Have fans forgotten how FA works?

[Rangers9]

22 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Smith got open quite often in his limited time.  Fitz struggled to adjust to his speed.  His strength is not downfield passing.  

Not true. 

[Lupz27]

2 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

you do realize the best offense's of today are short passing offenses. Mannings Colts, Brady's Pats, Brees Saints  all variations of the Offense the Niners ran IN THE 80's when these high powered, high percentage passing offenses were created. And just so your aware Keeping the ball out of the elite QB's hands is still a very viable scenario in the NFL. Have a look at the teams who won the SB or played in the SB the last few years or do you only watch the Jets ? Seattle Denver NE all short passing ball control offense's most of which rely on defense and ball control.

See every single one of those teams can score in under 2 minutes when needed to win games from behind, and also win shootouts, something Fitz can't do.

[nyjunc]

Just now, ylekram said:

meh. I watched every game. I didn't see him open all that much. kid has a lot to learn about the receiver game

he is very raw, he has a ton to learn but they sent him downfield a bunch where he was open and Fitz underthrew him.

[Rangers9]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he is very raw, he has a ton to learn but they sent him downfield a bunch where he was open and Fitz underthrew him.

Link. 

[j4jets]

4 hours ago, ylekram said:

whats nuts is your statement. the poll clearly says $8m+, which is what the jets have "reportedly" offered fitz. the op threw in $10M+ for ha-has

 

4 hours ago, ylekram said:

you started a thread on this subject because 1 guy thinks fitz should be paid like a starter? 1 guy out of this entire message board? wouldn't it just be easier to address this 1 guy directly?

" Fitz @8mil+ (most likely 10mil+ and multiple years)". $10 mil qualifies as $8+ mil. Its mentioned right there in the poll before you vote that the contract will be "most likely 10mil+ and multiple years". His statement is not nuts and there are a few more than 1 poster that are ok with paying Fitz $10+mil on a multi-year deal.

[ylekram]

Just now, j4jets said:

 

" Fitz @8mil+ (most likely 10mil+ and multiple years)". $10 mil qualifies as $8+ mil. Its mentioned right there in the poll before you vote that the contract will be "most likely 10mil+ and multiple years". His statement is not nuts and there are a few more than 1 poster that are ok with paying Fitz $10+mil on a multi-year deal.

he seemed to accept it for what it is. however, you are still carrying on. for the record, I think you are nuttier than his statement

[Smashmouth]

7 minutes ago, ylekram said:

while the bolded might hold some truth, you first sentence does not. yes, smith got open a few times and fitz did miss him, but I wouldn't say quite often. more like occasionally.

Dosen't matter anyway the deep pass is a matter of timing if you throw it too soon you over throw if you wait to long you under throw this goes for every QB not just Fitz. Fitz is capable of throwing the ball 50-55 yards in the air 3 of the passes to Smith 2 were under thrown one was on the money . The 2 underthrows the rookie made piss poor attempts to make a play on the ball an contrary top what people believe  when a ball is thrown deep a receiver MUST ALWAYS make an attempt to break it up or fight off the defender its their job and they are taught this. The other was right in his Mitts and he dropped it. The percentage of deep passes of 50+ yards is very low in the NFL for every QB. Probably lower than 20 %

As an example Aaron Rodgers Completion percentage on passes that fly over 20 yards is 39.5 .... that's over 20 yards .... What do you think his completion percentage is on balls that fly over 50 yards ? Jets fans still can't seem to grasp the concept that the deep pass is a VERY LOW PERCENTAGE Pass No Matter who is throwing the ball.

QB's with 70 % completion percentage does not mean it translates to their deep ball ability. Some throw a deep ball better than others but no matter its still a very low percentage pass and only used to keep the defense honest more times than not.

Joe Montana very rarely threw deep balls he did not have a strong arm yet he was the greatest QB in the history of the game.  Rich Gannon in his better years did the same as did Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Drew Brees

[nyjunc]

Just now, Rangers9 said:

Link. 

I don't have them all handy, below is one.  Just get the ball on his outside shoulder and it's a possible TD at best, incomplete at worst.  Instead it was a backbreaking INT.

 

 

 

 

 

[Larz]

2 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

It's pretty simple at this point. We're the market for him and he's the market for us. I think the way the team is looking at it is that we're taking a step back this year and the marginal value of the win or two less we'd lose if we retained Fitzpatrick isn't going to make or break the season and you don't pay a guy his age to not matter until next year. The flip side to this is that you can't ever afford to be so bad at quarterback that it tanks the whole program and that's basically what we're staring in the face. The likelihood of somebody with the numbers Geno put up in his first two seasons becoming an average starter is very low. Same for one with Hackenberg's projection. The fact that anybody is even talking about Petty tells you what you need to know about the other two. Most likely outcome of not signing Fitzpatrick is probably the plane crashing into the mountain. We still haven't recovered from giving Sanchez the extension and we still won't have when the new problem becomes getting out from under whatever the ridiculous overreaction to the disaster we're about to see turns out to be. Fitzpatrick is betting that Maccagnan will have an easier time keeping his job in the face of the cap hit if he signs than of the dominoes that start falling if he doesn't. It's a good bet. We'll see how it goes.

...according to reports......

[Smashmouth]

9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I don't have them all handy, below is one.  Just get the ball on his outside shoulder and it's a possible TD at best, incomplete at worst.  Instead it was a backbreaking INT.

 

 

 

 

 

watch Smith on that play he never adjusts his speed or his route. That ball was thrown 20 yards before the spot of the play and it was a terrible adjustment. Good experienced Receivers make a play on that ball. Could it have been thrown a bit deeper ? Yes but its still up to the WR to make a play on every deep ball thrown.

[nyjunc]

Just now, Smashmouth said:

watch Smith on that play he never adjusts his speed or his route. That ball was thrown 20 yards before the spot of the play and it was a terrible adjustment. Good experienced Receivers make a play on that ball. Could it have been thrown a bit deeper ? Yes but its still up to the WR to make a play on every deep ball thrown.

he's not a good, experienced WR.  that throw was terrible, underthrown and to the inside and it killed us in a one score loss.

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

he's not a good, experienced WR.  that throw was terrible, underthrown and to the inside and it killed us in a one score loss.

I'm guessing you know what else killed us in that game . Was that the Lateral game and the game our Special teams sh*t all over the field ?

[nyjunc]

Just now, Smashmouth said:

I'm guessing you know what else killed us in that game . Was that the Lateral game and the game our Special teams sh*t all over the field ?

sure but Fitz was awful that game and was a major culprit as well.  w/ all that went wrong if fitz played well we would have won.  he didn't and we lost.

[Smashmouth]

32 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

See every single one of those teams can score in under 2 minutes when needed to win games from behind, and also win shootouts, something Fitz can't do.

They are but they didn't do it every game. Remember the 5 games before the buffalo game ? Are you saying anything about each and every one of those games that would have eliminated us ? Fitz lit it up in those games and in one vs the Pats he drove us up the field in less than 2 minutes on 3 consecutive passes and won the game. Did ya count that ? Did Fitz have to do that every single week ?? Did he have to do it in EVERY contested football game ?? Is every loss Fitz fault ?????????
 

[Big Blocker]

2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

You're talking about good players like they are bums. I'm happy Mac re-signed Powell who at times last year was our best running back. I think with 2 good receiving running backs and a Qb who was efficient in the short passing game it's a great dimension and a strategy that can regularly move the chains and keep our defense off the field. And Kerley was underused all of last year and had been a contributor in our offense. The only real addition in terms of playmakers in 2015 was Marshall. 

The whole Smith Fan meme is to denounce all the other players on the 14 roster.  I am surprised they don't complain about the ball boys and team bus drivers while they are at it.

[Smashmouth]

3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

sure but Fitz was awful that game and was a major culprit as well.  w/ all that went wrong if fitz played well we would have won.  he didn't and we lost.

QB's have bad games they all do. Good to Great teams get passed that an move on its not all about the QB, Cam Newton played bad in the Super Bowl was it his fault they lost or did the Panthers just get punched right in the face ? When Aaron Rodgers threw for 77 yards was it his fault they lost ??? The Jets were in very game this year except the Oakland game does Ftz get any credit for that ? Im living in your world right now where its all about the QB certainly us being in all but one game must be due to the QB right ?

[nyjunc]

Just now, Smashmouth said:

QB's have bad games they all do. Good to Great teams get passed that an move on its not all about the QB, Cam Newton played bad in the Super Bowl was it his fault they lost or did the Panthers just get punched right in the face ? When Aaron Rodgers threw for 77 yards was it his fault they lost ??? The Jets were in very game this year except the Oakland game does Ftz get any credit for that ? Im living in your world right now where its all about the QB certainly us being in all but one game must be due to the QB right ?

Cam led his team to the SB and 15-1.

Rodgers has won a SB and his team wins the division every year

 

No Fitz doesn't get credit for keeping us in games, he kept opponents in many games were we should have blown them out.  Fitz was decent for us but too many are overrating what he actually did w/ all that talent around him.

it's not ALL about the QB, our D stunk, STs stunk, our coaching staff stunk and the QB stunk week 17 but for the QB it was the biggest game of his career, the first with real playoff pressure and he was awful.  

[Smashmouth]

2 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

The whole Smith Fan meme is to denounce all the other players on the 14 roster.  I am surprised they don't complain about the ball boys and team bus drivers while they are at it.

well they could have got the Gatorade out to Geno a little quicker since you asked.

[ylekram]

13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

sure but Fitz was awful that game and was a major culprit as well.  w/ all that went wrong if fitz played well we would have won.  he didn't and we lost.

on the flip side, if the rest of team played well and fitz played the game that he had, we would have won

[Rangers9]

17 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he's not a good, experienced WR.  that throw was terrible, underthrown and to the inside and it killed us in a one score loss.

What do you mean he was covered the entire play and never separated. Or tried to knock the ball away. That throw wasn't exactly a weak little toss. Smith had the angle and could have gone in front of the DB and positioned himself to make the catch. You're wrong.  

[ylekram]

11 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

They are but they didn't do it every game. Remember the 5 games before the buffalo game ? Are you saying anything about each and every one of those games that would have eliminated us ? Fitz lit it up in those games and in one vs the Pats he drove us up the field in less than 2 minutes on 3 consecutive passes and won the game. Did ya count that ? Did Fitz have to do that every single week ?? Did he have to do it in EVERY contested football game ?? Is every loss Fitz fault ?????????
 

actually, it was 2:37 seconds, but there was no rush

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, ylekram said:

on the flip side, if the rest of team played well and fitz played the game that he had, we would have won

maybe, we'll never know.  I do know Brandon Marshall did all he could to will us to that win.  I wish Fitz played half as well or with half the determination of Marshall then we would have won easily.

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

Cam led his team to the SB and 15-1.

Rodgers has won a SB and his team wins the division every year

 

No Fitz doesn't get credit for keeping us in games, he kept opponents in many games were we should have blown them out.  Fitz was decent for us but too many are overrating what he actually did w/ all that talent around him.

it's not ALL about the QB, our D stunk, STs stunk, our coaching staff stunk and the QB stunk week 17 but for the QB it was the biggest game of his career, the first with real playoff pressure and he was awful.  

All the talent around him ?? He had a broken down RB in the game at Buffalo and for a good portion of the season. He never had a TE at all. Basically he played the entire season other than about 5 or 6 games with those 2 WR's . We were predictable and at times had nothing underneath forcing Fitz to throw deep more often than anyone would have liked. Those passes were always contested because they were predictable. This year with 3 RB's who can catch the ball and a TE who will hopefully do what we drafted him for we can see much improvement on an alreay good offense. Good Offense something we have not had here since 2002 and something we have not seen but only 3 times in the last 25 years

[nyjunc]

Just now, Rangers9 said:

What do you mean he was covered the entire play and never separated. Or tried to knock the ball away. That throw wasn't exactly a weak little toss. Smith had the angle and could have gone in front of the DB and positioned himself to make the catch. You're wrong.  

there is plenty of room w/ a goo throw.  he has to slow down and come back inside giving the DB the advantage.  if that ball is thrown deep he can run under it, if it is thrown to his outside shoulder he either catches it or it's incomplete and not a backbreaking INT.  it was a terrible throw.

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, ylekram said:

actually, it was 2:37 seconds, but there was no rush

yeah I was going purely on memory I didn't look it up

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Smashmouth said:

All the talent around him ?? He had a broken down RB in the game at Buffalo and for a good portion of the season. He never had a TE at all. Basically he played the entire season other than about 5 or 6 games with those 2 WR's . We were predictable and at times had nothing underneath forcing Fitz to throw deep more often than anyone would have liked. Those passes were always contested because they were predictable. This year with 3 RB's who can catch the ball and a TE who will hopefully do what we drafted him for we can see much improvement on an alreay good offense. Good Offense something we have not had here since 2002 and something we have not seen but only 3 times in the last 25 years

a broken down RB who broke a 58 yard run and set us up deep in Buf territory- what did he do w/ that?

he never had a TE, he just had the best WR duo since Maynard and Sauer.

[Rangers9]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

there is plenty of room w/ a goo throw.  he has to slow down and come back inside giving the DB the advantage.  if that ball is thrown deep he can run under it, if it is thrown to his outside shoulder he either catches it or it's incomplete and not a backbreaking INT.  it was a terrible throw.

He threw the ball well. It should never have been a pick. He could have caught it. It wasn't meant to be thrown over the DB,. It looked like the play was meant to be on the run. Not necessarily for a TD. It was eminently catch able. 

[Smashmouth]

3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

maybe, we'll never know.  I do know Brandon Marshall did all he could to will us to that win.  I wish Fitz played half as well or with half the determination of Marshall then we would have won easily.

As fantastic as Marshall was He cost us 2 games last year. Did you forget to mention that ? I hate to bring that up because I love Marshall but my math makes us 12-4.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Rangers9 said:

He threw the ball well. It should never have been a pick. He could have caught it. It wasn't meant to be thrown over the DB,. It looked like the play was meant to be on the run. Not necessarily for a TD. It was eminently catch able. 

it was a terrible throw.

Just now, Smashmouth said:

As fantastic as Marshall was He cost us 2 games last year. Did you forget to mention that ? I hate to bring that up because I love Marshall but my math makes us 12-4.

he did not cost us 2 games and he was the biggest reason we won 10 games.

[Smashmouth]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

there is plenty of room w/ a goo throw.  he has to slow down and come back inside giving the DB the advantage.  if that ball is thrown deep he can run under it, if it is thrown to his outside shoulder he either catches it or it's incomplete and not a backbreaking INT.  it was a terrible throw.

He could have also drawn a PI call if he played it right, instead he went to catch the ball where it was projected to land rather than at its highest point. Which is another thing WR's are taught. Smith is just not a very good WR at this point. He has a lot to learn hopefully Brandon Marshall teaches him how to make those very plays because hes made them his entire career and that's why he will probably be a HOFer

[Smashmouth]

7 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

a broken down RB who broke a 58 yard run and set us up deep in Buf territory- what did he do w/ that?

he never had a TE, he just had the best WR duo since Maynard and Sauer.

I know you saw Ivory was out 90 % of that game and we were relying on cement shoes Ridley. There's a reason why Ivory is not on this team let him be an Injury Issue where he's at now. Great player can't stay on the field.

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

He could have also drawn a PI call if he played it right, instead he went to catch the ball where it was projected to land rather than at its highest point. Which is another thing WR's are taught. Smith is just not a very good WR at this point. He has a lot to learn hopefully Brandon Marshall teaches him how to make those very plays because hes made them his entire career and that's why he will probably be a HOFer

we know he's not very good at this point, he was a raw rookie who didn't really have a training camp(think santana Moss when he came back late in 2001).  The bottom line is that was an awful pass which did not give his rookie WR a chance to make a play.

[Smashmouth]

18 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Cam led his team to the SB and 15-1.

Rodgers has won a SB and his team wins the division every year

 

No Fitz doesn't get credit for keeping us in games, he kept opponents in many games were we should have blown them out.  Fitz was decent for us but too many are overrating what he actually did w/ all that talent around him.

it's not ALL about the QB, our D stunk, STs stunk, our coaching staff stunk and the QB stunk week 17 but for the QB it was the biggest game of his career, the first with real playoff pressure and he was awful.  

QB's always play awful in the wind ALL OF THEM. That's why running games win games late in the season. That's why Defense and running games win SB's . Its not all about winn the game itself (SB) its about getting there and when you p[lay in bad weather and the QB is struggling you better be a complete team. We were not. We Lost

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

I know you saw Ivory was out 90 % of that game and we were relying on cement shoes Ridley. There's a reason why Ivory is not on this team let him be an Injury Issue where he's at now. Great player can't stay on the field.

I understand completely but he gave him a huge play, set him up near the Buf 20 and 2 incompletions later we missed a FG.

[bealeb319]

Didn't the eagles give 8mil to their third string qb?

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