Ryan Fitzpatrick: MERGED

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, Rangers9 said:

A contract negotiation isn't supposed to be an MMA event. Where you have to be the tough guy and crush the opponent. And a six month take it or leave it doesn't exactly sound smart if you want to have relationship with a player. I assume the org wants to be on friendly terms with their starting Qb. All deals have compromise. On both sides. Anything other than that is just pure stupid. And that's why I believe Woody Johnson is behind all of this. 

Yes, this definitely smacks of a Woody move.

[Rangers9]

5 minutes ago, cant wait said:

Then you should want fitz back and signed for as little guaranteed as possible

I'm rooting for a fair contract. How much Fitz makes is not my worry. He isn't going to give me any of it. If he doesn't sign it for six months then maybe it's not a fair deal for him. Unlike some of our fans I'm not looking tor the Jets to squeeze anybody. To me that's not smart in dealings with players. Even if you have the upper hand, 

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, drdetroit said:

From my warped Smith Fan "perspective", in my opinion we will just as many if not more games with Geno starting.  Fitz is better but not nearly as by much as you people think

Fixed that for you.  You really have a fondness for stating baseless opinions as facts.

Despite my view that the FO is being inflexible, it is beyond question that they have offered Fitzpatrick a contract.  If they thought Fitzpatrick was no better a Qb than Smith, why would they do that? 

[Jackie Treehorn]

I might be dead wrong here, but isn't it equally important to discuss whether or not the current depth at the qb position is enough or not? If your pro signing Fitz this is not an issue, but if the Jets decides not to sign Fitz are Geno, Petty and Hackenberg enough to cover the season or is the solution if Geno is injured to sign a free qb mid-season? (And again I am almost new to this sport, so there is no hidden irony here.)

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, slats said:

The amount of compromise in any negotiation is inversely proportional to how much leverage each side has. In this instance, the Jets have all the leverage, so Fitz has to do all the compromising. He's lucky the Jets left that deal on the table for as long as they did, but if these reports of giving Geno a chance to prove himself are true, Fitz may've already screwed himself. 

The Jets do not have all the leverage.  If they don't sign Fitz they have to play the worst Qb in the NFL. 

[Big Blocker]

17 minutes ago, cant wait said:

Then you should want fitz back and signed for as little guaranteed as possible

So how does that work if Fitz does not come back?

[drdetroit]

2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

If both sides can't agree for six months than maybe it's not reasonable. And Fitz offered a compromise on a one year deal. So maybe they can work off of that. The Jets reportedly not willing to change one comma on their offer. 

And the jets offered $12 million for the one year and then even increased it two years with $15 million guaranteed 

 

I have absolutely no issue with how Mac has handled this.

 

[drdetroit]

22 minutes ago, Jackie Treehorn said:

I might be dead wrong here, but isn't it equally important to discuss whether or not the current depth at the qb position is enough or not? If your pro signing Fitz this is not an issue, but if the Jets decides not to sign Fitz are Geno, Petty and Hackenberg enough to cover the season or is the solution if Geno is injured to sign a free qb mid-season? (And again I am almost new to this sport, so there is no hidden irony here.)

There's nobody available that's even remotely semi-decent as a backup

[drdetroit]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

there was no market for Fitz, it makes no sense for the Jets to give in to his demands in any way.  a fair offer is on the table, he can accept or watch his starting NFL career end.  it's up to him.

The market disappeared once the Rams and Broncos passed on him.  Fitz literally has nowhere to go and we are offering him great money

[ylekram]

2 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I'm sure a little fitzfan boy like you would know his career better. Yes, many of those teams had "must wins " to keep their season alive.. Fitz just made sure to end all hopes early in the season for the other teams. At least he kept the suspense going for the jets to the end..  Fitz helped us beat some crappy teams last yr before he folded in the BIG must win game in buffalo.. 

your mo has become insults and then spinning in circles. its really sad. keep patting yourself on the back with every stupid comment you make

[Rangers9]

5 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

And the jets offered $12 million for the one year and then even increased it two years with $15 million guaranteed 

 

I have absolutely no issue with how Mac has handled this.

 

You're not being accurate obviously on purpose. He countered that 3 year deal for 24 with a one year 12 mil proposal which the Jets turned down. So he's willing to take the first year but without the 2nd and 3rd year even if that means giving up on 3 mil in guaranteed money. He doesn't want to be Hack's backup. Or give Woody and Mac an insurance policy if the kid crashes. You don't hire a guy as starter for one year and backup for the next 2 years. And that's why he's not signing. It's the 2nd and 3rd years that he doesn't like. And I don't blame him. 

[drdetroit]

7 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

You're not being accurate obviously on purpose. He countered that 3 year deal for 24 with a one year 12 mil proposal which the Jets turned down. So he's willing to take the first year but without the 2nd and 3rd year even if that means giving up on 3 mil in guaranteed money. He doesn't want to be Hack's backup. Or give Woody and Mac an insurance policy if the kid crashes. You don't hire a guy as starter for one year and backup for the next 2 years. And that's why he's not signing. It's the 2nd and 3rd years that he doesn't like. And I don't blame him. 

Ok so it's either $12 million and possibly get paid to hold a clipboard or $0 and potentially never play again.  Awesome business model

[Rangers9]

10 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

Ok so it's either $12 million and possibly get paid to hold a clipboard or $0 and potentially never play again.  Awesome business model

Or 8-12 mil for 2016. And then 24 for 2 if he plays well. Some people, maybe not you guys are willing to bet on themselves. As for never playing again unless he takes the Jets offer that won't happen but he could end up losing money. 

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

But he won 10 games we were happy we cheered who cares about the playoffs I want happy times I dont mind watching other teams in the playoffs and Super Bowl year after year as long as I was happy during the regular season.  

)))))))))))))))))))))))))))SARCASM ALERT(((((((((((((((((((((((((

Ha Sad thing some of Fitz's groupies think he should win a award for 10 wins like it is a title in itself.. 

      We had a easy schedule, a fortunately mostly healthy team for once, yet failed our objective.. Fitz Embarrassingly failed us in buffalo.. We put him in a dream scenario.. First have ik knockout the starter.. Bring in his old coach who knows exactly how to work with his limited physical traits.. Two outstanding vet receivers.. One who saved him countless of times from ints ( Marshall ).. NO WAY would Fitz put up numbers anywhere close to last yr, in ANY other scenario.. He should be ever thankful to the jets for saving his downhill career.. And he should be very sorry for letting us down in buffalo.. Yet he is not thankful or sorry.. He is being a little selfish girl.. Leaving his teammates wondering who their qb ( leader ) is going to be..

[kelly]

Ryan Fitzpatrick spent the weekend golfing and that will likely continue to be part of his athletic schedule as long as he and the Jets remain unable to agree on a contract for the 2016 season.The chances that the status quo remains in place likely hinges on Fitzpatrick’s response to the latest communication from the team. Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets have made “multiple offers” in hopes of Fitzpatrick liking one of them enough to return to the team.

There are no details outlining how these offers differ from the three-year, $24 million offer that would pay Fitzpatrick $12 million for the 2016 season and has been in play for a while. Whatever those details may be, the most significant one at the moment is that Fitzpatrick hasn’t liked any of the offers enough to actually go ahead and sign with the Jets, which leaves them set to open camp with Geno Smith, Bryce Pettyand Christian Hackenberg on the depth chart at quarterback.

The Jets haven’t gone public with any deadline to get Fitzpatrick back in the fold before they’ll move on for good, so more offers and options may still be put on the table. If those offers aren’t fundamentally different from what’s already come down the pike, though, there won’t be much reason to expect a different reaction from the quarterback.

>          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/25/report-jets-have-given-ryan-fitzpatrick-multiple-offers-to-pick-from/

[ylekram]

2 hours ago, Jackie Treehorn said:

I might be dead wrong here, but isn't it equally important to discuss whether or not the current depth at the qb position is enough or not? If your pro signing Fitz this is not an issue, but if the Jets decides not to sign Fitz are Geno, Petty and Hackenberg enough to cover the season or is the solution if Geno is injured to sign a free qb mid-season? (And again I am almost new to this sport, so there is no hidden irony here.)

if you are new to this sport as you claim, you are already smarter and more informed that the pro-geno club. this post of your proves this. Fitzpatrick was always the jets plan. Fitzpatrick is jets plan A, B, & C. Fitzpatrick knows this giving himself just as much leverage as the jets have. but people refuse to believe this because "the market has spoken". ha.ha. most don't understand the intricacies of business. ther jets will not move forward with the 3 qb's under contract. even if they want to move on without Fitzpatrick, they cant. even if they name geno the starter, they need a back up, none worth speaking about are available any more. the jets were always going to and will sign fitzpatrick

[joewilly12]

 

[Hackenberg - Banned]

[joewilly12]

[j4jets]

15 hours ago, nyjunc said:

we can criticize Fitz for his past teams or his big game performance for us but he was absolutely a leader for this team.  His teammates loved him, the coaches loved him, everyone connected w/ the team loved him.  

When you win, everybody loves you. Favre was the sh*t in NY when we were 8-3. When he started losing after that, the entire town turned on him. It's the nature of the game. We kicked him to the curb and he went on to have another PB season while getting Bounty Gate'd in the championship game, same weekend Peyton Manning had our number. How big of a leader was he for the other 17 teams he's played for?

[nyjunc]

7 hours ago, j4jets said:

When you win, everybody loves you. Favre was the sh*t in NY when we were 8-3. When he started losing after that, the entire town turned on him. It's the nature of the game. We kicked him to the curb and he went on to have another PB season while getting Bounty Gate'd in the championship game, same weekend Peyton Manning had our number. How big of a leader was he for the other 17 teams he's played for?

Favre stunk here even most of the first 11 games when we were 8-3.  he never wanted to be here and if he did and if he cared we could have competed for a SB in 2008 instead of missing the playoffs.

[kelly]

The New York Jets will jeopardize their season if they don't re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick because, quite simply, he's better than Geno Smith. That said, there comes a point where they have to commit or get off the pot. They can't allow the contract dispute to stretch through the entire preseason. It wouldn't be fair to the team or Smith.

If a deal isn't struck by Wednesday, when the Jets report to training camp, there's a chance the stalemate will continue into the preseason. Remember this date: Aug. 13. That's two days after the first game. It's also the key pressure point.That day, the Jets return to the field for the first of four practices before the second game on Aug. 19. If Fitzpatrick misses the first and second game, he'd be too far behind to reclaim the starting job. At that point, coach Todd Bowles would have little choice but to hand the keys to the car to Smith. If not, he would be making a mockery of a meritocracy.

Fitzpatrick can afford to miss the opener, against the Jacksonville Jaguars, because the starters usually play only a quarter. In fact, he played only one series in the 2015 preseason opener, two days after being thrust into the starting job because of Smith's broken jaw from that infamous sucker punch. Obviously, it didn't affect his regular-season performance, as Fitzpatrick threw for a team-record 31 touchdowns.But if Fitzpatrick is golfing or coaching Little League instead of playing quarterback for the Jets on Aug. 19, when they visit the Washington Redskins ... well, that's a different story. It would be too late. He wouldn't have enough practice time or game reps to be fully prepared for the Sept. 11 opener, especially after an idle offseason.

Could he return later in the preseason as Smith's backup? That seems unlikely, considering the financial implications a backup-type deal would carry.Another factor that affects the timeline is the backup position. If they can't come to terms with Fitzpatrick, the Jets almost certainly would have to add an experienced No. 2 to the depth chart, because neither Bryce Pettynor Christian Hackenberg is ready for that role. Coach Todd Bowles acknowledged last month that they'd consider a veteran in that scenario. The new guy would need at least a few weeks to get acclimated.

There has been some talk about the Jets waiting to evaluate Smith in the first preseason game before making a final call on Fitzpatrick; that would be foolish. Nothing Smith does facing vanilla coverages in a meaningless game should impact the team's decision-making. The Jets know what Smith is; they know what Fitzpatrick is. If they're basing a potentially season-altering decision on one quarter of preseason play, good or bad, shame on them.Fitzpatrick gives the Jets a better chance to win in 2016 than Smith does. Team officials have tacitly acknowledged as much by keeping the light on for Fitzpatrick during this bizarre, six-month staredown. General manager Mike Maccagnan, who drafts by the best-player-available credo, should employ that same philosophy in this situation. If he loses Fitzpatrick over a few million, it sends a bad message to the fan base, not to mention the locker room.

Evidently, Fitzpatrick hasn't received any offers better than the Jets' proposal, so give them credit for accurately reading the quarterback market. But what good is that if they don't land the player? They should add a little sweetener to the three-year, $24 million offer, a face-saving gesture that would allow Fitzpatrick to return to his locker room without feeling like he got beat up at the bargaining table. Make it three years, $30 million or two years, $20 million, in each case adding more guaranteed money in the second year.At the same time, Fitzpatrick has to be reasonable. At 33, he's not a $15 million-a-year quarterback and he must recognize this is the only place where he can be a starting quarterback right now. It's the ideal situation: the right coordinator, the right system and the right teammates.

It makes too much sense not to happen, but time is running out. There has to be a deadline, because the wait eventually will turn into a weight on the team.

>         http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/61424/jets-need-to-sign-ryan-fitzpatrick-but-offer-should-have-expiration-date

[kelly]

Ryan Fitzpatrick spent the weekend golfing and that will likely continue to be part of his athletic schedule as long as he and the Jets remain unable to agree on a contract for the 2016 season.The chances that the status quo remains in place likely hinges on Fitzpatrick’s response to the latest communication from the team. Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports that the Jets have made “multiple offers” in hopes of Fitzpatrick liking one of them enough to return to the team.

There are no details outlining how these offers differ from the three-year, $24 million offer that would pay Fitzpatrick $12 million for the 2016 season and has been in play for a while. Whatever those details may be, the most significant one at the moment is that Fitzpatrick hasn’t liked any of the offers enough to actually go ahead and sign with the Jets, which leaves them set to open camp with Geno Smith, Bryce Pettyand Christian Hackenberg on the depth chart at quarterback.

The Jets haven’t gone public with any deadline to get Fitzpatrick back in the fold before they’ll move on for good, so more offers and options may still be put on the table. If those offers aren’t fundamentally different from what’s already come down the pike, though, there won’t be much reason to expect a different reaction from the quarterback.

>      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/25/report-jets-have-given-ryan-fitzpatrick-multiple-offers-to-pick-from/

[j4jets]

40 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Favre stunk here even most of the first 11 games when we were 8-3.  he never wanted to be here and if he did and if he cared we could have competed for a SB in 2008 instead of missing the playoffs.

Or maybe because he was injured? The morale in the locker room was very high at 8-3 having just defeated the Pats at Gillette a wk earlier.  So whereas Fitz was the locker room "leader" n "respected", Favre was nothing less at 8-3 in a season he "stunk". Winning cures everything. Why is that even arguable?

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Or maybe because he was injured? The morale in the locker room was very high at 8-3 having just defeated the Pats at Gillette a wk earlier.  So whereas Fitz was the locker room "leader" n "respected", Favre was nothing less at 8-3 in a season he "stunk". Winning cures everything. Why is that even arguable?

the injury was nothing more than an excuse.  

 

we beat the playoff-less Matt Cassell led Pats 2 weeks earlier.

Favre had respect for what he did in the past, Fitz had respect as a great teammate not a great player.

[j4jets]

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

the injury was nothing more than an excuse.  

Maybe so to a limited extent, but it was day n night beyond that point.

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

we beat the playoff-less Matt Cassell led Pats 2 weeks earlier.

Pats won 11 games that year. Playoff-less? Yes, but certainly not an average team even with a backup QB.

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Favre had respect for what he did in the past, Fitz had respect as a great teammate not a great player.

Fitz was a foregone conclusion until the sucker punch. His #1 WR was roomies with his competitor. He gained respect only after beating a bunch of below average teams. 

[nyjunc]

7 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Maybe so to a limited extent, but it was day n night beyond that point.

Pats won 11 games that year. Playoff-less? Yes, but certainly not an average team even with a backup QB.

Fitz was a foregone conclusion until the sucker punch. His #1 WR was roomies with his competitor. He gained respect only after beating a bunch of below average teams. 

the AFC east all played incredibly weak schedules which was how Miami went from 1 win in 2007 to 11 in 2008. NE went from 16 wins w/ Brady as starter in 2007 to 10 w/ Cassell as starter in 2008.  

 

he gained respect by commanding the huddle and being a good teammate.

[j4jets]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

the AFC east all played incredibly weak schedules which was how Miami went from 1 win in 2007 to 11 in 2008. NE went from 16 wins w/ Brady as starter in 2007 to 10 w/ Cassell as starter in 2008.  

 

he gained respect by commanding the huddle and being a good teammate.

Sounds familiar. 

[nyjunc]

13 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Sounds familiar. 

it happens every once in a while, 2015 wasn't quite as weak as 2008 but it was still weak.  in 2008 we also didn't have the best QB of all time playing for NE so that made a weak sched even weaker.

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, j4jets said:

Maybe so to a limited extent, but it was day n night beyond that point.

Pats won 11 games that year. Playoff-less? Yes, but certainly not an average team even with a backup QB.

Fitz was a foregone conclusion until the sucker punch. His #1 WR was roomies with his competitor. He gained respect only after beating a bunch of below average teams. 

Only Jets fans would have the audacity to compare Fitz to HOF player in Farve.   

I believe that Farve would be better than Fitz right now!!!

Fitz better than Farve..,.....

GoodGrief. 

[kelly]

The New York Jets and starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick remain in a stalemate in contract negotiations as training camp opens on Wednesday. The sides have not talked about a contract recently and remain far apart in determining the player's value, and no resolution is expected any time soon, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder.

In February, the Jets offered Fitzpatrick a three-year, $24 million contract, according to sources. It included $12 million in the first year, but only $6 million in each of the last two years -- essentially, backup money.Fitzpatrick, 33, made $3.25 million last season, his best as a pro. He threw for a career-high 3,905 yards and a Jets team-record 31 touchdowns -- against 15 interceptions. The Jets went 10-6 after going 4-12 the season before.

With Fitzpatrick out, the Jets are giving former starting quarterback Geno Smith positive reviews for his work in the offseason, with coach Todd Bowles saying Smith is "light-years ahead" of where he was at this time last year. The Jets continue to say, however, that the starting job belongs to Fitzpatrick if he re-signs.

>      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/17153077/quarterback-ryan-fitzpatrick-new-york-jets-talking-camp-starts

[joewilly12]

Jets players reveal they are not allowed to talk about Ryan Fitzpatrick’s contract drama 

[jetfan39]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Jets players reveal they are not allowed to talk about Ryan Fitzpatrick’s contract drama 

let's just concentrate on who is there to play and not who has not shown up

[joewilly12]

11 minutes ago, jetfan39 said:

let's just concentrate on who is there to play and not who has not shown up

Agree 

[NYJ37/12]

16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Jets players reveal they are not allowed to talk about Ryan Fitzpatrick’s contract drama 

I had a difficult time reading this fine print...