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With free agency approaching (March 9), we're analyzing the biggest needs on the New York Jets' roster, examining possible upgrades:

Position: Offensive line

2016 cap hits of top returnees (offensive-line rank/average per year):

D'Brickashaw Ferguson -- $14.1 million (4/245)

James Carpenter -- $5.6 million (42/245)

Nick Mangold -- $8.6 million (46/245)

Brian Winters -- $1.9 million (147/245)

Breno Giacomini -- $5.6 million (43/245)

Brent Qvale -- $525,000 (220/245)

Wesley Johnson -- $600,000 (213/245)

Pending free agents: Willie Colon, Ben Ijalana.

Key stat: Pass protection wasn't a problem last season. The Jets were pressured on only 23 percent of their dropbacks, the sixth-best mark in the NFL, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

Money matters: The entire offensive line is counting $38.6 million on the cap, making it the most expensive line in the NFL. It's hard to justify that, considering not a single player made the Pro Bowl. ... Ferguson is a prime candidate to have his contract re-worked. His bloated cap number includes a $1 million roster bonus and a $750,000 workout bonus. Mangold, too, has a large bonus -- $2.4 million. ... Carpenter's $4.45 million base salary becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the league year, March 11. He had a strong season; he's not going anywhere.

Big picture: All five starters are under contract, three of whom are over 30 -- Ferguson, Mangold and Giacomini. It's a solid, if not overpowering, line. General manager Mike Maccagnan said at the end of the season that he'd like to keep the starting unit intact while adding developmental players to the pipeline. Let's face it, the Jets have done a lousy job of drafting offensive linemen in recent years, so there's not much quality depth. The best of the backups is Qvale, a former undrafted free agent who could push for a starting job at right guard or right tackle.

Free-agent market watch: Kelechi Osemele (G), Brandon Brooks (G),Richie Incognito (G), Alex Boone (G), Mitchell Schwartz (RT), Andre Smith(RT), Ben Jones (C/G), Ramon Foster (G), Russell Okung (LT), Alex Mack(C).

The game plan: Maccagnan probably would love to sign Brooks, whom he helped draft in Houston, but he will be too rich for the Jets' budget. So will every player on the aforementioned list. Chances are, the Jets will look to sign minimum-salary vets to create competition in camp and bolster the depth, relying heavily on the draft as well. In the unlikely event they swing the wrecking ball, it's important to know that Ferguson ($9.1 million savings), Mangold ($8.6 million) and Giacomini ($4.4 million) can be released with minimal cap ramifications.

>    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/58739/jets-could-take-wrecking-ball-to-aging-o-line-if-they-so-choose

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Rich Cimini    ESPN Staff Writer 

With RT Brandon Shell (knee) expected to miss the final two games, the Jets signed RT Eric Smith off the Patriots' practice squad. He will be on the Jets' 53. He was an undrafted free agent out of Virginia in 2017 and made the Dolphins' roster before a stint on injured reserve. He was cut at the end of the 2018 preseason and landed on the Patriots' practice squad. WR Rishard Matthews (hamstring) was placed on IR.

>  http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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Rich Cimini  ESPN Staff Writer 

RT Brandon Shell underwent knee surgery today and is home recovering. Todd Bowles didn't reveal the exact injury, saying it's "too complicated" to explain. "I wasn't a medical major," he said. He said it's beyond the typical ACL/MCL/PCL injury. He said no timetable has been set. This could impact Shell's availability for next training camp — which would be a blow for the Jets because he's a young player with starting experience. This could influence how they approach the off-season roster repair.

  >  http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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remember when people thought Dbrick was overpaid 

pepperidge farm remembers 

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4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

remember when people thought Dbrick was overpaid 

pepperidge farm remembers 

Yeah, at the end he absolutely was overpaid. You think he was worth a $14.1MM hit in 2016, after his career-worst 2015 season that played a major part in missing the playoffs, and after getting steadily worse for years? If he was, then multiple other teams would have ponied up $10MM/year or more for a suddenly-available starting LT to buy him out of retirement. Nobody did. 

The crime was a team with this as a known goal waiting until after Okung signed with Denver for just $5MM for the year, and then after signing nobody, giving Brick an ultimatum to cut his salary in half in April. He wouldn't accept it, so whether he retired or was cut the outcome was identical. 

The crime was expecting the Consistent LT Fairy to just hand him one for a late round pick, and never having to select an OLman higher than round 5 in 4 out of 4 drafts. 

After years of this draft guru playing GM, by far the team's best and most consistent OLman in 2018 was drafted by freaking John Idzik back in 2013. Let that sink in. 

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6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

 The crime was expecting the Consistent LT Fairy to just hand him one for a late round pick, and never having to select an OLman higher than round 5 in 4 out of 4 drafts. 

After years of this draft guru playing GM, by far the team's best and most consistent OLman in 2018 was drafted by freaking John Idzik back in 2013. Let that sink in. 

 

Players like DBrickashaw Ferguson don't come out of college at the same rate they used to. or at all even. 

the man had a unique skillset including wingspan and agility which we just don't see anymore in high end LT prospects. There aren't any Tyron Smiths or Trent Williams anymore either.  

the Jets can't take Dbrick rd 1 cause there are no more Dbrick's

let that sink in 

 

 

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On 12/21/2018 at 10:24 AM, kelly said:

Rich Cimini  ESPN Staff Writer 

RT Brandon Shell underwent knee surgery today and is home recovering. Todd Bowles didn't reveal the exact injury, saying it's "too complicated" to explain. "I wasn't a medical major," he said. He said it's beyond the typical ACL/MCL/PCL injury. He said no timetable has been set. This could impact Shell's availability for next training camp — which would be a blow for the Jets because he's a young player with starting experience. This could influence how they approach the off-season roster repair.

  >  http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

They may want to consider getting or drafting an LT and moving Beachum to RT.

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1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Players like DBrickashaw Ferguson don't come out of college at the same rate they used to. or at all even. 

the man had a unique skillset including wingspan and agility which we just don't see anymore in high end LT prospects. There aren't any Tyron Smiths or Trent Williams anymore either.  

the Jets can't take Dbrick rd 1 cause there are no more Dbrick's

let that sink in 

 

 

So the solution is not to try to draft a LT at all?  Just keep guys who are on the decline and do nothing to try to address it?

Jake Matthews has been pretty good for Atlanta.  As has Taylor Lewan in Tennessee.  Both first round picks in 2014.

Ronnie Stanley, Laremy Tunsil, and Taylor Decker have been solid as well.  First round picks in 2016. 

No, maybe there aren't any D'Brickashaw Ferguson's anymore.  But there are still franchise LT's to be found, and the Jets have had chances at several of those guys, and passed. 

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27 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Players like DBrickashaw Ferguson don't come out of college at the same rate they used to. or at all even. 

the man had a unique skillset including wingspan and agility which we just don't see anymore in high end LT prospects. There aren't any Tyron Smiths or Trent Williams anymore either.  

the Jets can't take Dbrick rd 1 cause there are no more Dbrick's

let that sink in 

 

 

2016 Ferguson is the player who was cut, not the one who came into the league a decade earlier. For some reason you won't accept this.

Even in 2018 - after 2 more compounded years of salary inflation - his $14.1MM cap hit would have been #3 in the NFL. 

No one was paying that. I give Maccagnan credit for recognizing this, but the kooky way he did it removes the underlying positive. 

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So the solution is not to try to draft a LT at all?  Just keep guys who are on the decline and do nothing to try to address it?

Jake Matthews has been pretty good for Atlanta.  As has Taylor Lewan in Tennessee.  Both first round picks in 2014.

Ronnie Stanley, Laremy Tunsil, and Taylor Decker have been solid as well.  First round picks in 2016. 

No, maybe there aren't any D'Brickashaw Ferguson's anymore.  But there are still franchise LT's to be found, and the Jets have had chances at several of those guys, and passed. 

I think the Jets would have taken any of the guys in 2016.  We picked too late, because of the desperation push in 2015.

We also picked too late in 2014 to get Lewan or Matthews.  Picked Pryor over James, who we could see again.

I believe it is a Johnson-ism not to draft players high when the position is already under expensive contract.  

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On 1/18/2019 at 1:21 PM, varjet said:

I think the Jets would have taken any of the guys in 2016.  We picked too late, because of the desperation push in 2015.

We also picked too late in 2014 to get Lewan or Matthews.  Picked Pryor over James, who we could see again.

I believe it is a Johnson-ism not to draft players high when the position is already under expensive contract.  

The fact is there is not a GM in the nfl who values the OLine less than mac. Has not picked a OL before the 6 round in 4 years. I would be shocked if you could say same about any other gm. Especially considering it was a weakness when he was hired. He only wants to sign the OLine who will come cheap. He actually believes Oline is not important,  That is the only rationale for his actions.

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On 1/18/2019 at 10:57 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah, at the end he absolutely was overpaid. You think he was worth a $14.1MM hit in 2016, after his career-worst 2015 season that played a major part in missing the playoffs, and after getting steadily worse for years? If he was, then multiple other teams would have ponied up $10MM/year or more for a suddenly-available starting LT to buy him out of retirement. Nobody did. 

The crime was a team with this as a known goal waiting until after Okung signed with Denver for just $5MM for the year, and then after signing nobody, giving Brick an ultimatum to cut his salary in half in April. He wouldn't accept it, so whether he retired or was cut the outcome was identical. 

The crime was expecting the Consistent LT Fairy to just hand him one for a late round pick, and never having to select an OLman higher than round 5 in 4 out of 4 drafts. 

After years of this draft guru playing GM, by far the team's best and most consistent OLman in 2018 was drafted by freaking John Idzik back in 2013. Let that sink in. 

Repent Macc Repent to save your immoral soul.

 

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Rich Cimini    ESPN Staff Writer 

The Jets' offensive-line overhaul is underway with the news that C/G Spencer Long has been released. Long can be a decent backup because of his experience and versatility, but his cap charge ($6.5 million) was too high for that role. Adam Gase witnessed Long's lowpoint. Who can forget his snapping misadventures last year in the Miami game? The Jets will be looking for new starters at center, left guard and perhaps left tackle. GM Mike Maccagnan is 0-for-2 at center, having whiffed on Long and Wesley Johnson as potential Nick Mangold replacements. Maybe this time he'll get it right.

>    http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets 

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26 minutes ago, kelly said:

Jets offensive line is ‘a work in progress,’ which isn’t great news for Sam Darnold

>        https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-jets-offensive-line-20190328-p5qb3whmefhpxcqyvx5kpge2zu-story.html 

Lol. It was a “ work in progress “ for quite some time now. Johnsons will probably give Mac 1 more yr after this to fix it, or they will bring in someone at gm  who can 

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19 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Lol. It was a “ work in progress “ for quite some time now. Johnsons will probably give Mac 1 more yr after this to fix it, or they will bring in someone at gm  who can 

Agreed.. 2 more yrs MAX  😏

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..well,.. he is kinda cute   :rolleyes:

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Chuma Edoga was meant to be a New York Jet.

A third-round pick by the Jets in the 2019 NFL draft out of USC, Edoga will provide some depth on the offensive line. But before Edoga even attended college, he was already working with the greatest Jet of all-time, Joe Namath.

Edoga attended a football camp hosted by Joe Namath and fellow ex-Jet John Dockery in 2012. He was 14 at the time and just a freshman in high school. The camp offered kids between the ages of 8 and 18 instruction from numerous pros.Whatever Namath was teaching at that camp must have helped Edoga in the future. Edoga started at USC for two years as a right tackle and was named to the All-Pac 12 Second-Team. He never allowed a sack in college and was one of the most dominant pass blockers in the nation.

Perhaps, seven years later, Namath remembered Edoga as a 14-year-old and recommended the Jets draft him. Either way, it’s a funny coincidence that Edoga attended that camp and ended up being drafted by the Jets.

Now, look out for a reunion between Edoga and Broadway Joe.

>    https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/chuma-edoga-joe-namath-jets-2019-nfl-draft/

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For Sam Darnold's sake, I really hope Edoga pans out and can start at RT right away.  If he can, and Osmele shows that last year was not the start of a long-term trend for him, the OL will be better this year, if not an actual team strength.

 

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As our OL Coach came from the Bengals here’s 2 names to keep an eye on

Bengals on the roster bubble after 2019 NFL draft

Clint Boling, OL
Boling could end up being a surprise cut. Jonah Williams could mean Cordy Glenn has to move around and Michael Jordan could steal a starting gig outright. Rather than paying Boling, the Bengals might look to move him while he still has value.
 
Christian Westerman, OL
Same story for Westerman. He's got a segment of the fanbase wanting to see him playing more. But coaches have passed on the idea for years and just drafted two high-profile rookies.
 

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