Jet Nut Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 On June 20, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Warfish said: Not even close. His teams consistently disappointing outside 1998, and while he did change the franchises course from the previous era of doom, he also butt****ed us in a whole myriad of ways after his early premature departure, a departure that ensured the greatest (cheatingest) coach of all time went to our rival instead of staying here. Best and worst personified in one man, no doubt about it. Parcells biggest contribution was changing the culture that Coslet, Carrol & Kotite help creat here. Even with his GM mistakes, he was trying to rush together a winner for a dying old man and came close in year two. Who knows what year 3 could been with a healthy Vinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 20 hours ago, peekskill68 said: I'm trying to decide which was worse, Kotite drafting Kyle Brady over Sapp or Lou's team fight song... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxQAyww0vRc Alex Van Dyke over Marvin Harrison and TO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Alex Van Dyke over Marvin Harrison and TO Harrison was drafted before Van Dyke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Kotite and Herm for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 23 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Ok thats fair, but to say he is the worst coach in Jets history make no sense. He will go down as just another HC that tried and ultimately failed to get the Jets to win the SB. Just another nobody in Jets lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said: Kotite and Herm for me Herm is Lombardi compared to Holtz, Winner and Coslet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 23 hours ago, nyjunc said: the same things he is being praised for now he was being bashed for back then. He didn't get a fair shot with us. I agree with that. He was young, inexperienced but energetic. The losing streak to end the season was bad but to replace him with Kotite was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 On June 20, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Warfish said: He didn't fail. He went 8-8, and then was prematurely fired. Wrongfully, in my opinion. He wasnt 8-8. His team collapsed and then quit. They finished at 6-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 17 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: I agree with that. He was young, inexperienced but energetic. The losing streak to end the season was bad but to replace him with Kotite was a joke. the one time hess actually does something and he feels the need to fire Carroll b/c he has to have Kotite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Just now, Jet Nut said: He wasnt 8-8. His team collapsed and then quit. They finished at 6-10 Read posts please. Already covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Herm is Lombardi compared to Holtz, Winner and Coslet. No way. Coslett was better than hermy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 On 6/20/2016 at 11:37 AM, Kleckineau said: Rex Ryan was clearly the worst followed by Kotite although Bowels has a chance at the list if he keeps getting outcoached by Ryan. Sammy Baugh, Walt Michaels and Weeb were the best. Rich Kotite was above all the worst. He may actually have the worst coaching record over his last three seasons (including his last in Philly) in NFL history. Next on the list is Lou Holtz who didn't even have the nads to finish his only season. I consider Joe Walton a very bad coach, worse even than Coslet who was let down by a vastly overrated GM (Dick Steinberg) who never really made a hard push for Brett Favre. The Jets have had few good coaches and I think Bowles may turn out to be the best of the bunch. Weeb had a few good seasons but was under .500 even with Namath, so even though he led the team to a SB championship I don't think he was a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, HighPitch said: No way. Coslett was better than hermy! Nope. They were both awful but at least Herm made the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, billo83 said: Nope. They were both awful but at least Herm made the playoffs Thats because he played to win the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 On 6/20/2016 at 9:45 AM, Warfish said: Which is why the coaches before he got here, Coslet and Kotite, deserve to be on the list. They vastly under performed their talent. Todd Bowled turned a pathetic and sad 4-12 team into a 10-6 team. No one would call him one of our greatest Coaches if he went 12-4 next year (no title) and then 7-9 then quit, leaving us in cap hell with a ton of over the hill players while pushing his future HOF Coach Assistant to the Phins, say. The Parcells idol worship is one of the worst things about being a Jets Fan. Bill took a team vastly better than it's record indicated, spent a billion dollars on old free agents to bolster it, and had one solid turnaround year (that could have been better), one truly great year and one very disappointing year. "Change the culture" is a Fan term. What it usually means is "he won more than the last guy". I hear Bowles "changed the culture" from Rex too... Horrific GM is more apt. he sold the Jets future out for his little run, and the shockwaves of his bad contracts and worse drafting were something we lived with for quite some time. The fact we managed to be good ~50% of the time post-Parcells is more on the Coaches and GM's after Parcells, not Parcells "changing the culture". He mishandled something that led, directly, to a future HOF, Multi-Super-Bowl-Winning, Possible GOAT Head Coach going to our northern rival. No amount of "culture change" nor a single fun 12-4 season can make up for that. For that flash, we've suffered more than a decade of our Division being "The Pats and those other guys with no chance". That's on Bill and Bill alone. Bill was a very good Coach with some very obvious flaws, who was a very short-timer here, and left us in a horrible position when he quit like the quitter he is. Considering the mandate from Leon Hess was that he wanted a winner, NOW, before he died, I don't think you can blame Parcells entirely for trying to give him a winner. I believe had Parcells intended to stay longer than a few years, the course of his GM-ship would have been much different. I don't fault him for bringing in the vets that he did to try to win a SB. Had we done that, nobody would be saying a word about how bad a GM he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, billo83 said: Nope. They were both awful but at least Herm made the playoffs Herm was a good HC for us and both made the playoffs though Coslet made it at 8-8 and didn't win a playoff game while Herm won 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said: Rich Kotite was above all the worst. He may actually have the worst coaching record over his last three seasons (including his last in Philly) in NFL history. Next on the list is Lou Holtz who didn't even have the nads to finish his only season. I consider Joe Walton a very bad coach, worse even than Coslet who was let down by a vastly overrated GM (Dick Steinberg) who never really made a hard push for Brett Favre. The Jets have had few good coaches and I think Bowles may turn out to be the best of the bunch. Weeb had a few good seasons but was under .500 even with Namath, so even though he led the team to a SB championship I don't think he was a great coach. Weeb built the team from nothing, got the ring. He was then saddled with a QB was hurt a lot, and then the team got old. It happens. They had a nice 3 year run there. While I wish we had Farve, if he partied out of Atlanta, he would have drank himself to death in NY, especially since we didn't have a coach that could contain him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Herm is Lombardi compared to Holtz, Winner and Coslet. I don't recall any of them backing their kicker up, in the worst kicking stadium in the league, like Vermin did. That puts him near the top of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, shevys said: I don't recall any of them backing their kicker up, in the worst kicking stadium in the league, like Vermin did. That puts him near the top of my list. that excuse is so tired. that stadium was only a couple of years old, through the years that stadium has been no worse to kick in than any other. Brien had missed from47 by inches, if he kicks it the same way from 43 they win. he didn't, he shanked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, nyjunc said: that excuse is so tired. that stadium was only a couple of years old, through the years that stadium has been no worse to kick in than any other. Brien had missed from47 by inches, if he kicks it the same way from 43 they win. he didn't, he shanked it. He shanked it. It was new, but notoriously hard to kick in. At that time, I don't think anyone had made a 50 yarder yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, chirorob said: He shanked it. It was new, but notoriously hard to kick in. At that time, I don't think anyone had made a 50 yarder yet a week later into the same EZ Vinatieri kicked a near 50 yarder. there weren't many attempts in that EZ through the first few years, the bottom line is he missed two makable kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: a week later into the same EZ Vinatieri kicked a near 50 yarder. there weren't many attempts in that EZ through the first few years, the bottom line is he missed two makable kicks. He choked. No 2 ways about it, the first one wasn't a choke, he just missed by a bit. Second, total choke job. Herm could have run Curtis and tried to make it a 38 yard attempt instead of a 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 On 6/21/2016 at 5:03 AM, Smashmouth said: Joe Walton had teams absolutely loaded with talent and he basically did nothing with them. Walton had the best O line in the NFL, the Best D-line in the NFL (NY Sack Exchange) great WR's (Toon Walker, Gaffney) and a money RB (McNeil) who played great in the post season and backed up by Johnny Hector with a great 3rd down back/Kick returner in Bruce Harper and a Pro Bowl TE (Mickey Shuler) Ken Obrien was a good QB with a great arm but he was a statue and that may have been the weakness of the team but he had a great year in 86 a year we might have won the SB if not for a rash of injuries. Walton had talented teams his entire time coaching here and did nothing. Not only did Walton accomplish nothing, but he drove the team downward while the HC. Not sure that makes him the worst, compared to the likes of Kotite, but he certainly deserves consideration as the most frustrating, given the factors you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 He didn't fail. He went 8-8, and then was prematurely fired. Wrongfully, in my opinion. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, chirorob said: He choked. No 2 ways about it, the first one wasn't a choke, he just missed by a bit. Second, total choke job. Herm could have run Curtis and tried to make it a 38 yard attempt instead of a 43. he could have, I didn't like taking a knee but the K has to make the kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Mangini never won a playoff game and many think he was a good HC.. Mangini took over a 4-12 team, goes 10-6 and the playoffs his first year, and then gets fired for going 9-7. Rex rode Mangini's coat tails to 2 AFCCG appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: Mangini took over a 4-12 team, goes 10-6 and the playoffs his first year, and then gets fired for going 9-7. Rex rode Mangini's coat tails to 2 AFCCG appearances. He got fired going 9-7 after going 4-12 his 2nd year and needed a HOF QB to get to that 9-7 ..Meanwhile the QB he dumped took a 1-15 team to 11-5 and the playoffs beating out the Brady-less Pats.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 He got fired going 9-7 after going 4-12 his 2nd year and needed a HOF QB to get to that 9-7 ..Meanwhile the QB he dumped took a 1-15 team to 11-5 and the playoffs beating out the Brady-less Pats.. Mangini's only mistake as HC of the NYJ's was acting like BB's mini-me without the respect. Huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 belicheat all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 33 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Mangini took over a 4-12 team, goes 10-6 and the playoffs his first year, and then gets fired for going 9-7. Rex rode Mangini's coat tails to 2 AFCCG appearances. we were 4-12 b/c we had a million injuries including playing a 4th string QB much of that season. that was an easy turnaround and he did a nice job year one but year 2 we were back to 4-12. year 3 w/ a creampuff sched, a HOF QB and no Brady he couldn't even make the playoffs while rex led mostly the same group w/ a rookie QB to the AFC Championship Game. 15 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Mangini's only mistake as HC of the NYJ's was acting like BB's mini-me without the respect. Huge mistake. that was a big mistake of his, the BB act only works when you have a Tom Brady to win for you. if not you wear out your welcome w/ fans and the media quickly like BB did in Cle and was starting to do in NE pre Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 that was a big mistake of his, the BB act only works when you have a Tom Brady to win for you. if not you wear out your welcome w/ fans and the media quickly like BB did in Cle and was starting to do in NE pre Brady. Absolutely agree. When BB went to Cleveland, he thought he could deal with the media/fans as Parcell's mini-me. You can't pull that crap unless you are walking around with Super Bowl rings on your finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Absolutely agree. When BB went to Cleveland, he thought he could deal with the media/fans as Parcell's mini-me. You can't pull that crap unless you are walking around with Super Bowl rings on your finger. I have always said I think mangini can be a good NFL coach if he stops the BB imitation. players see through that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 48 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Mangini's only mistake as HC of the NYJ's was acting like BB's mini-me without the respect. Huge mistake. You used to call him Ratgini so that wasn't his only mistake according to you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: Mangini's only mistake as HC of the NYJ's was acting like BB's mini-me without the respect. Huge mistake. I've met players who were on that team. They HATED him. You don't need the players to like you, but they should respect you, and can't hate you. To a man, they hated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Eric Mangini is a steaming pile of dung of a coach, which is why he's once again unemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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