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The line Roy assistant at UNC that whey to a mid Major was Jerid Haase and he did a great job at UAB and is now HC at Stanford.  Just because they worked at to level program didn't mean they won't be able to function at mid major.

 

 

It sounds like C.B. is getting the job.  I have no idea how well he will do but I will be rooting for him.

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lol

Hahahaha. Bye Heels.

I did 4 brackets I am such a sucker for the 10/7 upset and the 12/5 upset, lol  

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That game made the Butler UCONN final look good. Fitting that the ref missed the NC player out of bounds at the end. What a horrible game all around considering the tournament was pretty good.

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It sure wasn't pretty but for all the close calls through the years Carolina deserved this one.  To be able to come back from being robbed a year ago and lose your 2 best players.  What an incredible job by this team.  The officials wouldn't let the teams play but at least this year it was more even w/ bad calls and the team that deserved to win actually won the title.  

What a crazy run of toughness from these guys, down 5 late to Arkansas, down 5 late to Kentucky, down by a bucket late to Gonzaga and then they went on incredible runs w/ O and D to pull out those games.  Just an incredible run from a great group of people. 

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I picked UNC in my bracket and I still did so bad that I just handed a female in my office 20 bucks.  Her strategy?  She took all the #1's to the Final Four and had UNC beating the Zags. 

hahaha - lesson learned, dont get cute.  

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UNC isn't going to the White House. Not like they're going to miss class,so what else are they doing? UNC spent $18 million on their defense to avoid the death penalty.  And Williams still has his job and a host of media people overlooking this charade. What a joke.

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5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

It sure wasn't pretty but for all the close calls through the years Carolina deserved this one.  To be able to come back from being robbed a year ago and lose your 2 best players.  What an incredible job by this team.  The officials wouldn't let the teams play but at least this year it was more even w/ bad calls and the team that deserved to win actually won the title.  

What a crazy run of toughness from these guys, down 5 late to Arkansas, down 5 late to Kentucky, down by a bucket late to Gonzaga and then they went on incredible runs w/ O and D to pull out those games.  Just an incredible run from a great group of people. 

Next up, the challenges of reading and long division. 

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4 hours ago, nyjunc said:

What is that supposed to mean?

UNC basketball players  under Roy Williams do not go to class. May be Ol'Roy pretends otherwise, but that is not reality. They are hardly alone in that regard in college hoops(casting a hairy eyeball toward the state of Kentucky among many others).  Do you wish to pretend otherwise? As parent of a student who is in the process of planning out how to pay for my son's education, that kind of nonsense disgusts me. If I were a UNC parent and my tuition checks were subsidizing this embarrassment I would be aghast. Again, UNC is not alone, but I don't see anything to celebrate here. 

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9 hours ago, Bugg said:

UNC basketball players  under Roy Williams do not go to class. May be Ol'Roy pretends otherwise, but that is not reality. They are hardly alone in that regard in college hoops(casting a hairy eyeball toward the state of Kentucky among many others).  Do you wish to pretend otherwise? As parent of a student who is in the process of planning out how to pay for my son's education, that kind of nonsense disgusts me. If I were a UNC parent and my tuition checks were subsidizing this embarrassment I would be aghast. Again, UNC is not alone, but I don't see anything to celebrate here. 

 

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You really shouldn't speak about things you don't have a clue about.  Do some research then get back to me.  What Roy Williams(the greatest coach if this generation) and Carolina have done especially in the face of these false allegations where they have been essentially on probation the last 3-4 years and despite that are one fairly officiated game from going to back to back.  it's simply amazing and I get the jealousy but do some research and you will understand Carolina basketball did nothing wrong, athletes weren't steered to classes, athletes had to actually do the work to get grades and that the classes were open to all students and filled w/ more non athletes than athletes.

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3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

 

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You really shouldn't speak about things you don't have a clue about.  Do some research then get back to me.  What Roy Williams(the greatest coach if this generation) and Carolina have done especially in the face of these false allegations where they have been essentially on probation the last 3-4 years and despite that are one fairly officiated game from going to back to back.  it's simply amazing and I get the jealousy but do some research and you will understand Carolina basketball did nothing wrong, athletes weren't steered to classes, athletes had to actually do the work to get grades and that the classes were open to all students and filled w/ more non athletes than athletes.

$18 million to defend against the fraud, which they eventually conceded. And escaped the death penalty only because ...North Carolina. And Roy Williams knew nothing.A gain, Pitino, Calipari and Boheim are as bad, they simply didn't get caught, or as badly. 

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Nothing has been conceded, they have been fighting for years and they have the evidence on their side.

 

It's hard to know something about something that never happened.  There's no evidence which is why nothing had happened.

 

Read this:

 

www.tarheelblog.com/2016/4/26/11505372/catfishing-the-banner-chasers

 

 

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Searing NY Times article about UNC:   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/sports/ncaabasketball/north-carolina-final-four-cheating-fake-classes.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

North Carolina’s Dominance Fails to Cover Cheating’s Stain

Such glorious days these are for the University of North Carolina Tar Heels. The basketball team is in the Final Four, a championship so close as to put the campus into a state of vibration. And Roy Williams, their down-home coach, finds himself celebrated for hill-country wit and hoops acumen.

Rival coaches bow as his acolytes.

“When it all shakes out,” Gonzaga Coach Mark Few said, “he’ll be one of the Mount Rushmore types in college coaching.”

I’d genuflect myself, if only I could administer a mind wipe.

Amid the blue-and-white pompoms, few are so rude as to mention that the University of North Carolina, the Microsoft of college basketball, remains enmeshed in a scandal of spectacular proportions. Put simply, for two decades until 2013, the university provided fake classes for many hundreds of student athletes, most of them basketball and football players.

Coach Williams’s longtime man Friday, Wayne Walden, a former academic counselor, played switchman, steering basketball players to these classes. A touch of plagiarism, a no-show, were O.K. if it gave the young man more time to work on his drop step. There was one goal: Keep those grade-point averages at the minimum needed to compete for the university.

University officials take great umbrage at this. They claim to have investigated thoroughly. This is nonsense. I waded through their reports, and it was like watching a reluctant striptease.

The first reports, declared definitive by top administrators, found a problem with a professor and an administrator in the department in question, African and Afro-American studies. No one else knew, not the athletic director, the dean, or the army of tutors and athletic support personnel. “Aberrant” and “irregular,” the report’s authors harrumphed. Sleepy N.C.A.A. officials signed off: No real scandal here; let’s move on.

Emails show, however, that behind the scenes, the university officials and board members knew that the misconduct extended deeper. The chairman of the Board of Governors wrote in an email that he had repeatedly asked administrators to purge people who were involved in “fake classes.”

“Their inability to answer this basic question undermines their credibility,” he wrote.

It’s important to stop here and bow in the direction of one newspaper, The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C., and its reporter on the story, Dan Kane, who took to the scent like the finest of bloodhounds. He exposed nearly every corruption, including the emails mentioned here.

University officials reacted in time-honored fashion: They heaped abuse on the reporter and the paper, accusing them of vox populi scandal-mongering. Nor did the university appreciate faculty members who had the temerity to ask why a top academic institution tolerated decades of terrible education for its athletes.

A historian, Jay Smith, has written a book, “Cheated,” on this case, and recently taught a class: “Big-Time College Sports and the Rights of Athletes, 1956 to the Present.” Students loved it; his classroom was filled. Last fall, the university canceled the class for a year.

“It’s very disillusioning to live through the last six years here,” Smith told me. “The university is operating like a crime family, and it shows the lengths to which they will go to protect their athletic machine.”

He reported that 3,100 students had received one or more semesters of lousy instruction and that poor work found reward in high grades. Student athletes, particularly those from the “revenue sports” — basketball and football — were steered to these poor or nonexistent courses, and in some cases, they were told they could sleep in class.

Many shared in the dirty secrets.

“Beyond those university personnel who were aware of red flags,” Wainstein wrote, “there were a large number among the Chapel Hill faculty, deans and athletics personnel, who knew that there were easy-grading classes with little rigor.”

“Little rigor” is a term of art that begs for definition.

Wainstein asked three outside experts to look at a sample of class papers. They found that in 40 percent of the papers, one-quarter or more of the content was plagiarized. The average grade for those papers was close to an A-minus.

It is worth noting that The News & Observer unearthed concrete evidence of worse, which is to say that athletes were given classes and “independent studies” that flat-out did not exist. And Rashad McCants, a former player on the Tar Heels’ basketball team, said that tutors regularly wrote papers for students. A number of his teammates have disputed this.

As always, mum was the word. Wainstein notes that many administrators “made a conscious decision not to ask questions” about irregularities. Some faculty members took the role of useful fools, vigorously defending the indefensible.

So the outlines of the mess came into focus. And the university dropped pretense. Last fall, its lawyers acknowledged that, yes, we have deeply flawed classes, but that is a matter for an accrediting organization. It is none of the N.C.A.A.’s business. They argued that N.C.A.A. investigators had had their chance to unearth this years ago. They muffed it, and so, tough luck.

“We’ve worked collaboratively with the N.C.A.A. enforcement staff,” said Bubba Cunningham, the university’s director of athletics. “We have serious concerns about the process.”

Cunningham is a man under much pressure. College sport, however, has its rewards. Last autumn, the university gave him a $60,000 raise, bringing his salary to $705,853.

Woven into the issue are questions of race, and class, and the grotesque economics of big-time college sports.

A few years back, Reginald Hildebrand, who is black and is a retired professor of history who taught in the department of African and Afro-American studies, wrote a searching essay. He pointed to evidence that, made-up classes aside, it was an otherwise rigorous department.

He wrote of the fundamental conflict between the educational mission of a great university and “running a successful professional minor league franchise” such as Tar Heels basketball. A good coach, he noted, for a revenue-producing sport is paid more than some entire departments. When athletics sets the priorities, one cannot help but corrode the other.

Then there’s the question of athletes who arrive at this elite university with often ragged academics.

“Everybody believes in affirmative action when it comes to the admission of athletes,” Hildebrand wrote.

North Carolina has made a show of addressing this, hiring a legion of tutors and note takers and building a 29,000-square-foot academic support center. This, Hildebrand notes, is done so that the athletes can survive in the classroom while never losing their focus on athletics, which is why they are at the university.

The athletes could be pulled into the mainstream of the university, he wrote, but to do so would require many hours of extra study in those first semesters, and time away from sport.

“It isn’t that coaches don’t really care about the welfare of the young men,” Hildebrand noted. “It’s just that they have millions of dollars at stake.”

So we have a truth outburst. Few coaches of sound mind would think of echoing it. In October 2014, reporters asked Williams about the N.C.A.A. investigation. He sighed.

“It’s been a pain in the rear end,” he said. “I feel strongly, strongly, that we did things the right way.”

He was strongly incorrect. Then again, he makes $2 million a year and got more than $500,000 for making it to the Final Four. So what do I know?

The expired are more honest. Butch Davis was fired as football coach in 2011 during the investigation into the academics of his program.

The Wainstein report described his awakening when he arrived at Chapel Hill in 2006: “He quickly realized that there was lots of talk about the importance of academics without anything to back up that talk. He found Chapel Hill’s attitude toward student-athlete academics to be like an Easter egg: Beautiful and impressive to the outside world but without much life inside.”

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It's comical how people fall for fake news.  Read that link I posted about the journalistic genius if Dan Kane.  

 

It's lazy "journalism" on the part of those that rehash Dan Kane junk which had been debunked.

 

 

It's all jealousy though.   I hope all the while haters enjoyed the latest title run.  Not even a game scandal can keep this program down for long.

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On 4/6/2017 at 5:47 PM, nj meadowlands said:

FAKE NEWS MAGA

It's not surprising that someone like you would fall for that crap.

 

Keep your head up though, in another 30 years Nova may win another title.  Hopefully this time without crooked officiating.

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Berry, Pinson and Bradley have all declared without hitting agents to test the NBA process.  Needless to say they hold the date if the Heels 2017-18 season in their hands.  All 3 back great chance for third straight FF.  2 of 3 back decent chance, one back and slim chance, none back no chance.

 

I'd assume Pinson is back, sounds like berry will be back too unless he tears it up in pre draft process.  The big one will be Bradley.

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