ProFootballFocus slaughters Christian Hackenberg: rates him as UNDRAFTABLE

[T0mShane]

6 hours ago, The Troll said:

 

[Dcat]

12 hours ago, dbatesman said:

I'm not being cheeky. Geno put up video game numbers at WVU. Hackenberg never cracked 60% in any of his three seasons at Penn State.

apples/oranges comparison.  Geno was in a one-read spread and never took a snap under center.  When he cam out no one knew how he would manage a pro offense (just like Petty). Geno had far better weapons as a soph/jr senior than Hack did in his last 2 seasons.  After Alan Robinson left for the NFL, Hack had nothing.  Geno had weapons.  Hack didn't. He had D2 quality players after O'Brien left.

[T0mShane]

So, all we have to do is fix his confidence, his accuracy, and his pocket presence and we're all set, says Jets fans who just went through a decade of watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith.

[Dcat]

11 hours ago, predator_05 said:

Yeah but we knew Geno was playing in a gimmicky spread offense...his numbers weren't a true reflection of his actual abilities.

shhh.  Never offer facts as a rebuttal to an opinion-only driven contention with no logical merit.  It's not the JN way, you know. Here, you must always react on emotion and instinct, no matter how irrational.  Get with the program Predator and you'll fit in fine.

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, Dcat said:

apples/oranges comparison.  Geno was in a one-read spread and never took a snap under center.  When he cam out no one knew how he would manage a pro offense (just like Petty). Geno had far better weapons as a soph/jr senior than Hack did in his last 2 seasons.  After Alan Robinson left for the NFL, Hack had nothing.  Geno had weapons.  Hack didn't. He had D2 quality players after O'Brien left.

weapinz!

[Dcat]

9 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

I am getting sick of PFF

PFF has been a fraud with its rankings for years now.  Fuzzy stats that they use in unconventional ways.  Completely bogus.  Add to that the FACT that PFFeditors/owners  hate the Jets and have always ripped everything the Jets do (similar to Walter, who have been slamming the Jets for many more years than PFF).  At least Walter uses traditional stas to evaluate.  PFF makes up sh!t as it goes along.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, all we have to do is fix his confidence, his accuracy, and his pocket presence and we're all set, says Jets fans who just went through s decade of watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith.

It might be time for Namath to give the devil his due, he got the SB victory, now he needs to settle the deal so the Jets can be released from the curse

[Dcat]

7 hours ago, jetsons said:

Just watch video of him the last 2yrs... if that doesn't answer your question, I can't help you.

what, Hackenburg playing in a spread system not suitable for him with terrible D2 level OL and WRs?  Are you serious?  LOL

[Gas2No99]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, all we have to do is fix his confidence, his accuracy, and his pocket presence and we're all set, says Jets fans who just went through s decade of watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith.

Yeah, except Hackenberg won't be thrust into the fire like Sanchez and Geno were in their rookie years. 

So, unlike the Trial By Fire which TORCHED our previous 2 highly drafted &  touted QB prospects in their formative years, Hackenberg will get to learn at his own pace and play when the coaching staff (non-idiotic unlike 2009-2014) deems him ready. 

[Dcat]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

No, I just think it's interesting that you'd fault Geno for imploding when you're comparing him to a player whose entire college career was an implosion.

convenient of you to completely ignore the exact opposites in surrounding circumstances for both players. Fine, if you want to stick to your extraordinarily superficial evaluation, then go ahead and enjoy.  You are a Jets fan after all, so it's practically innate to look at anything through pessimistic lenses, right?

[Dcat]

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We drafted Hackenberg less than 12 hours ago, and he's already getting the weapinz treatment. This fan base deserves every awful thing that happens to it.

it's true dude.  But just ignore the facts. 

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, drdetroit said:

I'm not a big Hackenburg fan but he has the same odds of being a succesful NFL Qb as Lynch but only cost us a 2nd

Mac feels he has a better chance for success than Lynch.  

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We drafted Hackenberg less than 12 hours ago, and he's already getting the weapinz treatment. This fan base deserves every awful thing that happens to it.

Eventually the excuses will graduate from mere weapinz to the more substantial wepponz.

When he sees the field it will be after Marshall/Decker are not as good of a duo, or after Marshall is off the team outright and we bring back David Nelson to take his place. Then the padawan will truly be a Jets QB.

He would have been Aaron Rodgers if only [insert excuse(s)]. I can't wait. 

[Dcat]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, all we have to do is fix his confidence, his accuracy, and his pocket presence and we're all set, says Jets fans who just went through a decade of watching Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith.

lol.  Like you wouldn't have to do the same or even more to train Lynch how to play in the NFL?  Lynch is every bit of a project that Hackenburg is and perhaps less.  

Your post pretty much suggests that Mac turned his back on an opportunuity to get a QB who is NFL ready.  Lynch has MORE things in need of "fixing" than Hackenburg, but never mind the truth.  Ridiculous. 

[BowlesMovement]

3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

We drafted Hackenberg less than 12 hours ago, and he's already getting the weapinz treatment. This fan base deserves every awful thing that happens to it.

Says the cat who was PRO Idzik, AND PRO Geno. Can't make this shizz up

[Dcat]

12 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Yeah, except Hackenberg won't be thrust into the fire like Sanchez and Geno were in their rookie years. 

So, unlike the Trial By Fire which TORCHED our previous 2 highly drafted &  touted QB prospects in their formative years, Hackenberg will get to learn at his own pace and play when the coaching staff (non-idiotic unlike 2009-2014) deems him ready. 

he posts as if the Jets chose Hack over some instant NFL-ready sure thing.  Never mind that Lynch is every bit of a project and moreso than Hackenburg is.  

[SoFlaJets]

Before reading any of this thread the initial thought that comes to mind is this; Could it be that perhaps the people who DO the job of scouting and assessing talent, brains, character, and growth potential might just know a few things about Christian Hackenberg that we don't?

  

[Paradis]

What a disaster.

Good for you guys talking yourselves through it tho.

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[Dcat]

Just now, Paradis said:

What a disaster.

Good for you guys talking yourselves through it tho.

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it's only a disaster if one buys in to the ridiculous "Lynch is a quality pick" stand you have been taking.  Never bought into that garbage from day 1.  Lynch, Cook, Hack each spent a day in Florham Park being interviewed, tested evaluated physically, mentally, attitudinally.  Jets had all the time in the world to do the necessary due dilligence and decided that Lynch just wasn't worth the risk but Hackenburg is.  Yet we should trust the one and only  "Paradis" view, one with little established merit, IMO, when it comes to Lynch.  sigh.  Ok, sure. 

[T0mShane]

25 minutes ago, Dcat said:

shhh.  Never offer facts as a rebuttal to an opinion-only driven contention with no logical merit.  It's not the JN way, you know. Here, you must always react on emotion and instinct, no matter how irrational.  Get with the program Predator and you'll fit in fine.

Tell us more about this "logical merit" and "opinion-driven contention," man who insists that there are no statistics credible enough to measure Hackenberg's performance.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Dcat said:

lol.  Like you wouldn't have to do the same or even more to train Lynch how to play in the NFL?  Lynch is every bit of a project that Hackenburg is and perhaps less.  

Your post pretty much suggests that Mac turned his back on an opportunuity to get a QB who is NFL ready.  Lynch has MORE things in need of "fixing" than Hackenburg, but never mind the truth.  Ridiculous. 

SPOILER ALERT: you can't fix accuracy, pocket presence, or lack of confidence.

[T0mShane]

23 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Yeah, except Hackenberg won't be thrust into the fire like Sanchez and Geno were in their rookie years. 

So, unlike the Trial By Fire which TORCHED our previous 2 highly drafted &  touted QB prospects in their formative years, Hackenberg will get to learn at his own pace and play when the coaching staff (non-idiotic unlike 2009-2014) deems him ready. 

This could be true.

[Dcat]

6 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

Before reading any of this thread the initial thought that comes to mind is this; Could it be that perhaps the people who DO the job of scouting and assessing talent, brains, character, and growth potential might just know a few things about Christian Hackenberg that we don't?

  

yup.  But I'm sure the JN know-it-all gurus, just like Mac and the Jets coaching team, spent an entire day each with hack, Cook and Lynch individually evaluating their mental, physical and attitudinal abilities and tendencies while interviewing and getting a fuller sense of what they have to choose among. Have no fear... JN experts are here.

[BowlesMovement]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

SPOILER ALERT: you can't fix accuracy, pocket presence, or lack of confidence.

You absolutely can fix accuracy if its a mechanics issue. What you can't fix are dumb, bad arm. Neither of those are traits of his. 

[Dcat]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Tell us more about this "logical merit" and "opinion-driven contention," man who insists that there are no statistics credible enough to measure Hackenberg's performance.

tell us about all the positive evidence "proving" that Lynch is a better prospect for the future.  Your entire position, just like everyone else's, rests on your own assumptions.  None of them corroborated. 

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

SPOILER ALERT: you can't fix accuracy, pocket presence, or lack of confidence.

Except by giving a guy more than 1.2 seconds to throw a football, having offensive lineman that don't block each other for two years and combine that with wide receivers that are better than the crap he's had for two years. Hey, how about a coaching staff that doesn't **** with your footwork?

[BowlesMovement]

21 minutes ago, Dcat said:

it's true dude.  But just ignore the facts. 

He's just upset that his hero GM flopped so bad. So now he's looking to kill Mac to retaliate. 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Except by giving a guy more than 1.2 seconds to throw a football, having offensive lineman that don't block each other for two years and combine that with wide receivers that are better than the crap he's had for two years.

1.2 seconds sounds extreme.

[SayNoToDMC]

24 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Yeah, except Hackenberg won't be thrust into the fire like Sanchez and Geno were in their rookie years. 

So, unlike the Trial By Fire which TORCHED our previous 2 highly drafted &  touted QB prospects in their formative years, Hackenberg will get to learn at his own pace and play when the coaching staff (non-idiotic unlike 2009-2014) deems him ready. 

The problem is his formative years might have already been torched if the Temple game I saw was any indication of what the last 2 years without Obrien where like at Penn.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

tell us about all the positive evidence "proving" that Lynch is a better prospect for the future.  Your entire position, just like everyone else's, rests on your own assumptions.  None of them corroborated. 

Is this the "logical merit" or the "opinion-driven contention" part?

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

He's just upset that his hero GM flopped so bad. So now he's looking to kill Mac to retaliate. 

Batesman did not like Idzik at all.

[Ex-Rex]

The Jets worked him out privately and met with him on several occasions and it was clear that he was 'their guy' pretty much all along. Didn't fit the read option offense Penn State ran, he is more of a pro style guy. His accuracy issues trouble me, but he does pre-snap reads very well. I hope Gailey can get the most out of him.

[SoFlaJets]

4 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

You absolutely can fix accuracy if its a mechanics issue. What you can't fix are dumb, bad arm. Neither of those are traits of his. 

You saved me a post there BM, while most of the time I tend to agree with Tommy S in this case I have to disagree. How many times have we seen MLB pitchers be able to change their effectiveness by being coached up and watching tape to see what they have been doing wrong and then fixing the problem and becoming one of the better hurlers in the league?

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said:

You absolutely can fix accuracy of its a mechanics issue.

One job. He has one job. Meaningless nonsense like 'mechanics' might suffice in April but when it's time to throw the ball to the guy a socket wrench isn't gonna cure what ails Hackenberg unless you hit him over the head with it and send in the backup.

[The Crusher]

17 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

Before reading any of this thread the initial thought that comes to mind is this; Could it be that perhaps the people who DO the job of scouting and assessing talent, brains, character, and growth potential might just know a few things about Christian Hackenberg that we don't?

  

No way. We got this.