Shockwave Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Quote Jaguars agreed to terms with RB Chris Ivory, formerly of the Jets. This one comes out of left field. T.J. Yeldon was the 36th pick in last year's draft, but the Jaguars don't necessarily view him as a 20-plus touch-per-game back. Yeldon rarely got opportunities in the red zone as a rookie, with the Jaguars instead opting to go pass-heavy inside the 20-yard line or give looks to fringe RBs Toby Gerhart, Shoelace Robinson, and Jonas Gray. Ivory projects to now handle scoring-position work in a timeshare with Yeldon, who averaged 4.1 YPC as a rookie. Yeldon also battled a couple of nagging injuries, including a sprained MCL. Ivory hasn't had health on his side in his career, either, but is a downhill power runner for OC Greg Olson. This is likely in the 6-7m dollar range. Could be a 4th round comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Trade 4th rounder for Ivory. Get three decent years out of him. Let some other dumbass team hand him $20m guaranteed. Recoup 4th rounder as a comp pick. Progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Trade 4th rounder for Ivory. Get three decent years out of him. Let some other dumbass team hand him $20m guaranteed. Recoup 4th rounder as a comp pick. Progress. Now we just need to figure out the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Chris Gimpory, more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 25 minutes ago, Shockwave said: This is likely in the 6-7m dollar range. Could be a 4th round comp pick. As long as we don't sign a comparable FA ourselves. Snacks could warrant a 3rd, Ivory a 4th, Fitzy a 3rd(Dependent on # years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Idzik was pivotal in the negotiation - he wants to reinforce the one good decision he ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 29 minutes ago, Shockwave said: This is likely in the 6-7m dollar range. Could be a 4th round comp pick. Yeah getting comped for a player we had no intention of retaining is really a win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: As long as we don't sign a comparable FA ourselves. Snacks could warrant a 3rd, Ivory a 4th, Fitzy a 3rd(Dependent on # years) I don't know the formula but for some reason I thought I remembered reading that you only comp picks for your draft picks, not players brought it in via FA or trade. Could be wrong through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I liked Ivory and he played hard for us, but there is no way we were going to pay him that kind of money. But, I appreciate his efforts on behalf of the team and wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 48 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Trade 4th rounder for Ivory. Get three decent years out of him. Let some other dumbass team hand him $20m guaranteed. Recoup 4th rounder as a comp pick. Progress. The genius of John Joseph Idzik junior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 30 minutes ago, David Harris said: Idzik was pivotal in the negotiation - he wants to reinforce the one good decision he ever made. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 27 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: I don't know the formula but for some reason I thought I remembered reading that you only comp picks for your draft picks, not players brought it in via FA or trade. Could be wrong through. No you get them for any fa you lose in a complex formula that takes into account who you lose, who you sign and the salary level and playing time and such. The way things are going so far I can see us having near the max comp picks next year which is 4 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/ Compensatory Picks: These picks are determined at the league's annual meeting before the draft and are given to teams that in the previous year's free agency period have lost more or better free agent players than they gained. This highly confidential formula, created by the NFL Management Council, is based on players' salaries, playing time, post-season awards, and the net amount of free agents lost versus free agents signed. The maximum amount of picks any team can gain is 4 and they can not be traded [beginning in 2017.]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Dcat said: link? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2560814-chris-ivory-to-sign-with-jaguars-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction Mehta states Idzik was pivotal - I know it's Mehta but he's one of the only sources we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 He was fun to watch. Played hard, left in all on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, David Harris said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2560814-chris-ivory-to-sign-with-jaguars-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction Mehta states Idzik was pivotal - I know it's Mehta but he's one of the only sources we get. GM Caldwell is a young guy like Macagnan and has 17 years of NFL scouting experience with his last 4 being Director of Scouting for the falcons. It makes sense that he needs a number cruncher like Idzik to help with the financials, cap and contracts. They'd be fools to allow Idzik anywhere near personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dcat said: GM Caldwell is a young guy like Macagnan and has 17 years of NFL scouting experience with his last 4 being Director of Scouting for the falcons. It makes sense that he needs a number cruncher like Idzik to help with the financials, cap and contracts. They'd be fools to allow Idzik anywhere near personnel. Idzik really did make Chris Ivory's career. I'm sure Caldwell targeted Ivory, intuitively you think he'd put Idzik front and center in the welcome wagon, but i agree, Idzik is an awful scout type, good consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Not sad to see him go per se. But no Ivory, no Powell, better find someone to run the ball 30 times a game, because Fitz, Geno or anyone playing for us will need it for us to have a snowballs shot in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Blood Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I liked Ivory, but he served his purpose here. It was fun. He was injury prone, and was bottled up/shut down in some games, as well as injury prone... Not a true #1 back that could play all downs. So the compensation picks. Do we get them for this years draft or next years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, First_Blood said: I liked Ivory, but he served his purpose here. It was fun. He was injury prone, and was bottled up/shut down in some games, as well as injury prone... Not a true #1 back that could play all downs. So the compensation picks. Do we get them for this years draft or next years? 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Shockwave said: This is likely in the 6-7m dollar range. Could be a 4th round comp pick. Excellent news. Comp pick can be 4th rounder. Snacks n Fitz will net us a 3rd each. If Mac can play his cards right, we can have a really good collection of picks next year. If we sign players that were cut, we'll be in good shape. Otherwise most of our FAs losses will net out against the FAs we pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Saul Goodman said: He was fun to watch. Played hard, left in all on the field. Won't lie, I loved Ivory here. I wish he was a better pass catcher and blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Dumb teams continue to dumb things!!! Thanks Ivory for the three hard running years BUT 6 million for a guy who is ALWAYS nicked up??? I look forward to the compensatory pick in the 3rd or 4th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furor Teutonicus Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 He had his big moments for the team. But at the end of the year he wasn't the same. Thanks for the efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Congrats to Ivory for getting paid, he was a good Jet Jax going all in and could be legit next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Congrats to Ivory for getting paid, he was a good Jet Jax going all in and could be legit next year They are winning the AFC south but not because of Ivory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 9 hours ago, dbatesman said: Trade 4th rounder for Ivory. Get three decent years out of him. Let some other dumbass team hand him $20m guaranteed. Recoup 4th rounder as a comp pick. Progress. Walked into the office this morning and repeated the exact same thing to all the drooling Jags fans that thought they just signed Earl Campbell. One of the few trades that worked 360 for the Jets. Thanks IDZIK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Their GM & HC have been there for 3+ years so I'm sure they're in full "paranoia" mode now (win or get fired). They still have 65+ million in cap space so I'm not going to be shocked if Wilkerson ends up down there for a #2 & #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, KRL said: Their GM & HC have been there for 3+ years so I'm sure they're in full "paranoia" mode now (win or get fired). They still have 65+ million in cap space so I'm not going to be shocked if Wilkerson ends up down there for a #2 & #4 the jets couldn't stand to lose both snacks and mo, so that deal would have to go down soon - before harrison is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 1 hour ago, JiF said: Walked into the office this morning and repeated the exact same thing to all the drooling Jags fans that thought they just signed Earl Campbell. One of the few trades that worked 360 for the Jets. Thanks IDZIK! Maybe. But it depends on Ivory's contract, playing time and performance. Jets fans should hope he gets tons of carries and does well. How is he going to get more than half the snaps with Yeldon on the roster? IIRC, a player who gets less than half the snaps is going to yield a piss poor comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 18 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: the jets couldn't stand to lose both snacks and mo, so that deal would have to go down soon - before harrison is gone. Maccagnan's "inactivity" is too fishy to me. He could've made 4-5 simple re-structures / cuts to free up another 10 - 12 million in cap space. It feels like he's waiting for the new league to start before he pulls the Wilkerson trade which would trigger the rest of our moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Just now, KRL said: Maccagnan's "inactivity" is too fishy to me. He could've made 4-5 simple re-structures / cuts to free up another 10 - 12 million in cap space. It feels like he's waiting for the new league to start before he pulls the Wilkerson trade which would trigger the rest of our moves this isn't an idzik or tanny thing where you don't really know if they 'get' the football ops side. mccags came from there, and did it great last year. i think a lot of us here are weighing the jets history with who we think mccags is as a gm, and are wondering when something will happen. there have been no leaks, and nothing surprising yet. ivory kinda stunk the 2nd half of the season and the jags overpaid. but this is bound to happen when you keep increasing the cap, teams keep most of their good players and there's just too many FA dollars out there and not enough quality players worthy of the $$. teams like jax and oak will ultimately re-sign their qbs to top dollar and then they'll have to be thrifty as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 10 hours ago, T0mShane said: Chris Gimpory, more like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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