Jump to content

Taking money out of the equation, Fitz or Geno


BowlesMovement
 Share

Taking money out of the equation, Fitz or Geno?  

73 members have voted

  1. 1. Money not a part of your consideration

    • Fitz
      44
    • Geno
      29


Recommended Posts

Cool, another Geno or Fitz poll.  So much has changed since the 12 other Geno or Fitz polls. 

But hey, if your guy doesn't win, wait a week or two and put up another one, these are so helpful

  • Upvote 3
  • Thumb Down 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Outside the echo chamber of the forum, there is no real debate on this question.  Fitz > Geno, and only Jets Fans (and only a portion of them) think otherwise.

If money isn't a factor, there is no question.  But money IS a factor, and that cannot be ignored or minimized.

Fitz, at the end of the day, is (IMO) being unreasonable in his demands.  A reasonable request, and he's already signed and this endless debate could end.

At least till Fitz sh*ts the bed after getting paid and the "told you so" folks rise up as they always do.

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Yeah, I agree. Money IS a huge factor here, so ignoring it seems silly. The other thing is, if money was NOT a factor then the obvious answer is BOTH. Carry 4 QBs or cut Petty.  

Yes, Fitz>Geno, right now.

But I think the reason there are a lot of Jets fans out there, including me, that want to see Geno get a chance is because they witnessed the way the previous administration (jets brass) bungled his development from day one. Starting him his rookie season even though he OBVIOUSLY wasn't ready coming from a spread system. Giving him ZERO weapons to work with. Coaching instability (new O-coordinators). Not recognizing that he is a kid that needed to mature mentally before being the leader of a football team, etc., etc., etc. And you can say that I am making up excuses for him all you want, but frankly, these are GOOD excuses. Any young QB that needs development will fail- or at least look really bad- if he is handled so poorly by coaching and management.    

They also know that Geno has shown promise and 'flashes'. The combination of that and now having a year to sit and learn the system, with a MUCH better offense around him and some coaching consistency suggests that Geno can and even SHOULD be better than Fitz this year.   

The other factor which makes me hesitant to sign FItz is that, if we do, he will be handed the starting job on a silver platter. And again, that has to do with $$$. Geno will not even get a shot, regardless of how well he does in camp or pre-season.  

A fair and even handed post.  You're right, I do think they are excuses, honestly, but good post none-the-less.

If the decision were truly clear-cut, we wouldn't have 1,000 threads on it.  With all factors included, it really is 6 of one, half a dozen of another, and either/or could both be complete "flame-out-bad-ending" decisions.

Peyton Manning in his prime isn't an option, sadly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Peyton Manning in his prime isn't an option, sadly.

But how do we know that Geno is not the equivalent? Do we know for sure how Manning would have done if he was the Jets QB in 13/14? No, so its very possible that Geno IS as good as Manning in his prime. Logic!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

the only reason I voted geno is that this is his final year on a rookie contract and we have no idea what he can do with a descent offense around him.

i know he sucked in 2013 & 2014 but with those teams who could have shined. as i have said before i'm not excited about either fritz or geno but lets find out what we have or don.t have.

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Cool, another Geno or Fitz poll.  So much has changed since the 12 other Geno or Fitz polls. 

But hey, if your guy doesn't win, wait a week or two and put up another one, these are so helpful

Dude, what else are we gonna talk about on the Friday before the long weekend and the month before training camp? Nothing's going on here at work and I can't surf porn at my desk, or my boss will catch me and pull a Belichik by shouting "do your damn job!" 

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Warfish said:

Outside the echo chamber of the forum, there is no real debate on this question.  Fitz > Geno, and only Jets Fans (and only a portion of them) think otherwise.

If money isn't a factor, there is no question.  But money IS a factor, and that cannot be ignored or minimized.

Fitz, at the end of the day, is (IMO) being unreasonable in his demands.  A reasonable request, and he's already signed and this endless debate could end.

At least till Fitz sh*ts the bed after getting paid and the "told you so" folks rise up as they always do.

The ex players on NFLN pretty much to a man wanted Geno, said you know what you have with Fitz and it has been proven after all these years that it isnt good enough.  

Time to see what Geno can do, has more physical talent and is on the roster.  So not seeing the outside of the echo chamber of the forum being the case.

Adding money to the equation makes it worse for Fitz

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, JiF said:

Absolutely.  It's a win/win situation.  You can finally see what you have in him, playing with an actual NFL roster and being developed by actual NFL coaches.  If he rises to the occasion, it's a win.  If he sucks and the Jets win 4 games, Deshaun Watson here we come!!!!  win/win

Or you can waste your time with Fitz, maybe win 8 games, sit at #16 in the draft to find the best available defensive lineman and then next offseason we can debate who the QB should be in 2017.  It's sure been a ton of fun this offseason!!!!

 

Well we have a diff in opinion on that. I'm not for giving up on promising seasons after a good year. And it's not just about the Qb position, we have a good team. Our offense was the best it's been in years and I'm not for trading down on that or giving tryouts to someone who isn't our BAP. There is no win win with Geno. He's the backup and that's what the HC and the players want and the vast majority of Jets fans. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As NFL training camp approaches and the Ryan Fitzpatrick situation remains unresolved, Jets WR Brandon Marshall wants Geno Smith to be ready to step into a starter role.

"Eventually he's going to get a shot," Marshall said Wednesday. "That could be this year. It could be in camp. It could be next year."

Smith was projected to be the Jets starter last season after being the Jets starting quarterback 29 out of 32 games his first two years in New York. However, a locker room fight with then-Jet IK Enemkpali that resulted in a fractured jaw put Smith on the injured reserve list. Fitzpatrick would take his place and go on to set the Jets franchise record for touchdown passes, and Smith has not started an NFL game since.

If Fitzpatrick's contract situation with the Jets is not resolved by the first week of the season, all indications are that Geno Smith will return to the starting quarterback position for the Jets.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, JiF said:

Absolutely.  It's a win/win situation.  You can finally see what you have in him, playing with an actual NFL roster and being developed by actual NFL coaches.  If he rises to the occasion, it's a win.  If he sucks and the Jets win 4 games, Deshaun Watson here we come!!!!  win/win

Or you can waste your time with Fitz, maybe win 8 games, sit at #16 in the draft to find the best available defensive lineman and then next offseason we can debate who the QB should be in 2017.  It's sure been a ton of fun this offseason!!!!

 

First off, 4 wins does not guarantee Watson, its quite possible someone wins less.

Second off, this team is not going to win only 4 games regardless of who the QB is. The downside, barring tons of injuries, is 6-7 wins. No way that gets a top 3 pick, let alone top 1 pick.

Third off, Watson is not a QB I would tank for. He is very talented, he can throw the ball, and he can run, but he is not a can't miss, tank type QB.

Fourth, wasn't Rex your guy? How was Geno not developed by actual NFL coaches if Rex was your guy?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, JiF said:

Absolutely.  It's a win/win situation.  You can finally see what you have in him, playing with an actual NFL roster and being developed by actual NFL coaches.  If he rises to the occasion, it's a win.  If he sucks and the Jets win 4 games, Deshaun Watson here we come!!!!  win/win

Or you can waste your time with Fitz, maybe win 8 games, sit at #16 in the draft to find the best available defensive lineman and then next offseason we can debate who the QB should be in 2017.  It's sure been a ton of fun this offseason!!!!

 

Fitz has choked in big games his entire career.. Why nobody is fighting for him.. Some fans would rather " just miss " the playoffs every year.. I'm sure colts are still really disappointed coming in last a few years ago, and being rewarded Andrew luck as a result

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, slats said:

Hypotheticals are fun, but the real question is whether Fitzpatrick is worth $15M guaranteed more than Geno or not.  

I re-read the opening post twice. That's not the question.

Since we're on the topic though... Hypotheticals will be the central thesis for Geno's Hall of Fame induction speech.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Well we have a diff in opinion on that. I'm not for giving up on promising seasons after a good year. And it's not just about the Qb position, we have a good team. Our offense was the best it's been in years and I'm not for trading down on that or giving tryouts to someone who isn't our BAP. There is no win win with Geno. He's the backup and that's what the HC and the players want and the vast majority of Jets fans 

I would say we clearly differ.  haha  And that's cool.  I ultimately think you get your wish and Fitz returns at some point.  And when he does, I'll be upset with the Jets decision but I'll hope for the best.  He's a passionate guy and I respect the way he plays.  I just dont think him starting is in the best interest for the team. 

The Jets got their best offense production in 20 years and couldnt take advantage of it.  They had a top 10 defense and top 10 offense, played a historically easy schedule and still missed the playoffs because they couldnt beat the HC they fired the year before.  It was the most Jetsy way to choke ever and you think that's promising?  

 

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

First off, 4 wins does not guarantee Watson, its quite possible someone wins less.

Second off, this team is not going to win only 4 games regardless of who the QB is. The downside, barring tons of injuries, is 6-7 wins. No way that gets a top 3 pick, let alone top 1 pick.

Third off, Watson is not a QB I would tank for. He is very talented, he can throw the ball, and he can run, but he is not a can't miss, tank type QB.

Fourth, wasn't Rex your guy? How was Geno not developed by actual NFL coaches if Rex was your guy?

2 teams won 3 and 2 teams won 4 games last year. Those teams were the worst teams in the league.  The Jets supposedly were willing to trade up to #1 or 2 this season, I assume 4 wins makes that type of trade more manageable, if not the top 3.  The teams that will be picking that high, all have the QB position covered with young prospects, believe it or not (sans Cleveland unless you consider RG3 a young prospect or maybe a team looking to replace a vet early).  So, I'd say it makes it a damn good probability.

Well thats weird you see the downside 6 wins.  The way people make Geno out, you'd think it would be much lower.

Watson is definitely a QB I would tank for and take my chances.  I think he's pretty damn close to a cant miss.  He checks all the boxes.  #1 dual threat QB coming out of High School and he's proved he can do it all.  It will be fun to see how he handles the expectations.

Yep!  I loved Rex but I dont think he really had a ton to do with the offense and Marty was straight poopoo. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

50 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Fitz has choked in big games his entire career.. Why nobody is fighting for him.. Some fans would rather " just miss " the playoffs every year.. I'm sure colts are still really disappointed coming in last a few years ago, and being rewarded Andrew luck as a result

Pretty much.  You're not winning the SB with Fitz.  You're not unseating the Pats either.  He's proved he cant even make the wildcard game when everything is working in his favor. He's a journeyman for a reason. He's not signed for a reason.  That why I just dont see the reason to waste your time.  I'd rather see Geno fail miserably and get a look at all the kids rather than go 8-8 with Fitz.  I do think there's a slight chance Geno can turn it around and personally that chance of hope is just a much more appealing.

 

 

  • Upvote 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Rangers9 said:

When some of you say you want Geno to start just because you want to see what he can do for one last time means you are willing to sacrifice 2016 as a tryout year for Geno. 

I seriously doubt whether Fitz can take us to the promised land (the post season).  If I'm correct then Geno give us the better shot.  We also get closure on Geno as well.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

I seriously doubt whether Fitz can take us to the promised land (the post season).  If I'm correct then Geno give us the better shot.  We also get closure on Geno as well.   

 I think we go for it this season. We came within one play of making the playoffs. And 3 teams with worse or the same records made the playoffs last season. We might even be a better team in 2016 if we can stay healthy. I don't think you need an elite franchise Qb to go to the playoffs and beyond. A capable Qb who knows how to run the offense and at least last season didn't make many mistakes can do the job. I think franchise Qbs anyways are overrated. I mean Andrew Luck had an off season last year but still signed for megabucks. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...