JohnnyLV Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Since the Jets did try to get the #1 pick, they are high on 1 or both of these guys. What are the thoughts on who it is? It seems based on some articles I read that Goffr is likely the guy for LA. So for the Jets, If it is Wentz then we could see a trade to #2 possibly if Cleveland is not sold.on a QB or possibly at 4 if that rumor about Dallas and Mo was true. Also brings into play Laremy as he could fall to 6 ish and might be worrth going and getting the LT of our future, but I think if we do trade up then it is for Wentz, The Jets did schedule Goff but that could be to disguise their interest in Wentz. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Francesa is convinced LA traded up for Wentz. Therefore I have to assume it was for Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet in PA Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 If LA drafts Wentz I'm going to be screaming for a trade up. I'm just worried we'll have to give up the house to get there. 20-2 is roughly the same jump as 15-1 that LA had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Neither. They're not going to be there at 20 and they're not worth the risk/cost of moving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 27 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Francesa is convinced LA traded up for Wentz. Therefore I have to assume it was for Goff. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, Jet in PA said: If LA drafts Wentz I'm going to be screaming for a trade up. I'm just worried we'll have to give up the house to get there. 20-2 is roughly the same jump as 15-1 that LA had. Not happening, for the reasons you gave. TOO many other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Wentz/Lynch are boom/bust guys with 15 year NFL Franchise QB upside. Goff seems more NFL ready with a much higher floor yet much lower ceiling. I hate to repeat what others have said about him but its too perfect. The guy is going to be a poor mans Matt Ryan. I believe Goff will play much better in a dome as he floats his long passes. With a dome(I believe) on the horizon in LA and the need for someone to play immediately/Sell tickets it seems like Goff is the perfect for fit LA. Plus where did goff go to school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 33 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Francesa is convinced LA traded up for Wentz. Therefore I have to assume it was for Goff. He also had us contacting TB for Glennon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 one of you guys had posted Big Mac himself visiting one of Goff's games ... In addition to the visit with us ... Don't think our interest in him is a smokescreen. Mo would have to be involved in the move up. more dots seem to connect him to LA at 1 than Wentz though as Shockwave states above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 46 minutes ago, Shockwave said: Wentz/Lynch are boom/bust guys with 15 year NFL Franchise QB upside. Goff seems more NFL ready with a much higher floor yet much lower ceiling. I hate to repeat what others have said about him but its too perfect. The guy is going to be a poor mans Matt Ryan. I believe Goff will play much better in a dome as he floats his long passes. With a dome(I believe) on the horizon in LA and the need for someone to play immediately/Sell tickets it seems like Goff is the perfect for fit LA. Plus where did goff go to school? The whole city of Los Angeles should be put under a dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: Since the Jets did try to get the #1 pick, they are high on 1 or both of these guys. What are the thoughts on who it is? It seems based on some articles I read that Goffr is likely the guy for LA. So for the Jets, If it is Wentz then we could see a trade to #2 possibly if Cleveland is not sold.on a QB or possibly at 4 if that rumor about Dallas and Mo was true. Also brings into play Laremy as he could fall to 6 ish and might be worrth going and getting the LT of our future, but I think if we do trade up then it is for Wentz, The Jets did schedule Goff but that could be to disguise their interest in Wentz. Thoughts? Besides Tony Pauline trying to get some relevance, what makes you think the Jets tried to trade up to #1? Do you really think "Come Back To NY" is the only one who would have this story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Wentz would be my pick, upside is Big Ben without the rape charges, just not sure I want the Jets to sell the farm to trade up Goff threw 5 interceptions in 1 game last year, after ChezGeno that is almost all I need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 that's like, " the 5th terminator movie or the the harry potter movie about the order of the whatever" I still think everybody is talking themselves into thinking these guys are any good. if it wasn't for the scarcity of good QB's, on merit alone, I think neither guy is a top 20 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 This draft reminds me of 1993.....Wentz is Bledsoe , Goff is Mirer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I prefer to gamble on development, over flaws. I prefer Wentz and Lynch more so than Goff - largely because the latter showed a tendency to make a lot of poor decisions. Regardless, I'm just not buying the "serious" offer. Pauline's the ONLY one reporting that. Could have been Mac testing the waters to see value difference between picks #1 & #10.... The quickest way to get fired as a GM is to mortgage your entire franchise to move up 20 picks and take some FCS qb who doesn't pan out. that'll get your seat warm faster than a breakfast burrito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I don't think it's close. Wentz is a franchise QB. He will be an all pro. Goff will be ok but he might not be the 4th best QB in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, Paradis said: I prefer to gamble on development, over flaws. I prefer Wentz and Lynch more so than Goff - largely because the latter showed a tendency to make a lot of poor decisions. Regardless, I'm just not buying the "serious" offer. Pauline's the ONLY one reporting that. Could have been Mac testing the waters to see value difference between picks #1 & #10.... The quickest way to get fired as a GM is to mortgage your entire franchise to move up 20 picks and take some FCS qb who doesn't pan out. that'll get your seat warm faster than a breakfast burrito. I can confirm the jets offer was reported by others well before Pauline reported it. It was one of the basis for the thread : "Expect the Jets to move up for Lynch thread" and I mentioned it in the first post well before Pauline said it. I think 2-3 different reporters mentioned it in minor news when announcing the Rams/Titans deal. Sorry I can't find the exact tweet but I'm guessing Pauline saw those tweets and simply got confirmation via whatever minor source he has. IMO I think its pretty legit bc Mac wants Mo gone and he's floating offers to move up for a QB with him since teams are so hesitant to move high draft picks for players. Just another way to get value for Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Just now, Shockwave said: I can confirm the jets offer was reported by others well before Pauline reported it. It was one of the basis for the thread : "Expect the Jets to move up for Lynch thread". I think 2-3 different reporters mentioned it in minor news when announcing the Rams/Titans deal. Sorry I can't find the exact tweet but I'm guessing Pauline saw those tweets and simply got confirmation via whatever minor source he has. IMO I think its pretty legit bc Mac wants Mo gone and he's floating offers to move up for a QB with him since teams are so hesitant to move high draft picks for players. Just another way to get value for Mo. I don't think it was BS that he called and threw a package together to gauge interest... that was reported by multiple people.. but the narrative that the Jets were this close to making the deal, i've only read that based his report. Maybe it's true, but I'm not sold. Based on what i've seen - Macc works the entire first round; checks all the big prospects out, gauges trade interest, etc. Maybe his agenda simply reads "Get a QB"... and so he started at the top, and will now work his way down. Above all, i'd be shocked if he was willing to stake his rep and job on something more than just Mo + #20.. and maybe some other picks.. the kind of deal LA put together is either a career maker or breaker for a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 hours ago, flgreen said: Besides Tony Pauline trying to get some relevance, what makes you think the Jets tried to trade up to #1? Do you really think "Come Back To NY" is the only one who would have this story? What is Come Back To NY? Is that like a homosexual NFL fan blog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Joe Jets fan said: I don't think it's close. Wentz is a franchise QB. He will be an all pro. Goff will be ok but he might not be the 4th best QB in this class. Wentz is the best Qb in this draft class. Just cuz fatcessa said it doesn't mean it's wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Just guessing nut Tony probably has an long time employee as his "snitch." He has accurately predicted several things over the last several years pertaining to the Jets. Last year in February, he stated that the Jets were very interested in Carpenter, quite a while before we signed him. so if said the Jets tried to move up to #1, I believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Paradis said: I don't think it was BS that he called and threw a package together to gauge interest... that was reported by multiple people.. but the narrative that the Jets were this close to making the deal, i've only read that based his report. Maybe it's true, but I'm not sold. Based on what i've seen - Macc works the entire first round; checks all the big prospects out, gauges trade interest, etc. Maybe his agenda simply reads "Get a QB"... and so he started at the top, and will now work his way down. Above all, i'd be shocked if he was willing to stake his rep and job on something more than just Mo + #20.. and maybe some other picks.. the kind of deal LA put together is either a career maker or breaker for a GM. Yea that makes more sense. I wouldn't discount him being aggressive with a QB sooner or later. He's a smart guy and knows sooner or later his job will be determined based on drafting a QB. He sent 6 people to Mariota's workout last year so I'm assuming he's very serious about grabbing one sooner then later. Were a very old team with no long term answer at QB. Lets say we DONT draft a QB high this year. Would it shock anyone if we had a poor season (6-10?). Would it shock anyone to see Fitzpatrick sign elsewhere or not be as successful this year? Revis, Harris, Mangold, and old and can take a step back. If we have that type of year theres going to be A-lot of pressure on us to win next year or he could easily be getting the idzik treatment. In that scenario which is not THAT far fetched he would be forced to draft a QB next year and ride with him as a rookie with his job riding on a rookie. Its a very dangerous place for a GM. Thats why many will draft one early in their second season as the first season is kind of finding your needs and what you have. This is Mac's second season. For that reason I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago jumps on a QB as any smart GM will move on from Jay Cutler ASAP. I also would expect John Elway to be very aggressive if Lynch is within striking distance. He loves big QB's with big arms. Lastly Buffalo seems not to want to pay Tyrod Taylor and has no problem jumping up in the draft as you saw with Sammy Watkins. So I do think Mac will be aggressive if Lynch is his guy. But I surely think he's going to have to be. With most people expecting Goff/Wentz to go 1/2 that leaves ALOT of teams that are going to fight for the other first round QB. Any time you have one last player thats in a teir people will try to jump up to grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 1 hour ago, drdetroit said: What is Come Back To NY? Is that like a homosexual NFL fan blog? No, no nothing that exciting, just an old poster on JI. Sorry, didn't mean to give you false hope Dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 6 hours ago, Shockwave said: Wentz/Lynch are boom/bust guys with 15 year NFL Franchise QB upside. Hard hitting stuff right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I like Wentz, as do I think the Rams traded up to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Both Goff and Wentz are pretty much screwed. One gets Fisher, the other gets Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Pcola said: Just guessing nut Tony probably has an long time employee as his "snitch." He has accurately predicted several things over the last several years pertaining to the Jets. Last year in February, he stated that the Jets were very interested in Carpenter, quite a while before we signed him. so if said the Jets tried to move up to #1, I believe him. The NY Slimes is biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 4 hours ago, NYJCAP2 said: I like Wentz, as do I think the Rams traded up to get him. No, they went up to get Goff. Mac was targeting Goff, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 4 hours ago, jetrider said: Both Goff and Wentz are pretty much screwed. One gets Fisher, the other gets Jets. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 12 hours ago, detectivekimble said: No, they went up to get Goff. Mac was targeting Goff, too. Why do you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Shockwave said: Yea that makes more sense. I wouldn't discount him being aggressive with a QB sooner or later. He's a smart guy and knows sooner or later his job will be determined based on drafting a QB. He sent 6 people to Mariota's workout last year so I'm assuming he's very serious about grabbing one sooner then later. Were a very old team with no long term answer at QB. Lets say we DONT draft a QB high this year. Would it shock anyone if we had a poor season (6-10?). Would it shock anyone to see Fitzpatrick sign elsewhere or not be as successful this year? Revis, Harris, Mangold, and old and can take a step back. If we have that type of year theres going to be A-lot of pressure on us to win next year or he could easily be getting the idzik treatment. In that scenario which is not THAT far fetched he would be forced to draft a QB next year and ride with him as a rookie with his job riding on a rookie. Its a very dangerous place for a GM. Thats why many will draft one early in their second season as the first season is kind of finding your needs and what you have. This is Mac's second season. For that reason I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago jumps on a QB as any smart GM will move on from Jay Cutler ASAP. I also would expect John Elway to be very aggressive if Lynch is within striking distance. He loves big QB's with big arms. Lastly Buffalo seems not to want to pay Tyrod Taylor and has no problem jumping up in the draft as you saw with Sammy Watkins. So I do think Mac will be aggressive if Lynch is his guy. But I surely think he's going to have to be. With most people expecting Goff/Wentz to go 1/2 that leaves ALOT of teams that are going to fight for the other first round QB. Any time you have one last player thats in a teir people will try to jump up to grab him. Oh, I agree. I think it's 10000% certainty Mac is going to try to move up for a QB... I get the sense that this regime knows they can't head into 2017 with a regressed Fitz and only Petty under contract. They need to find the solution today... this year. They tried last year, didn't happen, but I think (and hope) they'll make Lynch a Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 9 hours ago, NYJCAP2 said: Why do you say? Mac loves Goff. The teams at the top of the draft prefer Goff over Wentz, too. The Jets are taking a hard look at the QBs. Hackenberg, maybe? He's smart, tough, and has good physical tools. He was in a no-win situation at PSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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