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Just now, Mike135 said:

This is like hooking up with three chicks at the bar.  One is a 200lb beast but her two friends are cute, so you go along with it.

They take you back to their place.  The words "orgy" and "foursome" are being used.

Once things heat up, the two cute chicks leave the room and you're left with the the Rob Ryan lookalike.  Not cool!

1st year @12mil = the fat chick

2nd and 3rd years @6mil = the two cute chicks

No one bones the fat chick w/o the cute ones.

A brilliant analysis. How'd you even conceive of that one. You get my vote for Post of the day on this one.😃

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Mac's trying to cover his ass in year's 2 and 3 and Fitz doesn't want to go along with it. 

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38 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Ha, wish I could say I thought of it out of no where.  But sadly, it's a true story.

It also wins in the "how low can they go" category for comparing the Jets offer to Fitz as being like banging a fat broad who looks like Rex and who even you would turn down. Good job :unsure:.

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23 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Based on the offer, I don't know that it is obvious.  I'd say it's obvious they want him to at least compete for the job this year though.  But at 8mil per on average for 3 seasons, it's not quite as bad if he ends up not starting and just being the vet backup through what could be a challenging three years of getting one of Geno/Hack/Petty to be a true starter.

@12mil for one year, you're basically handing him the starting gig for one year and left with having to decide whether to re-sign either him or Geno again next season.  No benefit to the Jets at all.

If he's on the team he's not competing for the starting job because there is nobody to compete with. Bowles doesn't want Geno and he showed that last year big time. The guy had a broken wrist and he still played. Something you guys give him no credit for at all. That was the perfect time to switch Qbs and Bowles preferred a Qb with a broken wrist over Geno Smith. And that also includes Gailey. Now what's your excuse for that one. Geno didn't get a fair break? 

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Just now, Mike135 said:

lol, she looked like Rob!  At least he has long hair.  Two cute chicks or not, a Rex lookalike woulda been a deal-breaker.

Going back many years I remember getting stuck with the fat one too. But not as bad as Rob Ryan. Was she into foot fetishes?

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Just now, Mike135 said:

The writing is on the wall man.  Get in your pro-Fitz arguments as quickly as possible.  This will all be over soon.  :D

Sure and welcome back to 4-12. You might get your wish. 

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47 minutes ago, cant wait said:

That's fine but it still doesn't mean they don't think he's a below average starting QB

He wasn't below average last year and his stats prove that. If you want to talk about ten years ago or one bad game be my guest. He was easily a top 15 Qb in 2015. I'm talking for that one year not a career. It could be like Bowles said he finally found the right place. And Todd isn't involved in these poorly managed negotiations. 

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1 minute ago, Mike135 said:

I don't know how you say "poorly managed negotiations".  Just because you disagree with his view, ya can't say they're not managed correctly.

Macc is kickin' some @ss.  He has his numbers and he's sticking to 'em.  Only making things public as a last resort before what I believe will be the eventual door shutting on Fitz.

It's refreshing to have a GM who judged the market perfectly and won't budge.

You don't kick ass with your starting Qb. Nobody in the NFL plays that game. You want a good relationship with him. He's your leader on the field. This doesn't mean you give the guy an insane contract. A one year deal at starters money isn't insane it's fair. 

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1 minute ago, Mike135 said:

Agreed.  But Macc doesn't seem to really consider Fitz our "starting" QB.  Could he start?  Sure.  But he's not our/a "starter".

Then don't start him even in 2016. If he feels that way don't sign him. 

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1 hour ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Brady makes 14 mil. 

This kind of thinking went wild in the 80s which is why they needed a salary cap in the first place. teams rewarded players all the time. 

Nowadays you cannot run a team that way. It's all about value. You can't even keep any depth anymore. You overpay when you have to. You certainly do not pay more than you have to or everyone will want a raise. This is not Jerry Maguire. 

I think Brady is making a lot more than 14. And guys like Flacco and Brees are getting 20 plus. Average starter money is about 16 and we're about guys like Dalton. These are multi-year deals that sometimes exceed 100 mil. So one year for 12 doesn't commit you to a player or kill your cap. I mean Mo doesn't want the franchise tag and won't sign it and it's 16 mil. He wants more years and guaranteed money because in the NFL you can get cut and then you get nothing. Plus if you get injured you get nothing after that one year. With the multi year deal you get the value of the entire contract. So Fitz is giving up a lot and taking a chance by taking a one year contract. I think the Jets owe him more consideration because he got lower backup money last year and started every game. By the way the cap has gone up every year and that's to better compensate the players via higher salaries. 

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Well the next time I believe anything Mehta said will be the first time. But probably this time it could be true. 

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4 minutes ago, Jet Fan RI said:

It probably is true. It makes a lot of sense.

To me it makes no sense so it's probably true. 

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20 minutes ago, Jet Fan RI said:

The reason it makes sense is the hit to cap space this year with a 1-year,  $12M deal. The 3-year $24M deal avoids the hit this year, even if he is paid $12M this year.

Then do a Revis-NEP kind of deal and then cut Fitz next year. 

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42 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Using an average of starting money is not the proper way since there are only 2 tiers. The top 21 QBs all make between 16 and 22 mil per year. The lowest 2 being Dalton, and Palmer.

there is one QB making 12 mil and that is the extremely stupid deal made by the Rams for Nick Foles who is not even going to start.

The next 11 QBs make between 4.5 and 7.5 mil. All of them starters. The highest being Andrew Luck

Where do you put Fitz? In the top tier, or the the lower tier? If he's in the lower tier then 8 mil is a very good offer. 

Those starters like Winston and Mariota are all on rookie contracts. 

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So here is Brian Costello's take on why the Jets won't give Fitz a one year deal: http://nypost.com/2016/06/02/the-reasons-jets-object-to-one-year-ryan-fitzpatrick-solution/ He also says that people in the Jets org think a deal will get done. I read the article and don't agree with the Jets FO on any of this. It's one sided and not exactly a smart way to deal with your starting Qb. 

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Well would cutting the 12 down to 8 in a one year deal work for Mac. Maybe give him a few of those incentives thrown in if the Jets make the playoffs. Or does he want to control Fitz for the rest of his career and basically cover his ass if those other guys aren't capable of starting. I guarantee you that would be it for Fitz in a Jets uni after 2016. 

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Unless we don't know about negotiations between Fitz's agent and other teams and current interest in his services the Jets have really got him painted into a corner and are taking full advantage of it. Some fans say why not, don't outbid yourself. But again theoretically all teams want their starting Qbs to be happy and a couple of million isn't going to break the bank. So really the only way Fitz can market himself is to play in 2016 and right now the only real starting job available is with the Jets. btw if something happens to Geno in training camp (like another teammate punches him out-does he ever learn his lesson) then the shoes on the other.foot. The Jets don't have a starter only two young Qbs not ready. Then they could sign someone cheap for 2 mil or pay Fitz. btw imo all of this smacks of Woody in the background. Whenever you see the org act with ineptitude my first thought is that he's involved in it. 

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6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Fitzgerald is the VP of the company who has a corner office, knows all of the ins and outs of the business and the company, but is not savvy in regard to new skills and recent industry developments. His acumen is eroding year after year.

There is value for the company to keep him, but, they also know that if they continue with this out-dated, dinosaur, their company will not advance and will not grow. It will remain flat. And in business you are other growing or dying. 

The company knows that it must do a better job of developing executives internally. They do not want to recruit high priced talent from other firms, thy just need to lay the groundwork of developing their own. They realize that committing to that doddering old man in the corner is just not a long term solution, and will not help them proposer long term. they just need to figure out a way to maybe milk a little more service from him, bit not overextend themselves.

 

Sure if you're willing to lose and rebuild in 2016 ok. But if you want to win and compete after a 10-6 season when we came within one play of making the playoffs you go with your best players. And if you don't see him in your future you give him a one year deal. It's all about 2016. 

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13 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Sometimes you have to take a step backwards, in order to to take 2 forward. I do not have hope of this being a SB squad, as we sit here today. It is not a rebuild, but it is not an upper echelon either.

I don't understand why any Jets fan would want to take a step back after a 10-6 You can still have Wilk and Revis is here and getting paid huge money. Hopefully he has a better year. Who knows next year they might cut him. So you try to take advantage of the players you have now. We might not have David Harris next year and who knows about Marshall. To me 2016 is our best chance in years to make the playoffs. We had something good going in 2015 and why blow everything up. It's way too early to do that. One of the keys in our success last season was Fitz. We would not have been 10-6 without him. And if a few other guys had made plays we might have won that Bills game. LIke the punter for example. No muffed punt no Bills TD. 

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Look the reason Mac was able to get Marshall so cheap was because he created problems in the locker room and didn't get along with his Qb. Reporters said they could hear Marshall screaming and yelling at players after a game. As for Cutler he played a lot better without Marshall this past season than with him. Marshall came here and had a career season. Do you think that had nothing to do with the Qb. That it was all Marshall making circus catches and bailing out Fitz. If you think like that you weren't watching games or listening to what the players had to say about Fitz. He got along with Marshall and has a great relationship with him which isn't easy. He also has a good relationship with the other Jets premium play maker, Decker. And Forte said one of the reasons he signed here was to play with Fitz because he heard from Marshall that they had something good going here and a Qb who is a leader. Now if Geno starts good luck to him but he has a poor record getting along with players. Last summer after IK punched him many of them contacted IK and gave him their support. And there were reports that several guys had said that Geno deserved it. Now Marshall has said all of the right things about Geno and maybe believes them. But when push comes to shove during the regular season and things don't go well what's going to happen. Is Geno going to be able to handle a volatile personality like Brandon Marshall. Again why change something that works. 

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9 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

Prior to IK punching him, what reports did you have that Geno has a poor record of getting along with players?   Wasn't Marshall actually living with Geno last off season?   Decker was verbally supportive last off season as well.  Where do you get this stuff from?   If Fitz wants more than the Jets are willing to pay it is next man up, period.   Fitz is such a great leader he has never lead a single team to the playoffs.  Hell, even Tebow got a team to the playoffs.  Sorry, I truly believe this locker room stuff is WAY overblown.  If Geno plays well, and shows he has matured, he will no problem in that locker room. 

Look you're kind of right in a way. But there were reports (and some of the sources are not that great) that some Jets players said that Geno deserved it. And that IK said that a lot of Jets players called him up and supported him. But imo this is not a year to give Geno another try out. It's a year we can compete. And who knows what players won't be on this team next year. This could be the season to make a run for it. And Fitz gives us our best chance to win not Geno. 

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