Report: Fitzpatrick Prepared to Accept One-Year Deal From Jets

[ylekram]

4 minutes ago, EM31 said:

If the sticking point is that Fitz thinks he has the chance to be a starter for more than one year and the Jets want the right to be able to "demote" him into a backup role in year-2 or year-3 then the simple answer is that the Jets should give him the right to test the market in year-2 or year-3 if that demotion happens.

If it doesn't and he remains the starter then he earns his incentives bringing the 3-year deal up to a value of $36M

If the demotion happens and if no real market develops for him as a starter (as many here suspect) then he has to accept the Jets 6M per-year backup money.

What the Jets cannot do is to have him start in year-1 and then demote him (at their discretion) but leave him with no alternative but to accept such a decision. 

which is exactly how I am reading the jets offer to fitz. that's why fitz wont sign the deal. that's why no player that thinks he is a starter at any position wont sign such a deal. the 1st year money is great for fitz. the contract in its entirety is dog dick

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Mainejet said:

There's more than one team that wants Fitz as depth. MORE than one. If he picks the right team, he'll get playing time due to injury or ineffectiveness. At that point, all he has to do is put up good numbers. That's it, and he'll be primed to receive big money in FA in 2017. Guaranteed. SOMEBODY wants a QB for 2017 that can pass for 3905 yards, 31 TD and only 15 INT. GUARANTEED somebody wants him. Fitz will also guaranteed take advantage of himself. He's betting on himself by signing a one year deal, don't you get what that means?

Ha Maine you are betting a awful lot on "maybes" first that a team will want to spend $ this late on depth. Sure he can find a #2 spot if he takes 5 mil. But it will be on a sh*tt team.. He will more than likely look like typical garbage as he has in the past on a bad team. Without his OC wonder gailey, and the best 1-2 WR duo in nfl. And a great defense does wonders for a qb. Then when he plays bad this yr, what he did last yr will be forgotten..

  You are pointing at stats, but it's one yr only over a journey career. Did you watch how bad many of his throws were ? But Marshall is an expert and helping out poor throws.. If fitz leaves, he likely is looking at backup only in what little time he has left.. You don't get many shots at qb in this league.. Only mark Sanchez.. 

[ylekram]

2 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Ha Maine you are betting a awful lot on "maybes" first that a team will want to spend $ this late on depth. Sure he can find a #2 spot if he takes 5 mil. But it will be on a sh*tt team.. He will more than likely look like typical garbage as he has in the past on a bad team. Without his OC wonder gailey, and the best 1-2 WR duo in nfl. And a great defense does wonders for a qb. Then when he plays bad this yr, what he did last yr will be forgotten..

  You are pointing at stats, but it's one yr only over a journey career. Did you watch how bad many of his throws were ? But Marshall is an expert and helping out poor throws.. If fitz leaves, he likely is looking at backup only in what little time he has left.. You don't get many shots at qb in this league.. Only mark Sanchez.. 

geeze, another nostradomus

[slats]

17 minutes ago, EM31 said:

If the sticking point is that Fitz thinks he has the chance to be a starter for more than one year and the Jets want the right to be able to "demote" him into a backup role in year-2 or year-3 then the simple answer is that the Jets should give him the right to test the market in year-2 or year-3 if that demotion happens.

If it doesn't and he remains the starter then he earns his incentives bringing the 3-year deal up to a value of $36M

If the demotion happens and if no real market develops for him as a starter (as many here suspect) then he has to accept the Jets 6M per-year backup money.

What the Jets cannot do is to have him start in year-1 and then demote him (at their discretion) but leave him with no alternative but to accept such a decision. 

What? Like every other player under contract in the NFL? Yeah, that would totally be unfair. 

[bostonmajet]

My take on this is there is a way to make everyone happy (or happier) without drastically changing the nature of the deal.

As far as I see it; Mac want's one more year as Fitz as a starter and 2 years as a backup - he wants to hold the fort until Hack (or someone else) is ready. Also, he wants a bit of insurance that if nobody else is there, Fitz can start next year as well. He is willing to pay 'a little extra' in the first year to have the flexibility in the last 2 years. Mac is also worried that last year was an aberration and not likely to happen again.

Fitz wants to be paid as a starter for any length of contract; thus the 2 years at backup money is a problem. And if he plays well this year, he doesn't want to be locked into 2 years on the cheap (probably isn't thrilled with the 12 million either).

This is what I think the Jets should do. Keep the contract offer the same except:

1. 3 or 4 million of this years money is a roster bonus paid next year. It is still guaranteed as well as the extra 3 million of guaranteed money.

2. After this season is over and up until some point (let's say middle of March or about) Fitz has the OPTION to pull out of the contract, but he forfeit's the roster bonus and the other 3 million in guarantees.

3. If Fitz exercises his option, the Jets have 2 weeks to exercise their option to retain Fitz, but at a 12-15 million (based on incentives) instead of the 6 million and Fitz would get the same option for year 2 (take 3 or 4 million as a bonus and be able to opt out of year 3); Fitz could still leave, but the Jets would receive say a 2nd round pick.

This way, if Fitz completely sucks or gets a career ending injury, he still gets the 15 million in guaranteed money.

If he has a year similar (or slightly worse) to this past year, he can either take the bonus, and stay, or take his chances and opt out. This way, he has the freedom to not be a backup, but Mac didn't pay full prices for a average or below average year.

If, however, Fitz has a great year (and maybe takes us to playoffs or deep in playoffs), Fitz can opt out. Then, if the Jets still wanted him that can have him for 12-15 (say an AC Champ game gets him to 15). Plus the leverage of the extra 3 to 4 million he still gets. So, Fitz would likely turn down another 12 million job as he would loose the roster bonus. And he is free to opt out the third year.

If his year is so good and someone offers him 20 million and the Jets a 2nd he can move on (not likely).

Here he gets more money if he plays well (and an escape clause), Mac gets leverage, a starter for 12 million and either a good backup, or saves 3 million if they are willing to let him go and start Hack.

[Jetsplayer21]

It says it's now June. Teams like to have their qb depth chart settled by end of the draft.. Fitz isn't good enough for a team to take him on with any seriousness this late in the game.. Only the team whose offense and O-cord he knows well..

[cant wait]

11 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

My take on this is there is a way to make everyone happy (or happier) without drastically changing the nature of the deal.

As far as I see it; Mac want's one more year as Fitz as a starter and 2 years as a backup - he wants to hold the fort until Hack (or someone else) is ready. Also, he wants a bit of insurance that if nobody else is there, Fitz can start next year as well. He is willing to pay 'a little extra' in the first year to have the flexibility in the last 2 years. Mac is also worried that last year was an aberration and not likely to happen again.

Fitz wants to be paid as a starter for any length of contract; thus the 2 years at backup money is a problem. And if he plays well this year, he doesn't want to be locked into 2 years on the cheap (probably isn't thrilled with the 12 million either).

This is what I think the Jets should do. Keep the contract offer the same except:

1. 3 or 4 million of this years money is a roster bonus paid next year. It is still guaranteed as well as the extra 3 million of guaranteed money.

2. After this season is over and up until some point (let's say middle of March or about) Fitz has the OPTION to pull out of the contract, but he forfeit's the roster bonus and the other 3 million in guarantees.

3. If Fitz exercises his option, the Jets have 2 weeks to exercise their option to retain Fitz, but at a 12-15 million (based on incentives) instead of the 6 million and Fitz would get the same option for year 2 (take 3 or 4 million as a bonus and be able to opt out of year 3); Fitz could still leave, but the Jets would receive say a 2nd round pick.

This way, if Fitz completely sucks or gets a career ending injury, he still gets the 15 million in guaranteed money.

If he has a year similar (or slightly worse) to this past year, he can either take the bonus, and stay, or take his chances and opt out. This way, he has the freedom to not be a backup, but Mac didn't pay full prices for a average or below average year.

If, however, Fitz has a great year (and maybe takes us to playoffs or deep in playoffs), Fitz can opt out. Then, if the Jets still wanted him that can have him for 12-15 (say an AC Champ game gets him to 15). Plus the leverage of the extra 3 to 4 million he still gets. So, Fitz would likely turn down another 12 million job as he would loose the roster bonus. And he is free to opt out the third year.

If his year is so good and someone offers him 20 million and the Jets a 2nd he can move on (not likely).

Here he gets more money if he plays well (and an escape clause), Mac gets leverage, a starter for 12 million and either a good backup, or saves 3 million if they are willing to let him go and start Hack.

Fitz isn't going to get paid starter money though, so maybe he should just retire 

[JohnnyLV]

53 minutes ago, EM31 said:

If the sticking point is that Fitz thinks he has the chance to be a starter for more than one year and the Jets want the right to be able to "demote" him into a backup role in year-2 or year-3 then the simple answer is that the Jets should give him the right to test the market in year-2 or year-3 if that demotion happens.

If it doesn't and he remains the starter then he earns his incentives bringing the 3-year deal up to a value of $36M

If the demotion happens and if no real market develops for him as a starter (as many here suspect) then he has to accept the Jets 6M per-year backup money.

What the Jets cannot do is to have him start in year-1 and then demote him (at their discretion) but leave him with no alternative but to accept such a decision. 

Why in all fuuck would the Jets ever offer a contract like that? They CLEARLY have no intention of him starting psst this year, and despite their lip service, their actions say they don't really want him all that badly even this year

Your contract idea  is ludicrous.

[JohnnyLV]

30 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

My take on this is there is a way to make everyone happy (or happier) without drastically changing the nature of the deal.

As far as I see it; Mac want's one more year as Fitz as a starter and 2 years as a backup - he wants to hold the fort until Hack (or someone else) is ready. Also, he wants a bit of insurance that if nobody else is there, Fitz can start next year as well. He is willing to pay 'a little extra' in the first year to have the flexibility in the last 2 years. Mac is also worried that last year was an aberration and not likely to happen again.

Fitz wants to be paid as a starter for any length of contract; thus the 2 years at backup money is a problem. And if he plays well this year, he doesn't want to be locked into 2 years on the cheap (probably isn't thrilled with the 12 million either).

This is what I think the Jets should do. Keep the contract offer the same except:

1. 3 or 4 million of this years money is a roster bonus paid next year. It is still guaranteed as well as the extra 3 million of guaranteed money.

2. After this season is over and up until some point (let's say middle of March or about) Fitz has the OPTION to pull out of the contract, but he forfeit's the roster bonus and the other 3 million in guarantees.

3. If Fitz exercises his option, the Jets have 2 weeks to exercise their option to retain Fitz, but at a 12-15 million (based on incentives) instead of the 6 million and Fitz would get the same option for year 2 (take 3 or 4 million as a bonus and be able to opt out of year 3); Fitz could still leave, but the Jets would receive say a 2nd round pick.

This way, if Fitz completely sucks or gets a career ending injury, he still gets the 15 million in guaranteed money.

If he has a year similar (or slightly worse) to this past year, he can either take the bonus, and stay, or take his chances and opt out. This way, he has the freedom to not be a backup, but Mac didn't pay full prices for a average or below average year.

If, however, Fitz has a great year (and maybe takes us to playoffs or deep in playoffs), Fitz can opt out. Then, if the Jets still wanted him that can have him for 12-15 (say an AC Champ game gets him to 15). Plus the leverage of the extra 3 to 4 million he still gets. So, Fitz would likely turn down another 12 million job as he would loose the roster bonus. And he is free to opt out the third year.

If his year is so good and someone offers him 20 million and the Jets a 2nd he can move on (not likely).

Here he gets more money if he plays well (and an escape clause), Mac gets leverage, a starter for 12 million and either a good backup, or saves 3 million if they are willing to let him go and start Hack.

No. Just no. You don't give NFL players those types of contracts. He has two choices likely:  

Contract on table or $6 million for 1 year. That's it. 

[bostonmajet]

11 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

No. Just no. You don't give NFL players those types of contracts. He has two choices likely:  

Contract on table or $6 million for 1 year. That's it. 

This kind of stuff happens all of the time (even in the NFL); It also doesn't cost the jets anything unless Fitz plays balls to the walls and we are either in the AFCC game or in the super bowl in which case either  who cares and pay the man for the extra year or he would have held out anyway.

[ylekram]

13 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Why in all fuuck would the Jets ever offer a contract like that? They CLEARLY have no intention of him starting psst this year, and despite their lip service, their actions say they don't really want him all that badly even this year

Your contract idea  is ludicrous.

I think that any contract by the jets that requires fitzpatricks signature and contains any kind of compensation is ludicrous in your eyes. to say that someone else's opinion of what the contract should look like is ludicrous, knowing your mindset, is ludicrous

[Smashmouth]

8 minutes ago, ylekram said:

I think that any contract by the jets that requires fitzpatricks signature and contains any kind of compensation is ludicrous in your eyes. to say that someone else's opinion of what the contract should look like is ludicrous, knowing your mindset, is ludicrous

just use the ignore feature Its made my time on these boards much more enjoyable. Getting rid of the Idiots who bash others opinions is well worth it.

[JohnnyLV]

10 minutes ago, ylekram said:

I think that any contract by the jets that requires fitzpatricks signature and contains any kind of compensation is ludicrous in your eyes. to say that someone else's opinion of what the contract should look like is ludicrous, knowing your mindset, is ludicrous

Not true, $6 million for 1 year and competing for starter is not unreasonable,  and makes sense. Any sort of starter money and starting guarantee is just idiotic 

[JetBlue]

13 hours ago, Mainejet said:

When Geno can come even close to Fitz numbers last season, come and see me. Until then your argument is 100% fruitless.

Well if he gets to play with Marshall and Decker etc. this year you may get your wish.  

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

It says it's now June. 

:reads calendar vigorously:

Yes. I concur with this assessment. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

If the sticking point is that Fitz thinks he has the chance to be a starter for more than one year and the Jets want the right to be able to "demote" him into a backup role in year-2 or year-3 then the simple answer is that the Jets should give him the right to test the market in year-2 or year-3 if that demotion happens.

If it doesn't and he remains the starter then he earns his incentives bringing the 3-year deal up to a value of $36M

If the demotion happens and if no real market develops for him as a starter (as many here suspect) then he has to accept the Jets 6M per-year backup money.

What the Jets cannot do is to have him start in year-1 and then demote him (at their discretion) but leave him with no alternative but to accept such a decision. 

So Fitz wants a deal that pays him starting money for 3 seasons.  

Dont see what the big deal is.  If the Jets up the money in year 2 and 3 they'll take the guarantees away.  There's not a chance in hell he gets 6 per in year 2 and 3 guaranteed.  There's little chance Fitz is on the team after next season, why would the Jets guarantee anything dollar wise?  

 

[Mike135]

So what gets settled first?  Our QB situation or Brady's suspension/appeal?

[EM31]

1 hour ago, slats said:

What? Like every other player under contract in the NFL? Yeah, that would totally be unfair. 

Would any other starting QB in the NFL sign a deal that gave the team the option to demote him in the out years AND to pay him as the backup in the event that they made such a decision?  Please name me one single player who would accept that deal.  It is absurd from a player point of view.

And... to repeat.  If the Jets want the right to make the change then they should be willing to give him the right to find a starter deal elsewhere without penalty.  Having their cake and eating it much?  You like Petty in 2017?  Fine, let me see if I can be a starter elsewhere..  You like Hackenberg to be your starter in 2017?  Fine, let me see what the market is for starters elsewhere.

 

[EM31]

15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

So Fitz wants a deal that pays him starting money for 3 seasons.  

Dont see what the big deal is.  If the Jets up the money in year 2 and 3 they'll take the guarantees away.  There's not a chance in hell he gets 6 per in year 2 and 3 guaranteed.  There's little chance Fitz is on the team after next season, why would the Jets guarantee anything dollar wise?  

 

For the purposes of framing the discussion are we agreed that 12M is the current (lower end) market for starter money and 6M is veteran backup money?

[Jet Fan RI]

17 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

So what gets settled first?  Our QB situation or Brady's suspension/appeal?

Depends on what you mean by "settled." If you mean the final decision by SCOTUS, that would happen at the end, or even after, the season. If that's what you mean, our QB situation definitely is settled first.

[Mike135]

Just now, Jet Fan RI said:

Depends on what you mean by "settled." If you mean the final decision by SCOTUS, that would happen at the end, or even after, the season. If that's what you mean, our QB situation definitely is settled first.

The way things are going I could imagine Fitz accepting/denying weekly contracts through the season.  Like, "hey I threw 3 TDs last week and Eli only threw 2... this week I want 1.5mil".

But yeah if Brady goes to the Supreme Court, that'll sure take some time.  Not sure if he will though.  It's one thing to appeal to lower courts, but the jump to SCOTUS would bring a whole 'nother level of scrutiny on him.

So I'll rephrase the question.  What will happen first?  A decision whether or not the 2nd Circuit hears the appeal or our QB situation is settled?

 

[Jet Nut]

31 minutes ago, EM31 said:

For the purposes of framing the discussion are we agreed that 12M is the current (lower end) market for starter money and 6M is veteran backup money?

Maybe, I don't agree with slotting a player in by what a position pays without looking at the entire picture.  A large part of guys getting money is demand and the prospect of improvement.  I'd be willing to bet that Fitz doesn't improve and has no other offers.  The Jets want nothing to do with paying him after this season.  He has to roll the dice and hope it changes.   It's not like he has another offer, a multi year offer at that.  

We've, Fitz, has completely lost sight of the fact that he's gone from 3.4 mil to 12 mil and wants more money in years he more than likely won't ever see.  

 

[cant wait]

42 minutes ago, EM31 said:

For the purposes of framing the discussion are we agreed that 12M is the current (lower end) market for starter money and 6M is veteran backup money?

You know why Houston paid osweiler that big contract? Because if they didn't, someone else would pay him. Nobody in the NFL is going to offer fitz even low-end starter money, therefore he will not be paid as such 

[dbatesman]

On June 2, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm saying he has those concerns, or should have them on a personal level, because denying the strength of public perception is naive. It is convenient for me, you, or anyone to dismiss them as though these external pressures don't exist. I agree it is unwise on paper, but he may not survive long enough to show he was right about some of those decisions (or non-decisions).

I think that is a good part of the reason they're going back to Fitzpatrick at all. If they believed in him that much, at such an important position, with such a veteran team, there would be no dillydallying over a few million that gets lost in the sands of time. Hell, they just threw $3M/year on yet another backup 300-lb DE (who's going to also probably going to cost us a 4th round draft pick when the dust settles). I think that the bad PR he'd get is also the reason he didn't trade Mo. He drew a line in the sand at a first round pick. But in reality, what is the difference between the #30 pick and the #35 pick other than public perception? It's nowhere near the difference between #30 and #15. Yet this was his line in the sand. Why? Because he'd get creamed for letting Mo go for less than a #1 pick even if no other GM thought he was worth that either.  Is it better to get a mid-2nd in 2016, or after an 8-8 season with Mo this year to lose him for a 3rd round comp pick, around #100 overall, 2 years later in 2018 that 50/50 we won't even see (on top of the $16M he'll cost for this 1 more season).

I'm not personally worried on his behalf about his PR problems. I'm saying he has some of these concerns dealing with reality. It's a lot of what did in his predecessor (that and some sh*tty moves, but GMs have survived worse, particularly if they're force-fed a HC for 2 yrs who also got fired). Through all the bad Idzik moves, the truth is it's still possible for a lot of them to still work out, and he was further canned before he spent so much of the cash he'd saved up, largely due to bad PR. What he couldn't survive was that ridiculous, cringe-worthy, rambling speech he made, plus a nationally-covered campaign by a group to get him fired.

I think Maccagnan, like lots of people, reads the tea leaves. He's not just the GM of the Jets. He's also a grown man with a family. His #1 job is not, in fact, building a winner with the Jets but in keeping his high-paying job for as long as he can. Building a winner will of course do wonders for that, but in the absence of such, it's better for him to tread water than to drown. Just ask John Idzik. 

Well said. When the owner spends the better part of a decade proving over and over again that he can't or won't stomach the risks involved in running the franchise like a big-boy team, these are the perverse incentives that result.

[slats]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

Would any other starting QB in the NFL sign a deal that gave the team the option to demote him in the out years AND to pay him as the backup in the event that they made such a decision?  Please name me one single player who would accept that deal.  It is absurd from a player point of view.

And... to repeat.  If the Jets want the right to make the change then they should be willing to give him the right to find a starter deal elsewhere without penalty.  Having their cake and eating it much?  You like Petty in 2017?  Fine, let me see if I can be a starter elsewhere..  You like Hackenberg to be your starter in 2017?  Fine, let me see what the market is for starters elsewhere.

 

Darrelle Revis, future HoF'er, has a contract that pays him significantly less in the last two years than he gets paid this season. The Jets could choose to move him to the slot, move him to safety, or move him to the bench in those last two years. He understood that when he signed the contract. 

The Jets are offering Fitzpatrick a contract that suits their needs. They want a stopgap starter, and they want a longer term backup/mentor. They even threw some incentive money in to sweeten the deal. If Fitz doesn't like it, he's under no obligation to sign. Just like if the Jets don't feel Fitz is worth signing on a one year deal, they don't have to offer him one. And that's the impasse they're at. Personally, I don't think Fitz will ever see that kinda money anywhere else. He's coming off a career year and didn't get a nibble as a free agent. Even if they gave him a one year deal, he's unlikely to repeat last season's numbers, and next year he'll be pushing 35. Once again, no one will be offering him a starting job. Three years, $24M (possibly $36M) is a pretty sweet deal for him. I think he's a fool if he leaves it on the table. 

[Mike135]

11 minutes ago, slats said:

Darrelle Revis, future HoF'er, has a contract that pays him significantly less in the last two years than he gets paid this season. The Jets could choose to move him to the slot, move him to safety, or move him to the bench in those last two years. He understood that when he signed the contract. 

The Jets are offering Fitzpatrick a contract that suits their needs. They want a stopgap starter, and they want a longer term backup/mentor. They even threw some incentive money in to sweeten the deal. If Fitz doesn't like it, he's under no obligation to sign. Just like if the Jets don't feel Fitz is worth signing on a one year deal, they don't have to offer him one. And that's the impasse they're at. Personally, I don't think Fitz will ever see that kinda money anywhere else. He's coming off a career year and didn't get a nibble as a free agent. Even if they gave him a one year deal, he's unlikely to repeat last season's numbers, and next year he'll be pushing 35. Once again, no one will be offering him a starting job. Three years, $24M (possibly $36M) is a pretty sweet deal for him. I think he's a fool if he leaves it on the table. 

Right, because of last year and perhaps his familiarity with Gailey, the Jets are giving him the best offer he's most likely ever going to see again.

The potential to start this season and an extended role as a top tiered backup afterwards.  The relationship(s) made with the team last year allow for it.  No one else will even give him a decent (5mil) one year deal.

Dude is insane for not taking it.  Even worse, Macc is freakin nuts for keeping the offer out there.

End it Macc!  Pull the offer and move on.

[southparkcpa]

3 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Right, because of last year and perhaps his familiarity with Gailey, the Jets are giving him the best offer he's mostly likely ever going to see again.

The potential to start this season and an extended role as a top tiered backup afterwards.  The relationship(s) made with the team last year allow for it.  No one else will even give him a decent (5mil) one year deal.

Dude is insane for not taking it.  Even worse, Macc is freakin nuts for keeping the offer out there.

End it Macc!  Pull the offer and move on.

I agree. PULL the offer.  

Or ...give him a solid deadline of say Monday at noon.

FITZ is a journeyman, no more, perhaps less.   

46 years of no SB... Well another year won't matter much. 

 

[EM31]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Darrelle Revis, future HoF'er, has a contract that pays him significantly less in the last two years than he gets paid this season. The Jets could choose to move him to the slot, move him to safety, or move him to the bench in those last two years. He understood that when he signed the contract. 

The Jets are offering Fitzpatrick a contract that suits their needs. They want a stopgap starter, and they want a longer term backup/mentor. They even threw some incentive money in to sweeten the deal. If Fitz doesn't like it, he's under no obligation to sign. Just like if the Jets don't feel Fitz is worth signing on a one year deal, they don't have to offer him one. And that's the impasse they're at. Personally, I don't think Fitz will ever see that kinda money anywhere else. He's coming off a career year and didn't get a nibble as a free agent. Even if they gave him a one year deal, he's unlikely to repeat last season's numbers, and next year he'll be pushing 35. Once again, no one will be offering him a starting job. Three years, $24M (possibly $36M) is a pretty sweet deal for him. I think he's a fool if he leaves it on the table. 

Perspectives differ.  At this point he and his agent have to have run the numbers to see how many teams have a starter go down early and need to sign one in a hurry.

I do not see the logic or the fairness in insisting on having control of Fitz in the out years if they have already decided to go with a different starter.  The Jets are trying to have it both ways in that case. 

[Mike135]

2 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Perspectives differ.  At this point he and his agent have to have run the numbers to see how many teams have a starter go down early and need to sign one in a hurry.

I do not see the logic or the fairness in insisting on having control of Fitz in the out years if they have already decided to go with a different starter.  The Jets are trying to have it both ways in that case. 

It's far and away the best offer he has.  It could be the ONLY offer.  If Fitz doesn't want it, awesome!  It's too generous in my opinion.  Pull the offer and end it now.

To adjust the offer to something the Jets want even less when Fitz does not have any other offers would be freakin idiotic.

[slats]

1 minute ago, EM31 said:

Perspectives differ.  At this point he and his agent have to have run the numbers to see how many teams have a starter go down early and need to sign one in a hurry.

I do not see the logic or the fairness in insisting on having control of Fitz in the out years if they have already decided to go with a different starter.  The Jets are trying to have it both ways in that case. 

They are, which is their right. And I think they're right to do it. Fitz doesn't offer significantly more on the field than Geno, but he does offer a lot more off the field, tutoring the kids, etc. They're only interested if they get that for the three years. 

However unfair you may think it is, it's also by far the best (only?) deal he's seen this off season. The Jets have every ounce of leverage in this negotiation, and given their position I think they offered Fitzpatrick a very nice contract. Do you have to honestly see him earning $24M over the next three years if he turns it down? In his career, this is only the second time he's being offered a starting job as a free agent. I don't see it happening again, no matter what his ego is telling him. 

[EM31]

In every negotiation there are always fans telling the player that they should take the deal on the table.  That it is very generous.  That they should snatch it up before it is taken away again.  That the other guy is always the one who is being unreasonable.  I am not sure I have ever seen a contract situation where this is not being said.

Many times the player gives in and many times the team, (this team) ends up changing their offer and then a deal gets done.

I have already said that I prefer Geno even though I feel that he is a significant step down from the other guy. Significant.

...And then there are those who feel that Geno might be a little bit better or even a lot better than Fitzpatrick.  For them all of this process probably feels a bit unfair and unnecessary.

Yet we are still talking to Fitz.

The GM is walking a bit of a narrow path here.

<edited to add>

The reason I do not buy the figleaf theory for the GM having political cover is that there is no political cover if this goes the wrong way at QB. 

[HighPitch]

for the record id just like the world to know im prepared and willing to accept a marrige proposal from adrian curry

[Mike135]

6 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

for the record id just like the world to know im prepared and willing to accept a marrige proposal from adrian curry

Gave ya rep for that one.  See it's not dumb.

[Rangers9]

2 hours ago, slats said:

They are, which is their right. And I think they're right to do it. Fitz doesn't offer significantly more on the field than Geno, but he does offer a lot more off the field, tutoring the kids, etc. They're only interested if they get that for the three years. 

However unfair you may think it is, it's also by far the best (only?) deal he's seen this off season. The Jets have every ounce of leverage in this negotiation, and given their position I think they offered Fitzpatrick a very nice contract. Do you have to honestly see him earning $24M over the next three years if he turns it down? In his career, this is only the second time he's being offered a starting job as a free agent. I don't see it happening again, no matter what his ego is telling him. 

Actually I've never heard that Fitz is a great tutor and can mentor the young Qbs. I didn't hear it last year from either Geno or Petty. They have a Qb coach and they can get someone a lot cheaper. Bring back Garrard or Brunell if you want a mentor then. You know 24 mil to us is a lot of money but in that market it's not very much. You're talking the most prestigious position in the wealthiest pro sport. Actually consider the cash cow the NFL is and 20 mil for a Qb is cheap considering what the owners net. I just heard on the radio that Bryce Harper could get a half a billion on his next deal. 50 mil a year for ten years. And MLB isn't as rich as the NFL. I think NFL Qbs in the near future are going to make that kind of money. I mean not grade B Qbs like Fitz but the elite guys. The only reason they haven't kicked the can on that kind of cash is because their Players Association doesn't know what they're doing. They make bad deals and then try to squirm out of them. If a guy like Marvin Miller had been running the NFLPA from the start they would have guaranteed contracts like all of the other sports. So Mac's lowball offer to Fitz is a joke. The only other problem for Fitz is that there is collusion and the owners will cooperate to keep salaries down. I just love fans who are working guys themselves being on the side of management over the players. 

[BowlesMovement]

Can we just tell Fitz to not Sh!t then get off the pot? There is no way in hell we can let Geno walk without giving him a fair stock valuation before he walks. Do you think Warren Buffet got rich by not doing fair valuations??? I think NOT!