Report: Fitzpatrick Prepared to Accept One-Year Deal From Jets

[Mike135]

1 minute ago, EM31 said:

Good point but look we are not going anywhere this year to begin with and so we can live with a Hoyer (or whoever) as our backup.

It makes zero sense to pay that money to Fitz to be a backup.

Hey, I was all for signing Hoyer for 2 or 3 mil.  But that ship has sailed.

Can't agree with ya about not going anywhere this year though.  Tough schedule and all, this team is gonna kick some @ss this season.

[EM31]

Just now, Mike135 said:

Hey, I was all for signing Hoyer for 2 or 3 mil.  But that ship has sailed.

Can't agree with ya about not going anywhere this year though.  Tough schedule and all, this team is gonna kick some @ss this season.

I usually crank myself up to be more positive by the time training camp is winding up but i think last year was maybe a bit of an abberration and we were not quite as good as our record suggests.  This year is tougher so we will find out soon enough.

Geno has been pretty durable, locker rooms notwithstanding.

[JohnnyLV]

5 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

Well, I disagree with you. I think we have a good chance to make the playoffs in 2016 (with Fitz) and should go for it. We are coming off of a good season where our offense for the first time in a long time worked. Kept our D off of the field and generally played very well. There are cap solutions for the 12 mil and to me it's unfair to the player to basically make him sign a 3 year deal that he doesn't want to sign. If Ryan is our Qb in 2016 you want him to be ok with the organization. I think Fitz is offering a fair compromise. Sure he'd rather have a guaranteed deal. And in the long run the Jets can save money if they decide to cut ties with him after 2016.

We have a better chance with Geno. What we saw last year was Gailey structuring an offense to maximize the personnel, and unlike what most people here think, he structured it as a single read with outlet offense because Fitz is actually not that bright on the field. Geno has far more tools than Fitz and will perform as well or better in the offense than Fitz.

[Mike135]

3 minutes ago, EM31 said:

I usually crank myself up to be more positive by the time training camp is winding up but i think last year was maybe a bit of an abberration and we were not quite as good as our record suggests.  This year is tougher so we will find out soon enough.

Geno has been pretty durable, locker rooms notwithstanding.

Aberration?  Possibly.

I see it more as a great team under a 1st year head coach, pretty much carrying (sorry guys) Fitz to 10 wins vs an easy schedule.

Now in Bowles' 2nd year with an improved team and a more dynamic QB, we make the next step.

[Rangers9]

15 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

We have a better chance with Geno. What we saw last year was Gailey structuring an offense to maximize the personnel, and unlike what most people here think, he structured it as a single read with outlet offense because Fitz is actually not that bright on the field. Geno has far more tools than Fitz and will perform as well or better in the offense than Fitz.

Gailey and Bowles chose Ryan to run the offense over Geno. Even after his injury. It was a move that worked out. 

[EM31]

17 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Aberration?  Possibly.

I see it more as a great team under a 1st year head coach, pretty much carrying (sorry guys) Fitz to 10 wins vs an easy schedule.

Now in Bowles' 2nd year with an improved team and a more dynamic QB, we make the next step.

We lost some that maybe we should have won but we also won a few that we probably should have lost.

I like the increased speed on defense but we have yet to see any of the kids play a down of NFL football and so we are a big question mark with a hellacious schedule to start off the year.

[Mike135]

Just now, EM31 said:

We lost some that maybe we should have won but we also won a few that we probably should have lost.

I like the increased speed on defense but we have yet to see any of the kids play a down of NFL football and so we are a big question mark with a hellacious schedule to start off the year.

True, and of course you have to expect some growing pains.  Especially at LB now.  But even there we still have our defensive QB in Harris running things, and Mauldin ready to make a big impact in his 2nd season.  Any inexperience issues early should be outweighed by the increased speed/performance eventually.

Other than that, I don't see much of a youth risk.  

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

Which is what the Jets will be doing ALL SEASON with Geno Smith as starter.

There are several degrees of dick-eating. The hope is that the dick-eater you have graduates beyond hopeless dick-eating and develops into Aaron Rodgers.

[Beerfish]

57 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

We have a better chance with Geno. What we saw last year was Gailey structuring an offense to maximize the personnel, and unlike what most people here think, he structured it as a single read with outlet offense because Fitz is actually not that bright on the field. Geno has far more tools than Fitz and will perform as well or better in the offense than Fitz.

Geno is like the golfer or skier that has all the bet equipment but keeps hitting it onto the trees or falling on his ass half way down the hill. 

Geno has a better arm, throws a better pass both long and short, probably as accurate as Fitzpatrick.

Probably faster running.

That's about it.  If all the best QB's were the ones that 'have the tools' our list of hof Qb's would look much much different than it is.  If Fitz is not that brioght on the field then Geno is an absolute moron on the filed becasue he does all the important things a Qb needs much worse than Fitz outside of throwing.  He has terrible pocket presence, he doesn't get rid of the ball fast, he has terrible ball security, he makes poor decisions.

 

I seriously question whether some of the people on this site actually ever watched Geno smith play in the past.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Geno is like the golfer or skier that has all the bet equipment but keeps hitting it onto the trees or falling on his ass half way down the hill. 

Geno has a better arm, throws a better pass both long and short, probably as accurate as Fitzpatrick.

Probably faster running.

That's about it.  If all the best QB's were the ones that 'have the tools' our list of hof Qb's would look much much different than it is.  If Fitz is not that brioght on the field then Geno is an absolute moron on the filed becasue he does all the important things a Qb needs much worse than Fitz outside of throwing.  He has terrible pocket presence, he doesn't get rid of the ball fast, he has terrible ball security, he makes poor decisions.

 

I seriously question whether some of the people on this site actually ever watched Geno smith play in the past.

 

Actually I think this is a pretty good synopsis of Geno to date. Still doesn't make Fitzpatrick worth nearly what he's seeking, though.

[joewilly12]

Hey Fitzpatrick the Jets dont want you buddy thanks for 2015 we have  moved on........

[joewilly12]

2 hours ago, Mike135 said:

Geno's weaponzzz!!!!

 

OH HELL YEAH

[greenwave81]

The Jets have ZERO leverage on the amount of years Ryan Fitzpatrick signs....

The hell they don't ....

If he wants $12 million guaranteed, the. The Jets can insist on a 3 yr deal. This hopefully will be what Mac does, as Ryan Fitzpatrick ain't worth $12 mill for one year, especially not on this cap starved team.

One year at $12 million for Fitz would be a travesty...it would mean moving cap money into the future, losing Mo for sure and does not solve any long-term quarterback questions. It's a panic move, so this being the Jets they'll probably do it even though they should not...and I'm saying that as an extreme GeNO doubter.

[fltflo]

The reality so far is this

Geno is now getting all the first team reps, allowing the CS a better observation of his progression. Not good for Fitz if he really has improved

Geno being the starter at this point is interacting with his teammates from a leadership position. An from what we hear, he has matured and with this time will make inroads with his fellow players to prove he should be the starter. Again not good for Fitz and his future as a

Jet.

For everyone who is under the impression that no players want Geno to be the starter. Well, just listen to some of the statements starting to be made about how he is practicing and working with his teammates.

Which leads me to wonder about the stance the FO is taking with Fitz. Is it possible that Mac and maybe our HC are beginning to question if maybe the best starter is already at OTA's and Fitz won't be able to get his starters role back. In which case, why would you even consider paying him 8 million.

[ylekram]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

There are several degrees of dick-eating. The hope is that the dick-eater you have graduates beyond hopeless dick-eating and develops into Aaron Rodgers.

I didn't know that. you seem to be quite knowledgeable on the subject

[Mike135]

1 hour ago, fltflo said:

 

The reality so far is this

 

Geno is now getting all the first team reps, allowing the CS a better observation of his progression. Not good for Fitz if he really has improved

 

Geno being the starter at this point is interacting with his teammates from a leadership position. An from what we hear, he has matured and with this time will make inroads with his fellow players to prove he should be the starter. Again not good for Fitz and his future as a

 

Jet.

 

For everyone who is under the impression that no players want Geno to be the starter. Well, just listen to some of the statements starting to be made about how he is practicing and working with his teammates.

 

Which leads me to wonder about the stance the FO is taking with Fitz. Is it possible that Mac and maybe our HC are beginning to question if maybe the best starter is already at OTA's and Fitz won't be able to get his starters role back. In which case, why would you even consider paying him 8 million.

 

 

[Jet Nut]

6 hours ago, EM31 said:

You never sign anybody "at all costs".  Come now Jet Nut.

The logic does not work both ways for the following reason.  You have Geno for zero dollars this year (effectively) and if you have to go out and get Fitz then you will need to commit to $12M this year and another $12M (at least) in subsequent years.  If you think Geno is better or even if you think they are close then take the one who is effectively free and use the twenty million dollars that you will save elsewhere.

 

<edited to add>

The logic that says the current offer is a low ball fig leaf that gives the Jets FO plausible deniability is still not compelling to me but at least it has some defensible rationale behind it.

You're changing the logic by bringing in dollars.  All i said is if the Jets were sure that Fitz was the answer he would have been signed months ago.  They sure would have found a way if they totally bought into him.  That's it, the same logic as if they believed in Geno they could save money by not needing to sign Fitz.  Same logic, works both ways.  

I don't know what their hang up is, I'm guessing it's simply that they don't want to commit money beyond this season.  

[EM31]

22 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You're changing the logic by bringing in dollars.  All i said is if the Jets were sure that Fitz was the answer he would have been signed months ago.  They sure would have found a way if they totally bought into him.  That's it, the same logic as if they believed in Geno they could save money by not needing to sign Fitz.  Same logic, works both ways.  

I don't know what their hang up is, I'm guessing it's simply that they don't want to commit money beyond this season.  

I am not sure what you mean when you say "if the Jets were sure that Fitz was the answer".  If you mean do they think he is a franchise QB then no, nobody thinks that the JETS think that.  And even if they did feel that way... even then there is not an unlimited checkbook to get him signed.  There is never an unlimited checkbook as you imply.  Fitz seems to be trying to get "reasonable starter money"  in today's market for more than one year and the JETS do not see him filling that role for more than one year.  That seems to be the sticking point.

In terms of measuring Fitz against Geno and what the Jets may feel about their relative talents.  The JETS already have Geno.  They already have him locked up in 2016 and essentially for free.  Why spend 8 million, or 12 million, or 14 million to bring in another player at the same position unless you think that player is a significant upgrade?  Period.  There is no point in doing that.  So if the offer is still on the table for Fitzpatrick then that tells you everything you need to know about the opinion of the Jets brains trust.  It tells you they feel that they would be getting a sizeable upgrade for that money.

[JohnnyLV]

5 hours ago, Beerfish said:

 

I seriously question whether some of the people on this site actually ever watched Geno smith play in the past.

 

I think the same thing about Fitpatrick. Did his supporters actually watch him play last year? Yes he had 31 TDs but he was pretty consistenly awful and his success was 90% Gailey and the truly awful teams we played, elements that will dramatically help Geno, and let all of those talents come out. Geno was awful at times, but quite good also, not shocking for a 1st and 2nd year QB, and he was surrounded but the worst talent in the NFL and a complete mismatch in OC in MM

[Rangers9]

2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I think the same thing about Fitpatrick. Did his supporters actually watch him play last year? Yes he had 31 TDs but he was pretty consistenly awful and his success was 90% Gailey and the truly awful teams we played, elements that will dramatically help Geno, and let all of those talents come out. Geno was awful at times, but quite good also, not shocking for a 1st and 2nd year QB, and he was surrounded but the worst talent in the NFL and a complete mismatch in OC in MM

Well we must have watched 2 different players on two different planets then. I mean the guy ran the offense competently. He ran the plays not Gailey so how can their success be all Chan Gailey. That's nonsense. Believe me his teammates know this and the coaching staff who chose Fitz to be the starter. If Fitz was a bum they wouldn't want him back esp Marshall a guy who's fought with teammates and Qbs and that got him a one way ticket out of Chicago. I love these people who think they know more than the players. The GM is trying to low ball him because he blew the cap space on stupid contracts. If not for Fitz no 10-6 and definitely no Exec of the Year which was a joke. The Carolina GM or Elway deserved it. 

[Mike135]

What would it take to get Foles?  Trade?  What sort of contract?

[RutgersJetFan]

18 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

What would it take to get Foles?  Trade?  What sort of contract?

[Snell41]

Again you give him a contract like the NEP-Revis.deal.. The team can pull out of it in years 2 or 3 if there's a 3rd year. I think they get cap considerations on year 1 also. There's a lot of ways to do it but so far Mac wants to lock him in to backup money and is basically telling the guy we have no confidence in you. Not the way you deal with players.

Honesty is not how you deal with players?

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[j4jets]

"$12 mil is acceptable amount for Fitz".

-Fitznutz

 

"he's worth no more than $5-6mil".

-Fitz hating goon crew n the rest of the NFL. 

[Mainejet]

10 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Just have your wife cut off your junk. Make sure she uses a clean sharp knife so they can sew it back, otherwise you'll be a different kind of porn star. 

That is just so wrong on so many levels I am reduced to being speechless.

[Mainejet]

6 hours ago, greenwave81 said:

The hell they don't ....

If he wants $12 million guaranteed, the. The Jets can insist on a 3 yr deal. This hopefully will be what Mac does, as Ryan Fitzpatrick ain't worth $12 mill for one year, especially not on this cap starved team.

One year at $12 million for Fitz would be a travesty...it would mean moving cap money into the future, losing Mo for sure and does not solve any long-term quarterback questions. It's a panic move, so this being the Jets they'll probably do it even though they should not...and I'm saying that as an extreme GeNO doubter.

And Fitz can simply say NO. And I have news for you... He's right in being to sign only for one season. He has every right to search for the most money where his career will likely be waning soon. And hell win because he could easily sign for backup this season (which is what he's essentially being offered by the Jets) with another team and then get what money he wants in free agency next season. His hands are NOT tied, no when it comes to the amount of years on the contract. You can bet your A$$, come hell or high water he WILL get involved with free agency at the end of the 2016 season. GUARANTEED. 

[Mainejet]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

I think the same thing about Fitpatrick. Did his supporters actually watch him play last year? Yes he had 31 TDs but he was pretty consistenly awful and his success was 90% Gailey and the truly awful teams we played, elements that will dramatically help Geno, and let all of those talents come out. Geno was awful at times, but quite good also, not shocking for a 1st and 2nd year QB, and he was surrounded but the worst talent in the NFL and a complete mismatch in OC in MM

When Geno can come even close to Fitz numbers last season, come and see me. Until then your argument is 100% fruitless.

[First_Blood]

Might get blasted on here but...

I'm a realist. And what I saw last year was a veteran journey man QB choking in some big games for us. Sure, our wide receivers had some drops. But, BUT I remember a majority of the time our wide receivers had to bail this noodle arm out. Remember vs the Browns when Marshall attacked the ball out of the defensive backs hands? I do...

Rewatch most of the games from last year and you will see the same thing. Balls were thrown behind, in front of the receivers. I will give him credit though... Maybe a stat junkie can look up the stats but I thought our redzone offense was amazing last yr. But the struggle was getting there. The drives were extremely long, and sometimes very ugly. I think Fitzpatrick has a weaker arm than Pennington. I am not a fan of the Beard but I am a Jets fan and just want to see us win, I just do not think he is the GUY.

Honestly I just want this nightmare to end, it's gone on way too long. If he is going to be resigned so be it, but I hope it happens soon... It is truly going to be a distraction if this lasts all the way up to training camp.

And I think even the Fitzpatrick supporters can agree with the fact that he is going to be unlikely to repeat last years #'s

Just do not overpay this fraud

[Jetsplayer21]

11 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

And Fitz can simply say NO. And I have news for you... He's right in being to sign only for one season. He has every right to search for the most money where his career will likely be waning soon. And hell win because he could easily sign for backup this season (which is what he's essentially being offered by the Jets) with another team and then get what money he wants in free agency next season. His hands are NOT tied, no when it comes to the amount of years on the contract. You can bet your A$$, come hell or high water he WILL get involved with free agency at the end of the 2016 season. GUARANTEED. 

Fitz will not get more than a $5 offer in 17 if he sits on the bench all season next yr.. And that is being generous. Most know hooking back up with gailey was big for him. Having one of best receiver duo in nfl. He is aging, and he has a weak arm to begin with.. His only shot to prove last yr wasn't a fluke is with the jets.. If he was to go somewhere else as a backup now,  he is missing valuable time learning a new offense. Why teams less likely to want to sign him as time goes on.

[Mainejet]

11 minutes ago, First_Blood said:

Might get blasted on here but...

I'm a realist. And what I saw last year was a veteran journey man QB choking in some big games for us. Sure, our wide receivers had some drops. But, BUT I remember a majority of the time our wide receivers had to bail this noodle arm out. Remember vs the Browns when Marshall attacked the ball out of the defensive backs hands? I do...

Rewatch most of the games from last year and you will see the same thing. Balls were thrown behind, in front of the receivers. I will give him credit though... Maybe a stat junkie can look up the stats but I thought our redzone offense was amazing last yr. But the struggle was getting there. The drives were extremely long, and sometimes very ugly. I think Fitzpatrick has a weaker arm than Pennington. I am not a fan of the Beard but I am a Jets fan and just want to see us win, I just do not think he is the GUY.

Honestly I just want this nightmare to end, it's gone on way too long. If he is going to be resigned so be it, but I hope it happens soon... It is truly going to be a distraction if this lasts all the way up to training camp.

And I think even the Fitzpatrick supporters can agree with the fact that he is going to be unlikely to repeat last years #'s

Just do not overpay this fraud

And how much better do you think the team will be if Geno starts?

[Mainejet]

15 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Fitz will not get more than a $5 offer in 17 if he sits on the bench all season next yr.. And that is being generous. Most know hooking back up with gailey was big for him. Having one of best receiver duo in nfl. He is aging, and he has a weak arm to begin with.. His only shot to prove last yr wasn't a fluke is with the jets.. If he was to go somewhere else as a backup now,  he is missing valuable time learning a new offense. Why teams less likely to want to sign him as time goes on.

He WON'T sit. He'll opt to sign with team that he feels he can potentially get playing time with. All he has to is show that he can still put up good numbers and he'll get MORE money than what the Jets are offering next year in FA. But like I said.....No matter what you claim you can bet your A$$ Fitz will be a free agent next year. He will NOT accept a multiple year contract from the Jets. That much I can guarantee you. Not unless it involved a MUCH more hefty salary in year 2 and so on.

[Hitman Harris]

21 minutes ago, First_Blood said:

Might get blasted on here but...

I'm a realist. And what I saw last year was a veteran journey man QB choking in some big games for us. Sure, our wide receivers had some drops. But, BUT I remember a majority of the time our wide receivers had to bail this noodle arm out. Remember vs the Browns when Marshall attacked the ball out of the defensive backs hands? I do...

Rewatch most of the games from last year and you will see the same thing. Balls were thrown behind, in front of the receivers. I will give him credit though... Maybe a stat junkie can look up the stats but I thought our redzone offense was amazing last yr. But the struggle was getting there. The drives were extremely long, and sometimes very ugly. I think Fitzpatrick has a weaker arm than Pennington. I am not a fan of the Beard but I am a Jets fan and just want to see us win, I just do not think he is the GUY.

Honestly I just want this nightmare to end, it's gone on way too long. If he is going to be resigned so be it, but I hope it happens soon... It is truly going to be a distraction if this lasts all the way up to training camp.

And I think even the Fitzpatrick supporters can agree with the fact that he is going to be unlikely to repeat last years #'s

Just do not overpay this fraud

That about sums up my feelings on Fitz. 

And the fact that he wasn't thrilled to take the too-generous-offer on the table makes me not even want him here at all. 

now I find myself hoping Geno just keeps lighting it the fuc up and impressing the team. 

Fitz can't throw deep for sh*t and that was painfully obvious to anyone watching the games. 

[Hitman Harris]

6 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

He WON'T sit. He'll opt to sign with team that he feels he can potentially get playing time with. All he has to is show that he can still put up good numbers and he'll get MORE money than what the Jets are offering next year in FA. But like I said.....No matter what you claim you can bet your A$$ Fitz will be a free agent next year. He will NOT accept a multiple year contract from the Jets. That much I can guarantee you. Not unless it involved a MUCH more hefty salary in year 2 and so on.

Dude, he aint putting up any numbers, what are you talkin about. Brandon Marshall was almost single handedly the reason for half of his numbers. 

[Powpow]

35 minutes ago, Hitman Harris said:

now I find myself hoping Geno just keeps lighting it the fuc up and impressing the team. 

Since when has Geno kept lighting it up?  He got lit up but he has never lit it up. Ever.  So stop pretending, its really absurd to entertain such fantasies.

[Jetsplayer21]

49 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

He WON'T sit. He'll opt to sign with team that he feels he can potentially get playing time with. All he has to is show that he can still put up good numbers and he'll get MORE money than what the Jets are offering next year in FA. But like I said.....No matter what you claim you can bet your A$$ Fitz will be a free agent next year. He will NOT accept a multiple year contract from the Jets. That much I can guarantee you. Not unless it involved a MUCH more hefty salary in year 2 and so on.

Lol what team do you think wants him as a starter ? Zero.. No team will offer him more than the jets for one yr. jets may offer him a 1 yr 8 million. Any team who takes him on now would strictly sign him as backup with outside chance to start at best.. It will be on a bad team, one where he likely won't play well on.. Or he is a backup to a qb who doesn't get hurt or play bad..  In either scenario all his offers for 17 go out the window, even decent backup offers.. I don't think the jets should sign him longer than a one yr deal. He has proven to be bad too many years.. Hac may be ready in 17. Petty may be ready for #2.. Or bring in another cheap vet similar to fitz was most of his career.  Jets are his only real option this yr and everybody knows it..