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7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

... signing Fitz back is the perfect option ...

I wonder if those words have ever been arranged like that before in human existence.

I'd be willing to bet no one has ever considered Fitz a good option.  Let alone a perfect option.

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9 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

Look, I was making a joke that some Jets fans wouldn't even appreciate Marino and sadly I was right. I'll go even further. If we had Montana these same fans would say he was nothing and only successful because of Jerry Rice. The same way they give Fitz no credit at all and Marshall all of the credit. Kind of mind boggling wouldn't you say?🤔

The only mind boggling thing I see is comparing Ryan Fitzpatrick to Joe Montana. 

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4 minutes ago, slats said:

The only mind boggling thing I see is comparing Ryan Fitzpatrick to Joe Montana. 

Please I wasn't comparing Fitz to Montana. I was just saying that Jets fans would even complain if we had Joe M. If he threw one bad pass they'd be all over him. Or didn't win an important game. I mean look what one poster said about Marino. Even I'm shocked. Look Fitz is coming off of a good season. There really isn't so much to complain about with him. He's a good player.

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4 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Sign Fitz which is what I said probably happened since day 1 for the 10-12 million range. Free up cap space by restructuring Brick, Mangold, and trading Wilkerson. Draft one of the young QB's, CUT Geno Smith after he looks like he's accomplished nothing during training camp and let Fitz Mentor Petty and the newly drafted QB . If Fitz lights it up and plays well with the new added talent at RB great, if not, then in a year or two one of those young QB's will be primed to step in and make this their team with Fitz taking a back up role as he ends his career and stays on to help the young QB's along. This is the best case scenario for the Jets moving forward and with the current acquisitions its the only scenario that makes any sense at all. 

Giving Fitzpatrick $10-12M cannot be a part of any best case scenario. Hopefully they didn't/don't go any higher than $8M/year, with little or no money guaranteed after the first year. The Jets want to replace Fitzpatrick ASAP, and rightfully so. Fitz is a safety net. 

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23 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Look you're killing Fitz and even Marino for not winning either playoff games or SBs. So why so many excuses for Glennon. If he's so good how come he isn't their starter. They keep going to other Qbs. If you're saying why should the Jets accept mediocrity then what about him!

There's this guy named Jameis Winston

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26 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

You said you wanted better then Marino, there is not a QB in the league or draft as good as Marino.   So your incorrect. 

 

Did you ever see Marino play?

there is so much more to judging a QB then rings.   

By better I meant a QB who will win a ring at some point.  

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3 minutes ago, slats said:

Giving Fitzpatrick $10-12M cannot be a part of any best case scenario. Hopefully they didn't/don't go any higher than $8M/year, with little or no money guaranteed after the first year. The Jets want to replace Fitzpatrick ASAP, and rightfully so. Fitz is a safety net. 

Who knows what the $ is until the deal is public.  Apparently the Broncos aren't interested and the Rams want to draft a Qb so no market for Fitz in spite of worse players like Bradford and RG3 getting paid

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25 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Look you're killing Fitz and even Marino for not winning either playoff games or SBs. So why so many excuses for Glennon. If he's so good how come he isn't their starter. They keep going to other Qbs. If you're saying why should the Jets accept mediocrity then what about him!

When was I killing Fitz?

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2 hours ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Please stop. I'm an "old" guy too. Marino was a GREAT quarterback -- 100% HOF. I can only suspect that you never saw him play to make the ridiculous comments that you're throwing out here. Fitz is an average QB who is in a comfortable system. Putting Fitz and Marino in the same sentence is like putting Barry Sanders and LeGarrette Blount in the same universe. You don't like Fitz -- fair enough. There's plenty to criticize. But this Marino BS is really really stupid.

All I know is that every time we played the Dolphins, they had the best player on the field.

in fact over his entire career there weren't many times when the fins didn't have the best player on the field when Marino was Marino.

Only someone who didn't see him play or just doesn't understand the game would make these kinds of statements about one of the all time greats 

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1 minute ago, AFJF said:

When was I killing Fitz?

I meant "you" in terms of the fan base not "you" personally. But don't you think you should reconsider your statements about Marino. I mean there are guys who've won Super Bowls like Trent Dilfer who weren't even in the same stratosphere as Dan. And this includes Eli.

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4 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

And what exactly is Mike Glennon ? A guy who has done the same nothing you bitch at Fitz for. Yet you sound like you would trade the farm for the guy. Fitz proved he could play well last year maybe the guy just happened to find the right fit and some decent talent to play with in an offense he already knows and was able to lead this team with his knowledge of said offense as a true leader. Hes now got 3 very good pass receiving RB's as an outlet and hopefully a TE  in Amaro who could at least catch the football.

Many people on this forum forget this team learned 2 new systems last year and they will only get better moving forward because that's how things work when you improve in a system over the course of the season and then you add 2 very Important parts to help the QB . Fitz will be a very good QB in this system moving forward lets hope the team does nto let us down as they did last year. We left 3 games on the table with bad ST play and some really untimely drops and fumbles. Fitz may have lost a game or 2 with some bad play but for the most part he willed this team to way more wins than he lost on his own.

if you want to point to the wind in Buffalo then your not objedctively looking at the QB position because no QB in the NFl or in any league plays well against the wind .Most smart teams play conservative into the wind and aggressive with the wind at their backs the Jets just never got it going and all this forum can do is put the blame squarely on Fitz and that is just ridiculous.

No NFL QB plays well in the wind?  

Lol, nonsense.  

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9 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

I'm starting to believe Mo could be traded on draft day in an attempt to move up for a franchise linebacker. That would free up space for a Fitz signing.

Also, cutting D'Brick and re-signing him at a discount (I doubt he'd want to pick up his life and move somewhere else now), or cutting Giacomini and going with Qvale, could allow the Jets to bring on another potential starter at a need position who is still a FA or a post June-1 cut

trade up for a "franchise" LB?  Who?  Myles Jack?

Jack is the #1 rated LB.  After him there is a mixture of Ragland (ILB), Lee, Floyd and Spence, all of whom will go in the late teens - 20's in round 1.  No need to trade up for one of the top LBs unless you really feel that Myles Jack is worth it. 

The most "franchisey" LB there is in the draft might fall to the 2nd round due to the gruesome injury in the Fiesta Bowl.  Jaylon Smith would have been a top 5 pick.  I think he's too much of a risk at 20 with the rumors of nerve damage as well.  Very risky, and won't play much until 2017, if at all.  He'll probably go before the Jets pick in round 2, so if the Jets want himm that bad, they might be able to trade down from 20 and pick up an additional pick here or there. His next medical eval will be on 4/15 so the league shoould know a lot more about his status before the draft.  Smith is claiming he wil be fine.  We'll have to see.

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6 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

There's this guy named Jameis Winston

They also traded for McCown instead of giving the job to Glennon. Plus if they had any faith in Glennon then why did they have to draft a Qb esp a guy with baggage ie Jameis. Winston was not great his rookie season but he showed a lot of talent. It's not 100 % that he's going to be a franchise Qb. It's about 60% if he keeps his nose clean.

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Just now, Rangers9 said:

They also traded for McCown instead of giving the job to Glennon. Plus if they had any faith in Glennon then why did they have to draft a Qb esp a guy with baggage ie Jameis. Winston was not great his rookie season but he showed a lot of talent. It's not 100 % that he's going to be a franchise Qb. It's about 60% if he keeps his nose clean.

Oh yes that's right I forgot Lovie Smith is a legendary talent evaluator at the qb position

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1 minute ago, drdetroit said:

Oh yes that's right I forgot Lovie Smith is a legendary talent evaluator at the qb position

To me Lovie was a decent NFL HC but a defensive specialist. But he had offensive experts on his team like Dirk Koetter who had a lot of say in drafting Jameis. So they didn't seem to think that Glennon was the answer. He's had some chances and been in camps and didn't win the job or games for that matter. I'm not saying he's no good but on paper he isn't the solution for the Jets esp in 2016. 

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9 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. You know who puts up great fantasy stats? Aaron Rodgers. He's terrible and not a winner, I know. You know who else? Tom Brady. Also not so good and not a winner. Cam Newton? PASS. Russel Wilson. Not a winner. Roethlisberger. Can't win, that guy. Drew Brees? What has he won? Alex Smith on the other hand, bad fantasy QB. Peyton Manning with a schoolgirl arm just won the Super Bowl. Brad Johnson too. Trent Dilfer. Just winners, those guys.

Brett Favre put up good fantasy numbers. Steve Young would have been a fantasy beast.

See how this works?

This is a common refrain you hear all the time that has no basis in reality. If a guy throws for 40 tds and 5000 yards, he's a QB you want to have. The only other option is to have a guy that plays with an all time defense and "wins" rings like Mark Sanchez took the Jets to two consecutive AFC championship games. The resurrection of Terry Bradshaw and Len Dawson is another way to go.

My point, Glenn, is that you will find most of the playoff QB's atop the fantasy ranks. Guys like Bridgewater and Alex Smith get there when their teams play lights out defense and run the ball well.

 

My point is that when all was said and done with Marino, he won nothing despite great fantasy numbers.  That's cool and all, but if somebody says there's a QB Jets fans would love to have had, at least use a guy who carried his team to a ring or two, like Elway. Not another guy who never won one.

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Clearly, very few people on this site actually watch Buc's games. If you did, you would not presume that Glennon would be more effective than Fitzpatrick running Gailey's offense. Glennon has issues as a QB, similar to our own Geno Smith. Trading for him makes no sense. Resign Fitz, draft Lynch and move on. You then have two young QB's to learn and possibly take over for Fitz in 2017. Glennon is not that guy - any more than Geno is. Amateurs!

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3 minutes ago, TexJet said:

Clearly, very few people on this site actually watch Buc's games. If you did, you would not presume that Glennon would be more effective than Fitzpatrick running Gailey's offense. Glennon has issues as a QB, similar to our own Geno Smith. Trading for him makes no sense. Resign Fitz, draft Lynch and move on. You then have two young QB's to learn and possibly take over for Fitz in 2017. Glennon is not that guy - any more than Geno is. Amateurs!

Glennon and Geno are as opposite as can be.  No one who watched both would say they're similar in any way

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14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

They cut him. 

Luckily they bounced back historically as a franchise. 

 

Teams like the Bucs have to accept that trading Steve Young, allowing Doug Williams to walk along with Vinny Testaverde has resulted in more Championship game appearances and wins along with more SB appearances and wins than the Bucs as a franchise have seen without them.

 

So I say, trade for Glennon? lol. 

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12 hours ago, AFJF said:

Anyway, as I said earlier, I hope the rumor is true.  Get a veteran mentor like Fitz, then draft a QB early so he has a couple of promising young QB's to bring along.

I'm right there with you AFJF....... Despite some dingbats arguing, this is the BEST move the Jets can make right now. They cannot do any better unless they want to mortgage and gamble on their future. I am very happy they are not doing that.

And I completely agree with the idea of having Fitz around as a "mentor" and drafting another QB. Hopefully, we can get a guy like Paxton Lynch. I believe that sets up some GREAT competition in TC between Bryce Petty and Lynch this season with Fitz being the starter.

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2 hours ago, AFJF said:

What exactly did I say in comparing Fitz and Marino that was incorrect?

Putting them in the same sentence as if there is an actual comparison to be made on any count. Make your case for Fitz being a journeyman who's moved around and didn't live up to his Buffalo contract -- no problem. Plenty of room for discussion and debate. Throwing in an elite HOF QB to make your point is simply distracting and undercuts your argument. But if you can't figure that out, I guess that's why you went down that road in the first place. It makes you look idiotic.

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28 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Putting them in the same sentence as if there is an actual comparison to be made on any count. Make your case for Fitz being a journeyman who's moved around and didn't live up to his Buffalo contract -- no problem. Plenty of room for discussion and debate. Throwing in an elite HOF QB to make your point is simply distracting and undercuts your argument. But if you can't figure that out, I guess that's why you went down that road in the first place. It makes you look idiotic.

My "argument" is that neither one won a SB.  That is a factual statement.

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13 hours ago, AFJF said:

Marino has the same number of SB wins as Fitz.  Or should we be thrilled to have a guy who won some playoff games?

Well you would have hated Kenny O then as a matter of fact lets compare Ken and Fitz.. Kenny had 128 tds 98 picks 0 rushing tds and a 58.6 completion %.. Fitz has 154 tds 116 picks and 13 rushing tds and a 60.1 completion %.. And neither has won a playoff game..:)

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37 minutes ago, AFJF said:

My "argument" is that neither one won a SB.  That is a factual statement.

Your argument is silly.  Stop already,. You want to compare Marino to Fitz, you want a Dilfer over an all time great, good for you.  

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10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Your argument is silly.  Stop already,. You want to compare Marino to Fitz, you want a Dilfer over an all time great, good for you.  

No I don't, and that's why I didn't.

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21 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Well you would have hated Kenny O then as a matter of fact lets compare Ken and Fitz.. Kenny had 128 tds 98 picks 0 rushing tds and a 58.6 completion %.. Fitz has 154 tds 116 picks and 13 rushing tds and a 60.1 completion %.. And neither has won a playoff game..:)

I liked Kenny O' quite a bit.  But I was only 13 or 14 years old.  I thought having a big arm meant the world.  Then I realized I'd rather have a SB winning QB than a QB who could sling it.

Seemed like a good dude though.

I hate that people hold the Marino thing against him as if it's his fault the Jets didn't take a different QB who never won anything.

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54 minutes ago, AFJF said:

My "argument" is that neither one won a SB.  That is a factual statement.

You seem to be intent on minimizing Marino based on no rings, and you're digging in your heels on the "he never won a ring - that's a fact".  But it makes no sense.  No one is saying "after looking into the future, and determining that this QB won't win any rings, we should sign him."  Are you saying that if we drafted Marino instead of the Dolphins, we would have gone to the SB his first year (and lost), and never won a ring?  I guarantee you that if we could go back in time, 100 out of 100 Jet fans would have drafted Marino.

I think you're saying that most QBs are the same, because they don't win rings.  I mean, you realize that's totally asinine, right?  You can't be saying that...

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2 hours ago, TexJet said:

Clearly, very few people on this site actually watch Buc's games. If you did, you would not presume that Glennon would be more effective than Fitzpatrick running Gailey's offense. Glennon has issues as a QB, similar to our own Geno Smith. Trading for him makes no sense. Resign Fitz, draft Lynch and move on. You then have two young QB's to learn and possibly take over for Fitz in 2017. Glennon is not that guy - any more than Geno is. Amateurs!

I am located in the Tampa area and watched a lot of Glennon's games.  He was helped a lot by Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans.  He threw a lot of balls up and let them go get it.  Those guys saved him a lot of times.  People see a decent QB rating from Glennon, but he has a lot of work to do to be even as good as Fitzpatrick at this point.

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