Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 hour ago, chirorob said: With salaries where they are, even 10 would be fair to Fitz. Not 18. If someone gives him 18, take the 3rd rounder next year and move on. I wouldn't go apesh*t if they settled on 10, but personally I think it's too high when their offer says they really want to move on from him as starter. The higher they go, the more of a message it says to the team - and to the HC - that Fitz is the starter. Also the ex-player Bowles does seem to favor his older veterans, and has already put his foot into his mouth by announcing that if Fitz is re-signed he's automatically the starter. So perhaps Mac has to counteract not seeing eye to eye with his HC on the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 45 minutes ago, jgb said: But we must give Geno more chances until every single person finally agrees that we know for a certainty that he sucks. Dead horse beaten to a pulp... but why not? It's a new day. Fitz would have sucked too with the 2013 n 2014 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 36 minutes ago, jgb said: Gee forgive me for not reading the entire 500,000 word-a-day catalogue of Sperm Edwards. Sheesh. So sorry that I missed it and made you repeat yourself. No, that is unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Dad horse beaten to a pulp... but why not? It's a new day. Fitz would have sucked too with the 2013 n 2014 teams. Geno is proven suck. Fitz is hypothetical suck. I will take a guy who might've sucked versus one who proved it. Analysis complete. Fitz > Geno Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Geno is proven suck. Fitz is hypothetical suck. I will take a guy who might've sucked versus one who proved it. Analysis complete. Fitz > Geno Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fitz has sucked with bad teams. Geno has sucked with bad teams. Fitz has been decent with good teams. Geno with a good team = ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I hope the Jets are offering Geno as part of the Kaep offer Hats the finally sticking point on a deal. 49ers said keep him we said no way you take him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Marc SesslerVerified account@MarcSesslerNFL 'I believe the Browns are far more serious than the Jets.' - @MikeSilver on CLE, NY & DEN all chasing Kaepernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Fitz has sucked with bad teams. Geno has sucked with bad teams. Fitz has been decent with good teams. Geno with a good team = ? I've said it before: Geno's problems aren't talent--they are leadership, intelligence and maturity. Homer Simpson doesn't become Stephen hawking because mr burns pays daryl strawberry to be a ringer for the Springfield softball team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Powpow said: Exactly. This is what's holding this up. Remember, Fitz came on here first to be our back up QB to Geno, who was anointed the starter simply because there were no other options. The Jets were lucky to have a fall back guy having a sensational, unexpected season like that. Offer Fitz a few years at 7-10 million. He can start the next year or two or back up Petty or Paxton depending on how they progress. Fitz has never been seen as the savior and isn't seen as the long term answer. Mac is still looking for his franchise QB. That could be Paxton in 2016 draft or maybe Petty. Regardless, its apparent he's not putting all his eggs in Fitzy's basket. +1 Great to see he's not panicking into a bad move because a trend was started where other teams - Philadelphia in particular - did just that. Because it's a trend for some other desperate teams, it doesn't mean we should play follow the loser leader. Also different for other reason on its face: these other teams have hopes Bradford, Osweiller, Cousins will become franchise QBs after another season or two. There is no such hope for Fitzpatrick so his compensation shouldn't get those brownie points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, jgb said: If only jamarcu Russel had Brandon Marshall and Erik decker.... Saaaaayyyyy what's he up to I'm sure he would be cheap! I've said it before: Geno's problems aren't talent--they are leadership, intelligence and maturity. Homer Simpson doesn't become Stephen hawking because mr burns pays daryl strawberry to be a ringer for the Springfield softball team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So the guy was a little immature after college. Maturity/leadership will (and may have already) come with time and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mike135 said: So the guy was a little immature after college. Maturity/leadership will (and may have already) come with time and experience. To be fair he was a lot immature. Throwing his weight around after getting handed the job because there was no one else is hard to get behind. I was supportive of him while he was starting, and would be again if he somehow turned the corner, but really he is a very hard guy to like or even root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 So the guy was a little immature after college. Maturity/leadership will (and may have already) come with time and experience. He lost one of the most coveted jobs in sports over 600 bucks less than a year ago and his teammates gave zero f*cks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: To be fair he was a lot immature. Throwing his weight around after getting handed the job because there was no one else is hard to get behind. I was supportive of him while he was starting, and would be again if he somehow turned the corner, but really he is a very hard guy to like or even root for. Agreed. But I'm not gonna give up on guy because of some immaturity. Many worse things have been done by players. He still deserves a shot at starting in a decent situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, jgb said: He lost one of the most coveted jobs in sports over 600 bucks less than a year ago Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well, sort of yes sort of no. That's how it ended, yes. What he did was risk the job by squabbling over $600 with a neanderthal. Doesn't speak favorably about him, but he lost the job because he got his jaw broken by said neanderthal not directly because of a $600 dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Well, sort of yes sort of no. What he did was risk the job by squabbling over $600 with a neanderthal. Doesn't speak favorably about him, but he lost the job because he got his jaw broken by said neanderthal not directly because of a $600 dispute. Dispute-jaw-bench That's direct correlation But the worst indictment is the lack of reaction by his team Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, jgb said: Dispute-jaw-bench That's direct correlation Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No. That's an indirect cause and effect. Direct is choosing $600 over his starting job. Indirect is getting into a dispute over $600 and then having that dispute unexpectedly get your jaw broken. Doesn't matter. If he just gave up a couple of bucks and acted the bigger man - acted the part of a team's leader - he would have had the job until/unless Bowles benched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Agreed. But I'm not gonna give up on guy because of some immaturity. Many worse things have been done by players. He still deserves a shot at starting in a decent situation. At some point you gotta cut bait. Geno has already started longer than any QB in history with as bad a start to his career. Only the jets putrid other choices and stubborn idzik saved him from a much earlier benching than he would've gotten just about anywhere else. Geno has already burned a second chance maybe even more than that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 No. That's an indirect cause and effect. Direct is choosing $600 over his starting job. Indirect is getting into a dispute over $600 and then having that dispute unexpectedly get your jaw broken. Doesn't matter. If he just gave up a couple of bucks and acted the bigger man - acted the part of a team's leader - he would have had the job until/unless Bowles benched him. Direct causation is a minority test, which addresses only the metaphysical concept of causation.[6] It does not matter how foreseeable the result as long as what the negligent party's physical action can be tied to what actually happened. This is how lawyers define it an how i used the term. So let's just agree this is a moronic semantic argument and move on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, jgb said: Direct causation is a minority test, which addresses only the metaphysical concept of causation.[6] It does not matter how foreseeable the result as long as what the negligent party's physical action can be tied to what actually happened. This is how lawyers define it an how i used the term. So let's just agree this is a moronic semantic argument and move on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last word freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Last word freak. Darn now I can't use my reserve zinger since you gave up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Dispute-jaw-bench That's direct correlation But the worst indictment is the lack of reaction by his team Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Actually the worst part of that whole scenario was that we even knew about it. I mean come on, how many fist fights do you think there are on all 32 teams over the course of a season? 100+? Hell my HS team had like 20 a year itself. That's a leadership issue. As in coaching. Tough to blame Bowles though since he was just starting. Story should've been "Overzealous LB pushed RB into Geno during closed practice session. Geno out for few weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Actually the worst part of that whole scenario was that we even knew about it. I mean come on, how many fist fights do you think there are on all 32 teams over the course of a season? 100+? Hell my HS team had like 20 a year itself. That's a leadership issue. As in coaching. Tough to blame Bowles though since he was just starting. Story should've been "Overzealous LB pushed RB into Geno during closed practice session. Geno out for few weeks." If the jaw wasn't broke you're probably right. I'm glad it was, though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, jgb said: At some point you gotta cut bait. Geno has already started longer than any QB in history with as bad a start to his career. Only the jets putrid other choices and stubborn idzik saved him from a much earlier benching than he would've gotten just about anywhere else. Geno has already burned a second chance maybe even more than that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Any rookie QB... Brees, Brady, Kaep, Tebow... would have sucked with our 13-14 squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Jetfan13 said: I thought I read that Denver DID offer him $15 mill a year. Anyone else see that? Orly. I know that was Osweiler's offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I don't care who the QB is going to be in 2016 as long as it's NOT Geno! As a few have already said, he's already used up all the chances he deserves and then some with this team. There's no way they can sell the idea of a Geno led offense. They just CAN'T!!!! Can they????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: I don't care who the QB is going to be in 2016 as long as it's NOT Geno! As a few have already said, he's already used up all the chances he deserves and then some with this team. There's no way they can sell the idea of a Geno led offense. They just CAN'T!!!! Can they????? We were sold Tebow and some actually liked the move. Geno could definitely be sold. My guess is it'd go something like... Bring in some other vet. Announce an open competition between vet/Geno/Petty. Geno wins! Comeback story in the making. The public loves a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 The numbers I heard on Nfln on what the Jets have offered Fitz are 3 years for 21. That's not going to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Rangers9 said: The numbers I heard on Nfln on what the Jets have offered Fitz are 3 years for 21. That's not going to do it. Well, unless somebody offers him more, it's going to have to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: The numbers I heard on Nfln on what the Jets have offered Fitz are 3 years for 21. That's not going to do it. Depends on what the rams and broncos do. If they don't go after Fitz the market for him disappears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Contract negotiations with QB Ryan Fitzpatrick have stalled, so the Jets are exploring a possible trade for 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, a source confirmed. It was first reported by CSNBayArea.com, which said the Broncos and Browns also are involved. If nothing else, this will put pressure on Fitzpatrick. Right now, the Jets are low-balling him, offering approximately $7M per year. > http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 If true it's a real lowball offer. If you play games the player could just sign with another team. I heard they raised that 21 mil offer but not by much. I'd go for 2 years 25 mil. If pushed 3-30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 The window is open to take Fitzpatrick from the Jets The Jets and quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick are reportedly are “nowhere close to an agreement.” There’s now a clear opening for an agreement to never happen.Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Fitzpatrick is ripe to be plucked away by another team.Other suitors could be concerned that any interest expressed in Fitzpatrick would be used as leverage with the Jets. The reality, according to the source, is that interest expressed in Fitzpatrick could quickly lead to a deal. The Jets and Fitzpatrick are so far apart that the pending offer is being regarded as “backup money.” And it could mean that the Jets are hoping to have Fitzpatrick as a bird in the hand as they continue to look for someone who could take over the job, sooner than later.In playing hardball with Fitzpatrick, the Jets apparently believe that he won’t leave. He’s now ready to do it. The only question is whether someone else will open the door for him. The door could be in Denver, where the current starting quarterback is Trevor Siemian. > http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/10/the-window-is-open-to-take-fitzpatrick-from-the-jets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 16 hours ago, aec4 said: I agree with this. However 33 isn't old for a qb. You can't overpay for a career year and he has a longer track record which will keep his salary down. We aren't getting him for 7-8m a year though. If we wanted that we should have signed him in November. In November quite frankly no one wanted him. We were losing games and he wasnt playing all that well. It was his last 6 games that we want, not what he was in Nov. If he wants drastically more than 8-10 mil I would be fine letting him walk. This team has enough talent around the QB position and on defense that we could get similar production with a Hoyer IMO. In fact Hoyer has similar numbers to Fitz, playing with a lot less than Fitz. And just about everyone agrees that Hoyer is a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I want Hoyer NO WHERE near this team. And don't start asking me who else then because I don't care as long as it isn't Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 16 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Speak for yourself Seriously. Don't even like the guy right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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