Jets Offer to Fitz at $11 million?

[cant wait]

6 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

yeah but its probably going to get done and the funny thing is the only place/people who think it should not be done are here at JN.

JN posters tend to be a little more knowledgable and well-informed compared to the rest of the jets sites 

[joewilly12]

16 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

yeah but its probably going to get done and the funny thing is the only place/people who think it should not be done are here at JN.

How do you know this? 

[Xtina]

4 hours ago, Colgateman said:

Why would the jets bet against themselves? No one else wants the ******* guy.

 

SOJ strikes again. Tired of this team

If they were doing that, this would be long over 

Maybe it's 11MM for two years 

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

If we're going to speculate then a one year deal for 11 mil isn't that bad for the Jets. They don't want to give him a lot of guaranteed money and probably think he only has a good year or two left. I would think that Fitz wants at least a 2nd year and would maybe take less money per year if he can get two. LIke 2/20.Who knows but you have to give Fitz and the Jets credit. There are no bonafide leaks on this. I mean everyone is guessing on this. That's good. 

Except they could have sign f him for 110% of his last contract, which was less than 3.5 mil.  The Jets have been way too nice to Fitz.  

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

If true, holy stupidity, Batman. Offer $11M to a player nobody else has interest in at half that amount (if even that much). Ah, the life of a Jets fan.

A player who had a clause in his deal where he could have been retained for 110% of last years 3.25 mil deal.  Why pass on 4 mil to give him 11???

 

[Hitman Harris]

6 hours ago, Xtina said:

If they were doing that, this would be long over 

Maybe it's 11MM for two years 

that was my thought

[BurnleyJet]

[Warfish]

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Except they could have sign f him for 110% of his last contract, which was less than 3.5 mil.  The Jets have been way too nice to Fitz.  

So what should the Jets do, right now, then?

[JustInFudge]

Fitz needs to do himself and every Jets fan a favor and seriously reconsider retiring if they cant come to terms.  We know he's not playing somewhere else, it's the stupid Jets or nothing, so just hang them up.

It's the best possible scenario for the Jets. 

 

 

[no psls]

11 million is fair . Just pay the man and let's start camp .Woody can afford it . Fitz is our best option at the moment .

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So what should the Jets do, right now, then?

Not give him a dime more than he was offered.  7 or so mil is more than fair enough given the circumstances.  Could have resigned him for nothing, in good faith doubled his deal and he balked.  With no options.  Upping the deal 4+mil makes no sense.  

[Jetsfan80]

12 hours ago, EM31 said:

This has to make Geno fans feel a little bit unloved.

Why the f*ck would a 12-21 QB with more turnovers than TD's still have "fans"?  I think something like a handful of "foolish optimists" are all he has left.

[FidelioJet]

This is sad.    $11mm for a guy that'll be on the bench by week 7 is just pitiful.  

This will prove to be Mac's first major mistake. 

[LIJetsFan]

30 minutes ago, no psls said:

11 million is fair . Just pay the man and let's start camp .Woody can afford it . Fitz is our best option at the moment .

Woody doesn't pay for players, only for FO. Please think before you post.

[BowlesMovement]

All of this crying about the $11 million is silly. If he was offered $11 million, he would be signed right now. Its far more likely that he was offered something like $7 + a $4 bonus IF the Jets make the playoffs and he starts in all games other than injury, than they offered him a flat out $11. 

 

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

yeah but its probably going to get done and the funny thing is the only place/people who think it should not be done are here at JN.

First, this is patently false; you merely think everyone has the same opinion you do because you pay attention and give more credence to those who agree with you and do the opposite to those who don't, as usual. This is hardly the first time you've done this, no matter how many times your "obvious" moves were proven to be wrong, if not disastrous. Next, there are a higher proportion of people at JN (than off it or in the media) who are more likely to think/care long term instead of childish instant gratification. Fitzpatrick will not make us a true contender this year and, at this money, he will then necessarily rob the team of $11M in usable cap space in 2017. He is not the future, and he is not good enough to warrant pissing away more future for the present.

Then next year (or more likely, as early as the latter part of this season) we can have this lovely discussion about which players we "need" to cut in Feb/March 2017 because we won't have enough cap room to sign this or that younger and more desirable FA in March. Meanwhile without signings like an absurd 8-figure season for Fitzpatrick, and a 1 yr extension (tag) for Mo at $16M, no such sacrifice would have been needed. Every GM who lets a high-priced player go to FA is not an imbecile. Between them we're talking about some $27M for those 2 players alone, and only a simultaneous meltdown among a half dozen formidable Jets opponents this year, as well as among the AFC's better teams at large, and no up-and-comers nor bounce-back teams getting better, will make it seem worthwhile in hindsight.

Renting Fitzpatrick for $11M+ for this upcoming season is a fool's errand. It's only compounded by doing the same for Mo at $16M (if he is to become a FA next year, which is where it appears we're headed). A year later neither looks to be on the team (albeit for different reasons) and, when combined with the addition of "last missing piece" type of FA acquisitions this year, like Jenkins, we'll have robbed some $30M and a minimum of 2 draft picks from the 2017 season (not counting Shell, which was fine with me if Maccagnan likes him that much). 

[Rangers9]

9 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Except they could have sign f him for 110% of his last contract, which was less than 3.5 mil.  The Jets have been way too nice to Fitz.  

Let's be reasonable. He signed last year for 3.5 which is backup money. He became the starter and even low starter money is about 10 and that's much lower than the average. Paying him even double or 7 mil is not being nice to him. 

[jetrider]

59 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Why the f*ck would a 12-21 QB with more turnovers than TD's still have "fans"?  I think something like a handful of "foolish optimists" are all he has left.

TB Steve Young after two seasons:  3 -16 ... 11TDs ... 21 INTs

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, jetrider said:

TB Steve Young after two seasons:  3 -16 ... 11TDs ... 21 INTs

He was a backup to Montana at that time.  When he became the full-time starter in the middle of 1991, he went 4-4, then 14-2 in 1992.

Also, 1992 NFL is barely even a shadow of what the game has become.  We just watched Derek Carr, drafted in the same round as Geno Smith 1 year after him, throw 21 TD's and 12 INT's as a rookie, then 32 TD's to 13 INT's in Year 2. 

[Jetsfan80]

Even Teddy Bridgewater, who may be terrible, has 28 TD's and 21 INT's after 2 seasons in the league.

[Jetsfan80]

Johnny Manziel had more TD's (7) than INT's (5) last season and is out of the league.

[Jetsfan80]

Blake Bortles:  35 TD's and 18 INT's in Year 2.

[Jetsfan80]

Do I need to keep going?

[jetrider]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

He was a backup to Montana at that time.  When he became the full-time starter in the middle of 1991, he went 4-4, then 14-2 in 1992.

Also, 1992 NFL is barely even a shadow of what the game has become.  We just watched Derek Carr, drafted in the same round as Geno Smith, throw 21 TD's and 12 INT's as a rookie, then 32 TD's to 13 INT's in Year 2. 

No that was Young's TB record and stats -- the reason they dumped him.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jetrider said:

No that was Young's TB record and stats -- the reason they dumped him.

Cool.  Maybe we can get that Mike Glennon guy then and have him turn into the next Steve Young.  He's way better than Geno. 

[jetrider]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Blake Bortles:  35 TD's and 18 INT's in Year 2.

Did he have Marty Moronweg?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jetrider said:

Did he have Marty Moronweg?

No but he had the Jaguars.  You know, the worst franchise in football for the better part of 2 decades.  And suddenly he's made undrafted Allen Hurns look like Jerry Rice.  The game has changed since 1992, son.

[Rangers9]

3 minutes ago, jetrider said:

TB Steve Young after two seasons:  3 -16 ... 11TDs ... 21 INTs

Fitz was not an elite Qb but he was ok and actually not that bad when he started. His entire career before he came to the Jets was with bad teams. Of course he didn't have a good winning record and didn't make the playoffs. Nobody is saying he's great but last year he was good. You don't get rid of a starting Qb after a good year or find reasons to explain why he succeeded (schedule, weather or something else crazy). The bottom line is he won and we were competitive. You can analyze that all you want. You want to win or rebuild?

[Mainejet]

Mac has to make a decision and quit f*cking around. His options are the way I see it:

1) Cave in to Fitz demands. Give him his 15 million per season and the team can have him TODAY. BTW, I do NOT support this move.

2) Tell Fitz here's your offer, you either accept it or move on. Set a deadline for Fitz to report if he wants to play. Tell him politely, if you do not show up by this date, we are officially moving on and we will no longer be interested in signing you.

I know Mac is reluctant to go with number 2. That option would put Geno as the starter, and that move could probably get Mac and Bowles FIRED. The very second the fan base sees Geno throwing turnover after turnover, they will turn on the GM/HC.

But this is a move he may have to make. The HC can't operate each and every day not knowing who the QB may be. It's actually quite ridiculous that this contract squabble has spilled over into OTA's.

[AFJF]

13 hours ago, Mike135 said:

That's like giving the hostage taker who is surrounded by cops and has a gun to your head credit because he chose to shoot you and then get shot by the cops credit.

While I'm lying there with a hole through my head, sure I may be thinking, well at least he didn't give in.  Good for him!

If reports of $7.5 million offer are accurate, he'd be getting $3.5 million more.  Not sure how a few extra million in the bank equates tobeing shot in the head.

[Mike135]

13 minutes ago, AFJF said:

If reports of $7.5 million offer are accurate, he'd be getting $3.5 million more.  Not sure how a few extra million in the bank equates tobeing shot in the head.

And 3.5 less would be 4mil.  No big deal.  Fitz should just take 4 and make everyone happy.

It'd be like the hostage taker had dropped the gun, everyone lived, and he had psychological treatment.  3 months later criminal, hostage and cops all sit down and enjoy some tea.

[cant wait]

38 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Let's be reasonable. He signed last year for 3.5 which is backup money. He became the starter and even low starter money is about 10 and that's much lower than the average. Paying him even double or 7 mil is not being nice to him. 

This isn't a charity, it's a football team. And paying a crappy QB a lot of money so his feelings don't get hurt is not a good way to get better 

[Rangers9]

4 minutes ago, cant wait said:

This isn't a charity, it's a football team. And paying a crappy QB a lot of money so his feelings don't get hurt is not a good way to get better 

He's not crappy and everyone who's reasonable knows that. As for the money let the FO make that call not us. I'm ok with whatever decision they make. 

[cant wait]

4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

He's not crappy and everyone who's reasonable knows that. As for the money let the FO make that call not us. I'm ok with whatever decision they make. 

Sorry, crappy starter/good backup. Better?

[Big Blocker]

I read through this whole thread and no one seems to know or have posted a link to any source that even discusses whether the quoted number is guaranteed or includes incentives and how much if the latter,, whether it relates or not to any second year number, and/or whether the parties are negotiating on the breakdown of those factors.  How anyone can assess just a raw number like that is beyond me.

I think what is really motivating the agita here is Smith Fans upset that it looks not only like the FO is serious about bringing Fitz back, but that it will likely happen.