Is Geno a leader?

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Any NFL locker room some player punches  out there starting Qb , that guy doesn't make it out of there without some serious damage inflicted on him.    

That didn't happen , and that says a lot right there what His teammates think of him.    Clincher is when the Bills played the Jets later in the year - there were a lot of buddy buddy going on between Jet players, and their ex teammate.  ( why)

And you know this how exactly?  Because you've seen it happen when?  

Great, players returned greeting with someone who had a melt down.  There's all the proof you need right there.  

None of which makes the original point wrong.  You don't hit someone over this. You don't assault others.  

[Villain The Foe]

4 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Any NFL locker room some player punches  out there starting Qb , that guy doesn't make it out of there without some serious damage inflicted on him.    

That didn't happen , and that says a lot right there what His teammates think of him.    Clincher is when the Bills played the Jets later in the year - there were a lot of buddy buddy going on between Jet players, and their ex teammate.  ( why)

This makes no sense. 

[Raideraholic]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

And you know this how exactly?  Because you've seen it happen when?  

Great, players returned greeting with someone who had a melt down.  There's all the proof you need right there.  

You can't handle the truth( can show you all the proof and you still won't believe it.( in your own little make believe  world) - okay Geno is a great leader whose going to take the Jets to the promise land.   <roll eyes>

Players want to win, and no player going to be so forgiving to an ex-teammate who Jeopardized their season. ( must not have played any sport competitively  to not understand why). 

[EM31]

31 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And whether he is the only one ever has boing to do with this.  But then again even that statement puts it on Geno.  The correct statement would have been that in the history of the NFL IK is the only scrub, jag player to assault his QB. 

The whole locker on did squat.  Most said it shouldn't have happened.  You and the anti Geno fans have turned it into something as ridiculous as comparing an person who was assaulted with a jaywalker walking into traffic.  

Move on, it's pointless if you believe any of your own story

I believe there was fault on both sides.

You apparently do not.

Free pass from Jet Nut for Geno.  Those who do not learn from history and so forth....

And no, how about YOU move on.  The facts and the outcome are more supportive of my take on things than they are of yours.

[Villain The Foe]

10 minutes ago, EM31 said:

  Those who do not learn from history and so forth....

 

Maybe the Jets should learn from the Bills when giving Fitz a large contract. 

Because those who dont learn from history....and so forth. 

[Raideraholic]

11 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

This makes no sense. 

because you want to believe in Geno Smith.( even though you know deep down you know what I speak is true.   you look past all his faults, trying to convince your self that he can be something he never shown to be - a legitimate Nfl Qb.  

Just because he is the Jets only option right now at Qb.   You can try to persuade everyone that Geno Smith has grown up mentally, as I can wait for him to self destruct on the football field/ off the field.( go to the movies and blow off practice).

[EM31]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Maybe the Jets should learn from the Bills when giving Fitz a large contract. 

Because those who dont learn from history....and so forth. 

Or go from middle of the pack plus QB performance down to worst QB play in the NFL.... Those who don't.... and so forth

 

And really, the Bills contract when they gave it to him would qualify as large.... This one, no matter whose numbers you believe would not get anywhere near the zip code of large.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

because you want to believe in Geno Smith.( even though you know deep down you know what I speak is true.   you look past all his faults, trying to convince your self that he can be something he never shown to be - a legitimate Nfl Qb.  

Just because he is the Jets only option right now at Qb.   You can try to persuade everyone that Geno Smith has grown up mentally, as I can wait for him to self destruct on the football field/ off the field.( go to the movies and blow off practice).

this also makes no sense. Most of what you say dont make sense to the point of the owner of the site threatened to ban you for stuff that makes no sense. 

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Or go from middle of the pack plus QB performance down to worst QB play in the NFL.... Those who don't.... and so forth

 

And really, the Bills contract when they gave it to him would qualify as large.... This one, no matter whose numbers you believe would not get anywhere near the zip code of large.

middle of the pack performance, but not middle of the pack QB. Middle of the pack peformance because of top 5 level talent around him...so it evened out. 

 

Get a clue! 

[EM31]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

middle of the pack performance, but not middle of the pack QB. Middle of the pack peformance because of top 5 level talent around him...so it evened out. 

 

Get a clue! 

So exchanging Marshall for Harvin makes the worst offensive talent in the history of the NFL and turns them into "top-5 talent".  That myth has already been thouroughly debunked at least a million times.

How about you get a clue?

How about your exaggerating how "large" the contract numbers that are being talked about here?  Fitz is being offered bottom of the barrel starter money for one year and backup money in the years after that. Stop trying to claim that the size of the contract here is some outlandish top of the league type QB money.  It is a bullsh1t claim.  Or to be more accurate yet another bullsh1t claim..

How about your constant efforts to take a 39th rated QB level of performance and try to spin it is something other than what it really is..... Brutally bad?  Historically bad in fact... 39th out of 32 teams!  Just think about that for a moment.  At least six of the other backups in the league who played enough starts to qualify were rated better.  Where would he have been if all of the backups had started enough games to qualify?  64th maybe?

Brutally bad.

[Raideraholic]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

this also makes no sense. Most of what you say dont make sense to the point of the owner of the site threatened to ban you for stuff that makes no sense. 

Again never happen but if that is going to make you happy go ahead believe that.  that  story is as believable as Geno  Smith is a leader. 

Maybe you should look up the word leader In a dictionary- obviously you don't understand the meaning of the word.

[Raideraholic]

3 minutes ago, EM31 said:

So exchanging Marshall for Harvin makes the worst offensive talent in the history of the NFL and turns them into "top-5 talent".  That myth has already been thouroughly debunked at least a million times.

How about you get a clue?

How about your exaggerating how "large" the contract numbers that are being talked about here?  Fitz is being offered bottom of the barrel starter money for one year and backup money in the years after that. Stop trying to claim that the size of the contract here is some outlandish top of the league type QB money.  It is a bullsh1t claim.  Or to be more accurate yet another bullsh1t claim..

How about your constant efforts to take a 39th rated QB level of performance and try to spin it is something other than what it really is..... Brutally bad?  Historically bad in fact... 39th out of 32 teams!  Just think about that for a moment.  At least six of the other backups in the league who played enough starts to qualify were rated better.  Where would he have been if all of the backups had started enough games to qualify?  64th maybe?

Brutally bad.

Why argue with someone who thinks Mike Glennon is a good young Qb.  Right there should tell you his opinion on Qb isn't the best judgement around.

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, EM31 said:

So exchanging Marshall for Harvin makes the worst offensive talent in the history of the NFL and turns them into "top-5 talent".  That myth has already been thouroughly debunked at least a million times.

How about you get a clue?

How about your exaggerating how "large" the contract numbers that are being talked about here?  Fitz is being offered bottom of the barrel starter money for one year and backup money in the years after that. Stop trying to claim that the size of the contract here is some outlandish top of the league type QB money.  It is a bullsh1t claim.  Or to be more accurate yet another bullsh1t claim..

How about your constant efforts to take a 39th rated QB level of performance and try to spin it is something other than what it really is..... Brutally bad?  Historically bad in fact... 39th out of 32 teams!  Just think about that for a moment.  At least six of the other backups in the league who played enough starts to qualify were rated better.  Where would he have been if all of the backups had started enough games to qualify?  64th maybe?

Brutally bad.

Nope, exchanging Marshall for a injured Decker, exhanging a healthy decker for a Harvin that we got midseason that didnt even know the playbook, exchanging a HC interested in both sides of the ball in Todd Bowles for glorified Defensive coordinator in Rex Ryan, exchanging Chan Gailey for Marty Morningwhatever, Spending 140+ million revamping the defense from 24th in the league giving up points to 9th. Being dead last in turnovers to a top 10. 

 

"So exchaning Marshall for Harvin". You're a funny dude bro. Marshall replaced Jeremy Kerley if anything, since he was on the team for the entire season and Harvin was traded for midseason and clearly wasnt prepared. 

 

Get a clue! I'll respond to you when you finally say something worth responding to. This was just stupid. 

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Again never happen but if that is going to make you happy go ahead believe that.  that  story is as believable as Geno  Smith is a leader. 

Maybe you should look up the word leader In a dictionary- obviously you don't understand the meaning of the word.

This made no sense. 

[EM31]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

Nope, exchanging Marshall for a injured Decker, exhanging a healthy decker for a Harvin that we got midseason that didnt even know the playbook, exchanging a HC interested in both sides of the ball in Todd Bowles for glorified Defensive coordinator in Rex Ryan, exchanging Chan Gailey for Marty Morningwhatever, Spending 140+ million revamping the defense from 24th in the league giving up points to 9th. Being dead last in turnovers to a top 10. 

 

"So exchaning Marshall for Harvin". You're a funny dude bro. Marshall replaced Jeremy Kerley if anything, since he was on the team for the entire season and Harvin was traded for midseason and clearly wasnt prepared. 

 

Get a clue! I'll respond to you when you finally say something worth responding to. This was just stupid. 

Decker was injured both years.

Offensive line.  A wash  or better for Geno (younger)

Running backs.  Same (wash).  Ivory was injured both years.

Tight End - Nonexistant for Fitzpatrick - Better with Geno.

We shipped out Harvin and replaced him with Marshall.  Two all pro difference makers.

No, I think that myth is fully debunked.

 

 

[Villain The Foe]

52 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Decker was injured both years.

Offensive line.  A wash  or better for Geno (younger)

Running backs.  Same (wash).  Ivory was injured both years.

Tight End - Nonexistant for Fitzpatrick - Better with Geno.

We shipped out Harvin and replaced him with Marshall.  Two all pro difference makers.

No, I think that myth is fully debunked.

 

 

Stop making excuses.

Decker had a 1 game injury that didnt linger on the entire season like in 2014 in which he played injured the entire year. Why cant you admit this?

Offensive line was a wash? That's what you think of James Carpenter who had a probowl-like season? And Chan Gailey's scheme allowed for quick passes, helping the Oline.

Runningbacks not a wash, Ivory produced his first 1,000 yard season and career high in TD's and receiving in 2015. Powell was actually utilized correctly this past season. 

Tight End- Nonexistent for Fitz-better for Geno

We shipped out Harvin and replaced him with Enunwa. Harvin NEVER made the probowl as a WR but as a return specialist during his rookie season. Something he never did again. You can play semantics if you like, at the end of the day Percy Harvin has NEVER been a bonafide #1 WR receiver in the NFL and never broke 1000 yards receiving. Brandon Marshall did it 8 times for 5 different teams. You sound ridiculous. 

 

The only myth is your comparison. 

 

 

 

[nyjunc]

10 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Stop making excuses.

Decker had a 1 game injury that didnt linger on the entire season like in 2014 in which he played injured the entire year. Why cant you admit this?

Offensive line was a wash? That's what you think of James Carpenter who had a probowl-like season? And Chan Gailey's scheme allowed for quick passes, helping the Oline.

Runningbacks not a wash, Ivory produced his first 1,000 yard season and career high in TD's and receiving in 2015. Powell was actually utilized correctly this past season. 

Tight End- Nonexistent for Fitz-better for Geno

We shipped out Harvin and replaced him with Enunwa. Harvin NEVER made the probowl as a WR but as a return specialist during his rookie season. Something he never did again. You can play semantics if you like, at the end of the day Percy Harvin has NEVER been a bonafide #1 WR receiver in the NFL and never broke 1000 yards receiving. Brandon Marshall did it 8 times for 5 different teams. You sound ridiculous. 

 

The only myth is your comparison. 

 

 

 

is he comparing half a season or Harvin(after our season was over by the way) to Brandon Marshall?

[detectivekimble]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

So exchanging Marshall for Harvin makes the worst offensive talent in the history of the NFL and turns them into "top-5 talent".  That myth has already been thouroughly debunked at least a million times.

How about you get a clue?

How about your exaggerating how "large" the contract numbers that are being talked about here?  Fitz is being offered bottom of the barrel starter money for one year and backup money in the years after that. Stop trying to claim that the size of the contract here is some outlandish top of the league type QB money.  It is a bullsh1t claim.  Or to be more accurate yet another bullsh1t claim..

How about your constant efforts to take a 39th rated QB level of performance and try to spin it is something other than what it really is..... Brutally bad?  Historically bad in fact... 39th out of 32 teams!  Just think about that for a moment.  At least six of the other backups in the league who played enough starts to qualify were rated better.  Where would he have been if all of the backups had started enough games to qualify?  64th maybe?

Brutally bad.

2013 was as bad as it gets.  David Nelson, Clyde Gates, Stephen Hill, and a broken down Santonio Holmes.  None of those guys even played a game in the NFL last year.  Decker was injured most of 2014 and Harvin wasn't here the entire season.  Marshall is a huge upgrade from Harvin.  He's a top 25 player in the entire league.  Decker was also healthy last year and allowed to be the number two guy.  How many number two WRs are better than Decker?  He's legit the most underrated player in the NFL.  Decker and Marshall are literally a top three WR duo.  

[Villain The Foe]

18 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

is he comparing half a season or Harvin(after our season was over by the way) to Brandon Marshall?

That's exactly what he's doing. Whats even sadder is that, minus Brandon's rookie season, Percy's best season as a receiver can be compared to Brandon's worst. 

 

Dude cant be serious, yet he is because people who hate Geno Smith will go to any length to make the dude look bad, even saying that trading mid season for Harvin with no experience with the team/playbook would be equivalent...or atleast close to Brandon Marshall. 

 

The season needs to start already. 

[EM31]

26 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Stop making excuses.

Decker had a 1 game injury that didnt linger on the entire season like in 2014 in which he played injured the entire year. Why cant you admit this?

Offensive line was a wash? That's what you think of James Carpenter who had a probowl-like season? And Chan Gailey's scheme allowed for quick passes, helping the Oline.

Runningbacks not a wash, Ivory produced his first 1,000 yard season and career high in TD's and receiving in 2015. Powell was actually utilized correctly this past season. 

Tight End- Nonexistent for Fitz-better for Geno

We shipped out Harvin and replaced him with Enunwa. Harvin NEVER made the probowl as a WR but as a return specialist during his rookie season. Something he never did again. You can play semantics if you like, at the end of the day Percy Harvin has NEVER been a bonafide #1 WR receiver in the NFL and never broke 1000 yards receiving. Brandon Marshall did it 8 times for 5 different teams. You sound ridiculous. 

 

The only myth is your comparison. 

 

 

 

Stop lying.  Decker started 15 games in both years.

He played nicked up in several other games.

Same thing

Both years.

Stop making sh*t up.

Yes Carpenter was better last year but Both Mangold and D'Brick were a year younger and Willie Colon was clearly better in the Geno years.  By a mile.  We have a potent run blocking offensive line both years when Geno started and a pretty competent pass blocking  offensive line (except when Gewno hung them out to dry by holding the ball too long).  So yes, a wash at worst or probably a little better in the Geno years.  We left the Offensive line rebuild to be a little too late IMO.  Geno got the last of the real goodness there.

Please don't mistake O-Line talent for effectiveness because the QB knows how to get rid of the football on time.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Stop lying.  Decker started 15 games in both years.

He played nicked up in several other games.

Same thing

Both years.

Stop making sh*t up.

Yes Carpenter was better last year but Both Mangold and D'Brick were a year younger and Willie Colon was clearly better in the Geno years.  By a mile.  We have a potent run blocking offensive line both years when Geno started and a pretty competent pass blocking  offensive line (except when Gewno hung them out to dry by holding the ball too long).  So yes, a wash at worst or probably a little better in the Geno years.  We left the Offensive line rebuild to be a little too late IMO.  Geno got the last of the real goodness there.

Please don't mistake O-Line talent for effectiveness because the QB knows how to get rid of the football on time.

Dude, stop googling his stats and listen to what the heck me and others are telling you. 

Eric Decker played hurt for most of the 2014 season with a hamstring injury that he was pulled out of MULITPLE GAMES for that he initially started and didnt get fully healthy until week 17. 

You're going from ridiculous to just f'ing stupid at this point. Im finished with this conversation. 

[nyjunc]

9 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

That's exactly what he's doing. Whats even sadder is that, minus Brandon's rookie season, Percy's best season as a receiver can be compared to Brandon's worst. 

 

Dude cant be serious, yet he is because people who hate Geno Smith will go to any length to make the dude look bad, even saying that trading mid season for Harvin with no experience with the team/playbook would be equivalent...or atleast close to Brandon Marshall. 

 

The season needs to start already. 

I don't think most understand how great Brandon Marshall was last year.  we have had some good WRs through the years but as long as I have been watching this team(since the early 80s) Brandon's 2015 season was the best I have ever seen by far.  Will he have another season like that?  I hope so but if he can make Fitz look that good imagine what he can do w/ a talented QB? 

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Stop lying.  Decker started 15 games in both years.

He played nicked up in several other games.

Same thing

Both years.

Stop making sh*t up.

Yes Carpenter was better last year but Both Mangold and D'Brick were a year younger and Willie Colon was clearly better in the Geno years.  By a mile.  We have a potent run blocking offensive line both years when Geno started and a pretty competent pass blocking  offensive line (except when Gewno hung them out to dry by holding the ball too long).  So yes, a wash at worst or probably a little better in the Geno years.  We left the Offensive line rebuild to be a little too late IMO.  Geno got the last of the real goodness there.

Please don't mistake O-Line talent for effectiveness because the QB knows how to get rid of the football on time.

Decker was playing hurt most of 2014 and he still nearly put up 1,000 yds on that terrible team.  2014 Decker wasn't half the player 2015 Decker was.

[EM31]

17 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

2013 was as bad as it gets.  David Nelson, Clyde Gates, Stephen Hill, and a broken down Santonio Holmes.  None of those guys even played a game in the NFL last year.  Decker was injured most of 2014 and Harvin wasn't here the entire season.  Marshall is a huge upgrade from Harvin.  He's a top 25 player in the entire league.  Decker was also healthy last year and allowed to be the number two guy.  How many number two WRs are better than Decker?  He's legit the most underrated player in the NFL.  Decker and Marshall are literally a top three WR duo.  

Harvin was a Superbowl MVP the year we got him.  He was a game changer when we had him.  A head case? Sure.  But a game changer nonetheless.  Percy Harvin was not nothing just because it suits Geno lovers arguments to portray him that way.

Decker started 15 games both years.

Why do you people insist on making things up?

[nyjunc]

21 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

2013 was as bad as it gets.  David Nelson, Clyde Gates, Stephen Hill, and a broken down Santonio Holmes.  None of those guys even played a game in the NFL last year.  Decker was injured most of 2014 and Harvin wasn't here the entire season.  Marshall is a huge upgrade from Harvin.  He's a top 25 player in the entire league.  Decker was also healthy last year and allowed to be the number two guy.  How many number two WRs are better than Decker?  He's legit the most underrated player in the NFL.  Decker and Marshall are literally a top three WR duo.  

2012 was the worst I have seen since 1995, 2013 wasn't far behind.

[EM31]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

Dude, stop googling his stats and listen to what the heck me and others are telling you. 

Eric Decker played hurt for most of the 2014 season with a hamstring injury that he was pulled out of MULITPLE GAMES for that he initially started and didnt get fully healthy until week 17. 

You're going from ridiculous to just f'ing stupid at this point. Im finished with this conversation. 

Get the heck out of here.  I saw all of the games and he was dinged up both years.  If you suit up to start then you are ready to play.  Most of the players every week are dinged up in one way or another.  Stop pretending you know more than the training staff because you don't. 

[nyjunc]

Just now, EM31 said:

Harvin was a Superbowl MVP the year we got him.  He was a game changer when we had him.  A head case? Sure.  But a game changer nonetheless.  Percy Harvin was not nothing just because it suits Geno lovers arguments to portray him that way.

Decker started 15 games both years.

Why do you people insist on making things up?

Harvin was never a SB MVP.  he returned a kick for a TD in a blowout SB win for Seattle.  he was not a game changer when we got him which was why Seattle gave him away.  he was a game changer earlier in his career but was broken down by the time we got him.

 

Decker may have played the same amount of games but he was clearly hobbled most of 2014.

 

 

[EM31]

So to summarize... We exchanged one former pro-bowler for another.  The Tight end with Geno was better.  The running backs were all EXACTLY the same and the offensive line was a little younger and better across the board when Geno was the starter.

Hardly going from the worst offensive talent in history under Geno to a top-5 talent offense as the storytellers here like to paint.

Unless of course you count the QB who made everyone around him look worse (which is what actually happened) in which case I agree.

Same thing both years give or take.

 

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

I don't think most understand how great Brandon Marshall was last year.  we have had some good WRs through the years but as long as I have been watching this team(since the early 80s) Brandon's 2015 season was the best I have ever seen by far.  Will he have another season like that?  I hope so but if he can make Fitz look that good imagine what he can do w/ a talented QB? 

Marshalls performance this past season was BY FAR the best WR performance I've ever seen by a Jets WR and I've been a fan for 20 years. Marshall shredded the defense on a weekly basis, but more importantly he was the most reliable target I've ever seen a Jets WR be. This dude had some of the craziest catches I've seen in just a single season. His catch radius I couldnt compare any other Jets WR to. The dude IS a top 3/top 5 best WR in the National Football League. 

 

For people to loosely compare Percy Harvin to Brandon Marshall is a disgrace. To compare Harvin to Eric Decker would be a disgrace. Decker has had three 1,000 seasons and three seasons with 11 or more TD's. Percy Harvin is a glorified athlete. Dude had a very good first two seasons in Minnesota but he never returned to being a deadly return man week in and week out because of injury, he's never had a 1,000 yard season and the most receiving TD's he's accumulated in a season was 6. Eric Decker doubled that this past season and during his injury plagued 2014 season put up 5 TD's. 

 

Percy Harvin is a "name", and thats why people continue to say "Harvin/Marshall", however as football players, the dude isnt on the same planet. 

[cant wait]

6 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Harvin was a Superbowl MVP the year we got him.  He was a game changer when we had him.  A head case? Sure.  But a game changer nonetheless.  Percy Harvin was not nothing just because it suits Geno lovers arguments to portray him that way.

Decker started 15 games both years.

Why do you people insist on making things up?

Hahahahaha 

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Get the heck out of here.  I saw all of the games and he was dinged up both years.  If you suit up to start then you are ready to play.  Most of the players every week are dinged up in one way or another.  Stop pretending you know more than the training staff because you don't. 

Im done with you. 

[Mike135]

Just now, EM31 said:

So to summarize... We exchanged one former pro-bowler for another.  The Tight end with Geno was better.  The running backs were all EXACTLY the same and the offensive line was a little younger and better across the board when Geno was the starter.

Hardly going from the worst offensive talent in history under Geno to a top-5 talent offense as the storytellers here like to paint.

Unless of course you count the QB who made everyone around him look worse (which is what actually happened) in which case I agree.

Same thing both years give or take.

 

[cant wait]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

So to summarize... We exchanged one former pro-bowler for another.  The Tight end with Geno was better.  The running backs were all EXACTLY the same and the offensive line was a little younger and better across the board when Geno was the starter.

Hardly going from the worst offensive talent in history under Geno to a top-5 talent offense as the storytellers here like to paint.

Unless of course you count the QB who made everyone around him look worse (which is what actually happened) in which case I agree.

Same thing both years give or take.

 

I remember you pushing a made up story about geno poking IK in the face before he got hit. No wonder you're again desperately trying to push your agenda with more made up nonsense 

[Villain The Foe]

9 minutes ago, cant wait said:

Hahahahaha 

Did he really just say that? lol. 

[cant wait]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Did he really just say that? lol. 

I'm surprised he didn't claim fitzpatrick was a SB MVP too