Big Reason Fitz is Still Unsigned - Hackenberg

[nyjunc]

53 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The Jets for sure have a 'shot' if Fitz is the QB this year.  You make the playoffs in this league you get hot and you can be a winner, the friggin Giants should have taught us this much.  If we had a real good QB we would have a better shot but this team still does have talent elsewhere to make noise.

so we have a playoff shot w/ a longtime vet QB who has never made the playoffs?

[Larz]

losing fitz and hack sucks = maccagnan fired

 

[Mike135]

2 minutes ago, Larz said:

losing fitz and hack sucks = maccagnan fired

 

Dumping Fitz and Geno playing well = 2nd executive of the year trophy

[Sperm Edwards]

12 minutes ago, Larz said:

losing fitz and hack sucks = maccagnan fired

 

This I agree with. Or he'd be lucky to make it to a make-or-break 2018 anyway. 

[Beerfish]

39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

so we have a playoff shot w/ a longtime vet QB who has never made the playoffs?

Yup.  Because you know what has happened in he past will always happen in he future no matter what.  Just as you know that any team with Sanchez at QB will always get to the AFC title game but never win the super bowl.  Perfectly logical.

[ljr]

33 minutes ago, Mike135 said:

Dumping Fitz and Geno playing well = 2nd executive of the year trophy

Hahahahahahahahahahhaha .... Phewwww, thanks for that brother!

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Macc sees this kid taking over the reigns next season or at worst 2018.  There is no reason to overpay for Fitz when it obvious he is not taking this team anywhere this year and mostly would be a back up next year.

"Yeah but we are win now team".  This is the biggest crock of sh*t and I get so tired of hearing it.  This team is NOT winning a Superbowl and that is the only WIN we should be concerned about.   We are building a nice young core while being to stay competitive with enough quality vets who will be passing the torch over the next few seasons.   

In Hackenberg, we have a bona fide "franchise quarterback" in training.   Anyone who is evaluating him based on what he is doing in OTAs is clueless.   I am so sick of reading about Fitzpatrick and his mediocre ass.  If he signs fine; if not I am fine with Geno for one season and then let the Hackenberg era begin (assuming he wins the job, which I think he will.)

 

"Guys, I have an idea. Stay with me on this. Ready? 'New Coke'. What do you think?"

[joewilly12]

I hope Hackenberg comes out tomorrow at camp in #14 

[Mike135]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

I hope Hackenberg comes out tomorrow at camp in #14 

That'd be awesome, but looking at the OTA schedule, they're off 'til Monday.

[New York Mick]

 For the love of Christ just ******* sign already. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

4 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Yep because I believe it.  I also think Macc believes it as well.  Of course anything is possible, hey maybe Geno leads the team to the Superbowl :-).  I bet some folks on the forum would rather blow their brains out then have that happen lol. 

I hope you are right, but I Will believe it when I see it.

[neckdemon]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

How exactly do you know that to be sure? Because you believe it? 

The other side of the coin is that the best player in the division is suspended for 4 games, this might be the team's best chance for years. 

the best players in the divisions career will not last much longer anyway

[joewilly12]

51 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

 For the love of Christ just ******* sign already. 

No way in hell Goodbye Fitzpatrick 

[Villain The Foe]

5 hours ago, HighPitch said:

one more...this one: F Fitz who the hell does he think he is. Its crazy he is not being offered anything from any other team but he decides to take advantage of us. I pray to the baby jesus that a glennon deal pops up out of nowhere

^^^^^^^^^^

[Gastineau Lives]

6 hours ago, The Crusher said:

yeah I read that and realize I have been using Bona Fide wrong my entire life.

Dexter McDougle is a bona fide bust.

[#27TheDominator]

People that think you will only play if you think you can win a championship are delusional.  It isn't just about championships, it's about competing.  You compete every game, and every play to beat the other ****er.  You try to win every battle. 

[joewilly12]

[Jet Nut]

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

He knows the same way you know that Geno can't do as well as Fitz and keep saying it over and over again.  Because you believe it.

Funny how personal beliefs only count when theyre yours. 

The best chance we had to make the playoffs in years was last year.  

Look, 4 positive reps and a dickhead who's following me negative reping every post.

@Bowlemovement need to grow up already.  You are owned chump. 

[joewilly12]

34 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Why would any fan of this team NEGATIVE rep a picture of a hopefully promising rookie QB's soon to be jersey. 

BowelMovement you are a LOSER dont respond because I have you on IGNORE and I wont be able to read it. 

 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Why would any fan of this team NEGATIVE rep a picture of a hopefully promising rookie QB's soon to be jersey. 

BowelMovement you are a LOSER dont respond because I have you on IGNORE and I wont be able to read it. 

 

Because he's a miserable person who thinks he's making others miserable.  

Hes a child I'm guessing.  No adult would spend the last 24 hours following us around just to put in a net rep. 

[joewilly12]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Because he's a miserable person who thinks he's making others miserable.  

Hes a child I'm guessing.  No adult would spend the last 24 hours following us around just to put in a net rep. 

Is he/she negative repping you too? 

 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Dexter McDougle is a bona fide bust.

Now I'm just totally confused. 

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Is he/she negative repping you too? 

 

Every single post, regardless of what i say.  Like your posts, they all get neg reps. Been going on since yesterday.  

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Now I'm just totally confused. 

I just ******* snorted.

[Powpow]

9 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Yep because I believe it.  I also think Macc believes it as well.  Of course anything is possible, hey maybe Geno leads the team to the Superbowl :-).  I bet some folks on the forum would rather blow their brains out then have that happen lol. 

How you think that's remotely funny is pretty funny.

[Powpow]

40 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Every single post, regardless of what i say.  Like your posts, they all get neg reps. Been going on since yesterday.  

He missed this one. Just so he doesn't feel alone  ehhhh (-)

[NYs Stepchild]

9 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

And we believed geno was the franchise qb.. There aren't too many franchise qbs taken out of the 1st round past these few yrs not named Russell Martin 

I think the plan is to trade a conditional 7th for Russell MArtin and we'll be set for the next 15 years. 

The only problem is if the BlueJays won't let him play two sports. 

[RutgersJetFan]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

Now I'm just totally confused. 

Dying. Like clockwork, this one.

[jetrider]

Possible reason for Jets' hardball tactics vs. Fitzpatrick: $62M Schaub blunder

 

By Charles RobinsonMay 31, 2016 9:19 PMYahoo Sports

 

Nearly four years ago, New York Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan had a front-row seat for a franchise-shaping quarterback mistake.

Maccagnan was on hand when the Houston Texans made an ill-fated commitment to Matt Schaub in 2012. That's something worth considering when it comes to the Jets' hardball deal being offered to quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. There's a lesson to be learned in failure, and Maccagnan got an inside view when Schaub and the Texans cratered. It taught him that a quarterback's broader history matters, and caution should always be weighed against long-term commitment.

In 2012, Maccagnan was the director of college scouting with the Texans. At the time, it was a franchise that had similarities to the 2016 Jets: strong defense, a solid running game and enough skill position pieces on offense to strike an ideal balance. Like Fitzpatrick for the Jets in 2015, Schaub was a reliable cog in the middle of Houston's offense – a 30-something quarterback who was statistically in the top-third in the NFL at his position, despite being dogged by injury and some occasional head-scratching decisions. Like Fitzpatrick's suitability with Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, Schaub was the right fit for head coach Gary Kubiak's offense. Not necessarily an elite NFL quarterback, but a good player in his system.

Entering 2012, Schaub had one year left on his deal. The economics of the NFL demanded a new contract, but there was risk involved. Schaub was coming off a broken foot the previous season, making it the third time in five years that he had missed at least five games as the starting quarterback. He also hadn't won a playoff game (T.J. Yates was the starting QB in the 2011 season's playoff run) and was still prone to bouts of inconsistency. But his overall numbers looked good and team owner Bob McNair believed in him. That was enough to keep the Texans out of the Peyton Manning sweepstakes – and ultimately, enough to push an extension forward.

After the 2012 season opener, Houston made a solid commitment, extending Schaub's deal with a four-year contract guaranteeing $24.75 million in new money and potentially topping out at nearly $62 million. It put Schaub sixth among NFL quarterbacks in average salary, one slot above the San Diego Chargers' Philip Rivers, and one slot below the New England Patriots' Tom Brady. Outside of the paycheck, Schaub wasn't in that class. He appeared to have peaked statistically and his ceiling didn't show indications of going much higher. But in the economics of football and the quarterback position, where fit often dictates deals, it made sense. Schaub's deal was a win-win for both sides.

Until it wasn't.

A little over 18 months after signing that extension, Schaub was traded to the Oakland Raiders in the 2013 offseason. One year after his extension, the wheels came off his career. He inexplicably set an NFL record with four interceptions returned for touchdowns in four straight games and never looked the same again. And he's been a journeyman ever since, spending 2015 with the Baltimore Ravens and signing with the Atlanta Falcons this offseason.

For the Houston Texans, who are still trying to right themselves at quarterback, all of this is a painful reminder of the wrong contract commitment at the wrong time. For Maccagnan, it's likely a piece of information that went into the memory banks. For the Jets, that's probably a good thing where the larger picture is concerned.

And here's the larger picture: When it comes to quarterbacks who are repurposed off the NFL's scrap heap, history tends to repeat itself. One year before the Texans signed Schaub to his regrettable extension, the Buffalo Bills did the same thing … with Ryan Fitzpatrick. A six-year, $59 million extension with $24 million guaranteed. Like Schaub and the Texans, that deal lasted roughly 18 months before the Bills recognized their mistake and cut Fitzpatrick.

That doesn't mean Fitzpatrick is doomed to fail again. It just means the Jets have every reason to approach his negotiations with caution and a tightly clenched checkbook. Maccagnan saw that lesson firsthand with the Texans. And Gailey, the Jets' offensive coordinator, saw it firsthand when he was the head coach of the Bills in 2011.

Multiple league sources have laid out the Jets' offer to Fitzpatrick: three years for $24 million, including $12 million in the first year, and incentives that could add another $12 million in the final two seasons of the deal. All told, Fitzpatrick could earn $36 million over three years, depending on how the incentives are structured.

In a league where Sam Bradford got a two-year deal for $36 million (with $26 million guaranteed) and Brock Osweiler is getting four years and $72 million in Houston (with $37 million guaranteed), the offer to Fitzpatrick isn't even middle-tier starter money. And that's a prickly issue with Fitzpatrick coming off a career year in 2015, with 31 touchdowns and 3,905 passing yards.

Fitzpatrick is a 33-year-old quarterback who has played with six franchises in 11 seasons. For the majority of that career, his best moments were in the middle of the NFL's quarterback pack, and his worst moments were at the bottom of that group. He has a 43-61-1 record as a starter, zero Pro Bowls, and in an era of high-volume passing games has thrown for more than 24 touchdowns one time – last season. The largest portions of his success have all come under Gailey.

From where the Jets are standing, they revived Fitzpatrick's career last season by pairing him with Gailey and giving him the skill position pieces he lacked at other stops in his career. In 11 years, he has earned a shade over $39 million. The Jets are giving him the opportunity to almost double that with another $36 million over three years if he can sustain his level of play from 2015.

And that's the rub in all of this. Maccagnan and the Jets are taking a pragmatic approach to Fitzpatrick. He'll be paid solid money if he can prove he's a solid starter. The Jets are also firm in their belief that it's a deal no other NFL team has offered to this point, as Fitzpatrick's market as a free agent was essentially nonexistent. At the very least, Fitzpatrick's market never came close to exceeding the terms the Jets have already put on the table. If the market says Fitzpatrick is worth an incentive-laden, three-year deal for $36 million, that's what he's worth, even if the deal is only a one-year contract worth $12 million-$15 million guaranteed.

There's no denying a need for the Jets to bring Fitzpatrick back. But need hasn't moved the needle in this negotiation in four months. And the market hasn't emboldened Fitzpatrick, either.

So the Jets will be fine playing hardball all the way to training camp. Maccagnan isn't going to suddenly forget about that ugly Schaub implosion, or Fitzpatrick's extension bottoming out with the Bills. History matters for everyone in this deal. But it goes back a little further than last season, whether Fitzpatrick finds that convenient or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

At this point, Hackenberg is a bad draft pick, nothing more based on his performance in the last two years, if he turns out to be the franchise we will all be thrilled but counting on that would be worse than giving Fitz $50m

If Mac had drafted Lynch he would have some leverage (not a better QB but better leverage) Hack scares nobody except Jets fans 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Powpow said:

He missed this one. Just so he doesn't feel alone  ehhhh (-)

He'll be back.  Must be taking a nap.  Poor baby...

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

At this point, Hackenberg is a bad draft pick, nothing more based on his performance in the last two years, if he turns out to be the franchise we will all be thrilled but counting on that would be worse than giving Fitz $50m

If Mac had drafted Lynch he would have some leverage (not a better QB but better leverage) Hack scares nobody except Jets fans 

This makes no sense.  From being a bad pick to having more leverage.  The impression they make in OTAs and camp can be manipulated to get a short term benefit pretty easily.

short term though 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

This makes no sense.  From being a bad pick to having more leverage.  The impression they make in OTAs and camp can be manipulated to get a short term benefit pretty easily.

short term though 

Hack was projected to be a 2nd-4th round QB, Paxton Lynch was projected as a 1st round QB, hence more leverage

Green glasses on   I agree the OTA angle can help but not as much as production on the field (Hackenburg was bad in the Big10)

 

 

[Powpow]

23 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

He'll be back.  Must be taking a nap.  Poor baby...

incorrigible like Geno

[Powpow]

47 minutes ago, jetrider said:

Possible reason for Jets' hardball tactics vs. Fitzpatrick: $62M Schaub blunder

 

By Charles RobinsonMay 31, 2016 9:19 PMYahoo Sports

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whats the point?  this article is meaningless.   Mac is in a win win win situation.   If he signs Fitz and he has a great year, Mac looks great. If Fitz is average, Mac still looks good for the effort to field a team with the best chance to win. If Fitz fizzles or doesn't sign, Mac still looks great - 'I tried'.  If Geno starts and bombs as the result of no Fitz, then Mac still looks good because hey its Geno.  If Geno plays 'decent' Mac looks good for riding out the storm.  He really can't lose here so this 'article' is bogus.  Mac isn't offering anywhere near the insane amount Flynn or Schaub or Osweiller received.