wins us a Super Bowl would you pay him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 For the "potential" I think a 2017 conditional 3rd is a fair price. If this guy has one of his top 10 years again with the talent we can give him then I think it's fair to escalate it to a 1st. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, no psls said: He can ask all he wants ; he AIN'T going nowhere !! We can argue all day about this guy, but the post above is the truth of the matter. That contract makes him virtually untradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 26 minutes ago, SenorGato said: What's a reasonable price for a still young QB with two top 10 passer seasons under his belt as well as two deep playoff runs, including a SB appearance? 2012 was followed up by a better indiviudal performance in 2013 that resulted in a 12-4 record and two more playoff wins. Pretty much any NFL contract is malleable enough that a mid-tier priced contract for a still young former elite QB is something that can be worked with or around. A midround pick. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, sourceworx said: A midround pick. Nothing more. For a FA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 56 minutes ago, sourceworx said: And what's he done since he was figured out, and the foundation of their defense imploded? I'll wait for the answer. Well it was a whole year under a HC who was shltcanned for sucking. Not even a whole season actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: That's what they call a choke job. 3 pix when it counts. Pretty much equal to John Starks against the Rockets in '94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetdawgg said: That's what they call a choke job. 3 pix when it counts. Pretty much equal to John Starks against the Rockets in '94 Geno Smith does it in a meaningless game and the place implodes,Fitz apologists make excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 30 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Why wouldn't you trade anything of value for a franchise QB dont you want to win. Lets offer San Fran Clyde Gates for Kaep in your logic.......jeez That's the thing, I don't believe he is a franchise QB. I think he was a flash in the pan. So yes, I'm not willing to give up a top draft pick, or one of our best players for him. Couple that with his insane contract, and I don't see the value in not being able to sign other good players because of him, because I don't think he's anywhere near the player that you think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, SenorGato said: For a FA? Who? Mo if he's franchised? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, sourceworx said: That's the thing, I don't believe he is a franchise QB. I think he was a flash in the pan. So yes, I'm not willing to give up a top draft pick, or one of our best players for him. Couple that with his insane contract, and I don't see the value in not being able to sign other good players because of him, because I don't think he's anywhere near the player that you think he is. I know for a fact he's 100x better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: I know for a fact he's 100x better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. He wasn't last year. And Fitz was had for a conditional 7th last year. So what does that tell you about Kaep's worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Geno Smith does it in a meaningless game and the place implodes,Fitz apologists make excuses. A great deal that post here do not understand the game. Go get Kap Mac. The best chance the Jets have for a SB anytime soon. Changes the dynamics in the AFCE. May be able to get a new LT and RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: A great deal that post here do not understand the game. Go get Kap Mac. The best chance the Jets have for a SB anytime soon. Changes the dynamics in the AFCE. May be able to get a new LT and RT. Exactly or keep sniffing Brady and Belichicks jock straps because Fitzpatrick isn't unseating them in the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 By the way, he asked permission to seek a trade. Did the 49ers give it to him????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Who? Mo if he's franchised? No. No, you mentioned a scenario where Kaepernick is a FA. What kind of contract does he get as a FA? I ask because a team trading for him isn't locked into any bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: Are you actually comparing Fitz to Manning................ Fitz 10 years in the league never sniffed a playoff game,Manning 2 Super Bowls Manning just trent dilfer'd his way to a super bowl this year. Manning has been feasting on a horrible division for decades, definitely should have more Superbowls. I'm not comparing them, but this talk of Fitzpatrick can't win is foolish, but he has to have the perfect storm team wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, rillo said: Manning just trent dilfer'd his way to a super bowl this year. Manning has been feasting on a horrible division for decades, definitely should have more Superbowls. Trent Dilfer at least contributed, Manning did absolutely nothing. if only we had a 2015 Broncos type D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Trent Dilfer at least contributed, Manning did absolutely nothing. if only we had a 2015 Broncos type D? Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, SenorGato said: No, you mentioned a scenario where Kaepernick is a FA. What kind of contract does he get as a FA? I ask because a team trading for him isn't locked into any bonuses. If he's released, then take a chance on him. He isn't going to cost anywhere near what he'll cost in a trade. Unless I'm wrong, his cap number under his current contract is $15-16 million this year, then jumps to almost $20 million next year. That will prohibit the team from making a lot of other moves. If he was a sure thing, you absolutely go for him. But he isn't. And I think the last two years are more of an indication of what he is as opposed to the two before that. He's a great athlete, but not a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, sourceworx said: If he's released, then take a chance on him. He isn't going to cost anywhere near what he'll cost in a trade. Unless I'm wrong, his cap number under his current contract is $15-16 million this year, then jumps to almost $20 million next year. That will prohibit the team from making a lot of other moves. If he was a sure thing, you absolutely go for him. But he isn't. And I think the last two years are more of an indication of what he is as opposed to the previous two. He's a great athlete, but not a great QB. A team trading for him owes him 26.4 over the next two years, none garaunteed. That said, none of this answers the FA price question. What does a FA QB at his age with his past level of performance get? I think it's around what a team trading for him is taking on anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 People actually still think this guy is good? Lolz So you would rather have an 11-year, journeyman QB, with zero upside who has never played in a single playoff game? That's the kind of thinking that creates a 47-year Super Bowl drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said: A great deal that post here do not understand the game. Go get Kap Mac. The best chance the Jets have for a SB anytime soon. Changes the dynamics in the AFCE. May be able to get a new LT and RT. How does acquiring via trade a QB that will cost not only assets but also more against the cap that Fitz would, help the Jets get a new LT or RT? They'd have less money and less draft picks to do so with by your own logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: A team trading for him owes him 26.4 over the next two years, none garaunteed. That said, none of this answers my FA price question. What's Fitz going to command? That's what I'd pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: His contract is crazy but how about if he wins us a Super Bowl would you pay him then. Hey sure. But that's a pretty big "if" for that kind of money. Didn't many of the 49ers players want Gabbert as their starter over Kap. And Jets players want Fitz. Not a good gamble imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Rangers9 said: Hey sure. But that's a pretty bif "if" for that kind of money. Didn't many of the 49ers players want Gabbert as their starter over Kap. And Jets players want Fitz. Not a good gamble imo. The 49ers organization is in shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: How does acquiring via trade a QB that will cost not only assets but also more against the cap that Fitz would, help the Jets get a new LT or RT? They'd have less money and less draft picks to do so with by your own logic. You don't really believe in that Math mumbo jumbo do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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