Jets Hater Calls Us Out

[Karam H]

I saw this article today and idk how I feel about it. He literally breaks down why our team will struggle... Do you guys think he's right? I think he makes some good points, but the Fitz thing is just annoying now.

 

The New York Jets Future Doesn’t Look Good

The New York Jets looked like a team on the rise at the start of the 2015 season, they had a new coach and a new GM and the high pick in the 2015 NFL draft.  When the presumptive best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) fell to them with the 6th pick it seemed like things were headed in the right direction.  Added to that was a free agent spending spree by new GM Mike Maccagnan, along with a trade for Brandon Marshall and the Jets were poised to make a playoff run.  A cold day in Buffalo changed all that as the Jets lost to their former coach a second time in 2015 and missed the playoffs for the fifth straight year.

Now the offseason has shown a new light on the Jets and it hasn’t been pretty.  First time GM Maccagnan had never held a post higher than the director of college scouting. The Jets hired Maccagnan in part because of his scouting background in the hopes of changing their draft fortunes which have been poor for many years. Yet aside from the gift of Williams in the first round, the drafts seem mediocre and the management of the Jets roster is precarious at best; lets look at the off season so far.

1. 1. D’Brickashaw Ferguson – The starting left tackle was scheduled to make a little more than $10 million this coming year, which was too much for the Jets.  Even though he had missed only one snap in his career since being drafted in 2006, the Jets chose to play hardball with their most seasoned lineman.  Ferguson was a model teammate who never complained and always suited up for practice and on Sunday. Mike Maccagnan waited until late in the free agency period (after most teams had used their free agent $ on other players) to ask Ferguson to take a huge pay cut.  Maccagnan needed cap space because he used most of money signing free agents in 2015 and figured Ferguson had few options other than to comply.  Ferguson instead retired from football leaving a gaping hole in the Jets line.  With no one on the roster to replace Ferguson, Maccagnan was forced to trade for Ryan Clady from Denver to fill the spot.  Clady is scheduled to make $16 million over two years but has missed two of the last three seasons due to injury.  Maccagnan now has a left tackle making about the same $ as his old player but who has been much less durable and after missing last year his playing ability is unknown.  Plus Maccagnan had to use a fifth round pick to secure Clady (a clear loss of assets), so the whole escapade was a disaster.

• • Muhammad Wilkerson – Is arguably the Jets best player and has been so for the last few years.  He is a stalwart defender and a team leader on a defensive line which is one of the best in football.  The Jets signed him earlier to a 5 year/ $86 million contract which guarantees him $53.5 million over 3 years. Wilkerson now is paid higher than J.J. Watt (which will change as soon as J.J. Watt wants it to) and averages more than $17 million a year. The Jets had been in negotiations with Wilkerson for almost three years and the stalemate had to be disconcerting to other players on the roster. This actually was a good signing; Wilkerson is 26, a standout player and still an ascending talent. The problem is, this gives the Jets two players who make more than $17 million a year and the other is Darrell Revis who is not worth that kind of money and a descending talent.  Also Revis is scheduled to make over $15 million in 2018 and the Jets would accrue $8 million in dead money if they were to cut him. Revis is was a great player but when the Jets needed him most (in the last game of 2015) he was smoked by Sammy Watkins (11 rec/136 yards). Only one other team (KC) has two players making $17 million or more a year and one of them is Alex Smith, who is a QB, and starting QBs have the highest average salary in the NFL. Although signing Wilkerson was a good thing, along with the rest of the high spending on the Jet roster it severely limits what they can do to bring in players as FA this year and next.

• • • Ryan Fitzpatrick- Was the starting Jets QB last season and is adept in running offensive coordinator Chan Gailey’s system.  Fitzpatrick came to the Jets in 2015 from Houston, competition for Geno Smith as the starting QB.  Fitzpatrick was hurt (broken leg) the year before so Geno Smith received the majority of reps in OTA’s and training camp. A punch to the face and a broken jaw derailed Geno’s chances to be the Jets starter and Fitzpatrick took the reins and never looked back. Fitzpatrick was on the last year of his contract and made about $3.5 million in 2015. Maccagnan could (should) have added a year to Fitzpatricks contract when he first came to the Jets, considering he was not even brought in to be the starter the extra year would have been minimal. Now, Fitzpatrick is unsigned and it’s up in the air if he will even be with the team this year. Maccagnan’s neglect of Fitzpatrick has yet another team leader (to other Jet players) seemingly devalued by Jet management.  Problem is that the Jets don’t even have enough cap space left ($3 million) to sign Fitzpatrick without releasing another asset.
    • A brutal early schedule – The Jets play four of six games away from home to start the year, five of six coming against 2015 playoff teams. The only non-playoff team on the early schedule is Buffalo (who they lost to twice in 2015). Games at the Chiefs, home for Seattle, at Pittsburgh, and at Arizona would be a daunting four game stretch for any team, but maybe more so for a team with a question mark at QB and an aging roster.

• The offensive line – Is and has been a weak spot for the Jets for many years, they ranked 26th out of 32 O-lines per PFF in 2015. Nick Mangold is a solid top ten NFL center but is 32 and nearing the end of his career; Clady we discussed already and is an enigma entering training camp with no real replacement should he fail to return to form. James Carpenter was a real bright spot for the Jets at left guard after he came over from Seattle. Last year was his first he played without injury and the Jets will need him to be healthy again because there is little behind him on the depth chart. RG Brian Winters played better in 2015 than in previous years but was still mediocre at best. RT Breno Giacomini was a well below average player last year and really for his entire career. Behind this group there are no players with any real NFL experience and none of those players are highly thought of in the organization. The Jets have spent a scant few assets on their offensive line over the past number of years and it is painfully obvious that this could be a trouble spot in 2016. Maccagnan did trade a 2017 4th round pick to draft S. Carolina tackle Brandon Snell in the 5th round. Sadly, wasting a 2017 pick on a college lineman who was not highly thought of by most scouts is a bandaid attempt and a probable waste of a valuable draft pick, it shows no urgency to correct a glaring weakness. The Jets have been fortunate with few injuries to their O-line in the past few years, this year they may not be so lucky.
• The  NFL draft- I have been very terse in my grading of the Jets drafts for many years (as have many others), something Mike Maccagnan was brought in to rectify. His 2015 draft was better but WR Devin Smith in the 2nd round was a head scratcher, it seemed like a poor allocation of resources (remember the Jets had only won 4 games the previous year).  OT Rob Havenstein or OG A.J. Caan would look really good on this O-line right now. If you wanted defense, ILB Bendardrick McKinney could have learned from David Harris and DE Preston Smith would have been great for years creating QB pressure with 3rd round pick Lorenzo Mauldin. The Jets had already traded for Brandon Marshall and and signed Eric Decker the year before; the need was not there for a WR on a team with a lot of holes. The 2016 draft was as poor a draft as I have seen in some time and will adversely affect the Jets for years to come. This is just my opinion, but I have been scouting and covering the draft for the past 26 years and I struggle to understand the logic of many of these selections.  The Jets picked Darron Lee in the first round and plan on making him an ILB but I just don’t see how. Watching Lee in college, he never played inside and is more of an ankle tackler than a big hitter. He is fast and they may use him as a hybrid type LB, but he was poor in coverage at Ohio State and in many occasions although he made plays, he was not even blocked on the play.  Remember Lee pretty much played on an all-star team at OSU, they were defending national champs and destroyed most teams they played including Notre Dame. The Christian Hackenberg pick was a stunner, he was highly inaccurate in college and many scouts had him as a late round pick or undraftable. This pick (if it doesn’t work out) will be an albatross around the neck of Mike Maccagnan and will eventually lead to his downfall. The 3rd round pick of Jordan Jenkins was curious because the Jets had signed Jarvis Jenkins who is a similar player. Jordan Jenkins seems to be more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB the Jets play, either way he is not the type of player who will put a lot of pressure on the QB, which is something the Jets need. It has been said you need to wait five years to grade a draft but I can assure you there is no silver lining in this dark cloud.  To be honest I was one of the people who heralded the coming of Mike Maccagnan as Jets GM and thought his scouting insights would turn the fortunes of the Jets drafts; I was terribly wrong and I just hope his failures don’t destroy the career of a good man and young coach in Todd Bowles.  Bowles had some hiccups in 2015 (which is to be expected) but overall appears to have the makings of a winner. I believe the Jets will struggle mightily this year and Maccagnan will have a least one more year to change his fortunes, he will have to do a complete 180 degree turnaround if he wishes to accomplish that feat.

• Free Agency- The Jets made some good moves (in the short term) and again some head scratching decisions for their future.  [THE GOOD]  After losing Chris Ivory to Jacksonville (who overpaid) the Jets signed Matt Forte, Khiry Robinson and re-signed Bilal Powell.  All these signings were good moves and the Jets get the services of three capable 3-down back for the cost of what Jacksonville paid for Ivory.  I thought the Jets did a decent job in the UDFA market (better then their draft) by picking up WR Robby Anderson (a speedster from Temple) and WR Jalin Marshall (a punt returner/slot receiver), P Tom Hackett (Utah) and K Ross Martin (Duke); the Jet special teams are near the worst in the NFL in 2015.  [THE BAD]  The Jets signed Jarvis Jenkins to a 2/year $6 million contract with $3 million guaranteed. Jarvis has been pretty much a bust since he was selected 41st overall by Washington in 2011. He has 6 sacks in 59 career games and is also poor against the run. He graded out as the 53rd ranked 3-4 DE out of 57 qualified players in 2016, also this signing negates a possible 4th round compensatory pick the Jets could have received in 2017 as compensation for the Ivory or ‘Snacks’ Harrison signing. Steve McLendon was signed to a $10.5 million, 3 year contract with $4 million guarenteed; McLendon is more of a DT rather than NT so he is questionable to replace ‘Snacks’. Good teams like the Patriots will sign players like these (not in high demand) after June 1st so it does not cancel any possible compensatory picks; had the the Jets done so they would probably had an extra 4th and 5th round pick in 2017.

The Jets are a veteran team that is built to win now although they are not good enough to win now. They have a staunch defense with some overpaid players – Darrell Revis $17 million, David Harris $7.5 million, Buster Skrine $6.5 million  (all contracts fully guaranteed for 2016) and a starting QB in Geno Smith who has has shown little in the past. They have a poor offensive line that is one injury away from disaster with no discernible young replacements in it’s future. Their entire offense in 2016 was built on Ryan Fitzpatrick (unsigned) and his cohesiveness with his receivers, the brute force running of Chris Ivory (gone to FA), the incredible play of Brandon Marshall (maybe 2 years from retirement) and Eric Decker (who had injury issues throughout 2014).  They have no young skilled offensive players ready to take over for the veteran play makers or lineman. Devin Smith is the only young  player with talent on the offensive roster; he is coming off of a severe knee injury and his return (considering speed was his #1 asset) to form is mired in uncertainty. With only $3 million in cap space (not enough to even sign Fitzpatrick), a division ruled by the Patriots (who look as strong as ever), with both Buffalo and Miami getting stronger in the offseason, and a brutal early schedule, the Jets look to take a step back in 2016.

By Craig Sniffen| July 20th, 2016

 

[Karam H]

Comment on the original article so he sees our thoughts. Doubt he'll read this lol

[JoeC36]

The New York Jets Future Doesn’t Look Good

The New York Jets looked like a team on the rise at the start of the 2015 season, they had a new coach and a new GM and the high pick in the 2015 NFL draft.  When the presumptive best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) fell to them with the 6th pick it seemed like things were headed in the right direction.  Added to that was a free agent spending spree by new GM Mike Maccagnan, along with a trade for Brandon Marshall and the Jets were poised to make a playoff run.  A cold day in Buffalo changed all that as the Jets lost to their former coach a second time in 2015 and missed the playoffs for the fifth straight year.

Now the offseason has shown a new light on the Jets and it hasn’t been pretty.  First time GM Maccagnan had never held a post higher than the director of college scouting. The Jets hired Maccagnan in part because of his scouting background in the hopes of changing their draft fortunes which have been poor for many years. Yet aside from the gift of Williams in the first round, the drafts seem mediocre and the management of the Jets roster is precarious at best; lets look at the off season so far.

1. 1. D’Brickashaw Ferguson – The starting left tackle was scheduled to make a little more than $10 million this coming year, which was too much for the Jets.  Even though he had missed only one snap in his career since being drafted in 2006, the Jets chose to play hardball with their most seasoned lineman.  Ferguson was a model teammate who never complained and always suited up for practice and on Sunday. Mike Maccagnan waited until late in the free agency period (after most teams had used their free agent $ on other players) to ask Ferguson to take a huge pay cut.  Maccagnan needed cap space because he used most of money signing free agents in 2015 and figured Ferguson had few options other than to comply.  Ferguson instead retired from football leaving a gaping hole in the Jets line.  With no one on the roster to replace Ferguson, Maccagnan was forced to trade for Ryan Clady from Denver to fill the spot.  Clady is scheduled to make $16 million over two years but has missed two of the last three seasons due to injury.  Maccagnan now has a left tackle making about the same $ as his old player but who has been much less durable and after missing last year his playing ability is unknown.  Plus Maccagnan had to use a fifth round pick to secure Clady (a clear loss of assets), so the whole escapade was a disaster.

• • Muhammad Wilkerson – Is arguably the Jets best player and has been so for the last few years.  He is a stalwart defender and a team leader on a defensive line which is one of the best in football.  The Jets signed him earlier to a 5 year/ $86 million contract which guarantees him $53.5 million over 3 years. Wilkerson now is paid higher than J.J. Watt (which will change as soon as J.J. Watt wants it to) and averages more than $17 million a year. The Jets had been in negotiations with Wilkerson for almost three years and the stalemate had to be disconcerting to other players on the roster. This actually was a good signing; Wilkerson is 26, a standout player and still an ascending talent. The problem is, this gives the Jets two players who make more than $17 million a year and the other is Darrell Revis who is not worth that kind of money and a descending talent.  Also Revis is scheduled to make over $15 million in 2018 and the Jets would accrue $8 million in dead money if they were to cut him. Revis is was a great player but when the Jets needed him most (in the last game of 2015) he was smoked by Sammy Watkins (11 rec/136 yards). Only one other team (KC) has two players making $17 million or more a year and one of them is Alex Smith, who is a QB, and starting QBs have the highest average salary in the NFL. Although signing Wilkerson was a good thing, along with the rest of the high spending on the Jet roster it severely limits what they can do to bring in players as FA this year and next.

• • • Ryan Fitzpatrick- Was the starting Jets QB last season and is adept in running offensive coordinator Chan Gailey’s system.  Fitzpatrick came to the Jets in 2015 from Houston, competition for Geno Smith as the starting QB.  Fitzpatrick was hurt (broken leg) the year before so Geno Smith received the majority of reps in OTA’s and training camp. A punch to the face and a broken jaw derailed Geno’s chances to be the Jets starter and Fitzpatrick took the reins and never looked back. Fitzpatrick was on the last year of his contract and made about $3.5 million in 2015. Maccagnan could (should) have added a year to Fitzpatricks contract when he first came to the Jets, considering he was not even brought in to be the starter the extra year would have been minimal. Now, Fitzpatrick is unsigned and it’s up in the air if he will even be with the team this year. Maccagnan’s neglect of Fitzpatrick has yet another team leader (to other Jet players) seemingly devalued by Jet management.  Problem is that the Jets don’t even have enough cap space left ($3 million) to sign Fitzpatrick without releasing another asset.
    • A brutal early schedule – The Jets play four of six games away from home to start the year, five of six coming against 2015 playoff teams. The only non-playoff team on the early schedule is Buffalo (who they lost to twice in 2015). Games at the Chiefs, home for Seattle, at Pittsburgh, and at Arizona would be a daunting four game stretch for any team, but maybe more so for a team with a question mark at QB and an aging roster.

• The offensive line – Is and has been a weak spot for the Jets for many years, they ranked 26th out of 32 O-lines per PFF in 2015. Nick Mangold is a solid top ten NFL center but is 32 and nearing the end of his career; Clady we discussed already and is an enigma entering training camp with no real replacement should he fail to return to form. James Carpenter was a real bright spot for the Jets at left guard after he came over from Seattle. Last year was his first he played without injury and the Jets will need him to be healthy again because there is little behind him on the depth chart. RG Brian Winters played better in 2015 than in previous years but was still mediocre at best. RT Breno Giacomini was a well below average player last year and really for his entire career. Behind this group there are no players with any real NFL experience and none of those players are highly thought of in the organization. The Jets have spent a scant few assets on their offensive line over the past number of years and it is painfully obvious that this could be a trouble spot in 2016. Maccagnan did trade a 2017 4th round pick to draft S. Carolina tackle Brandon Snell in the 5th round. Sadly, wasting a 2017 pick on a college lineman who was not highly thought of by most scouts is a bandaid attempt and a probable waste of a valuable draft pick, it shows no urgency to correct a glaring weakness. The Jets have been fortunate with few injuries to their O-line in the past few years, this year they may not be so lucky.
• The  NFL draft- I have been very terse in my grading of the Jets drafts for many years (as have many others), something Mike Maccagnan was brought in to rectify. His 2015 draft was better but WR Devin Smith in the 2nd round was a head scratcher, it seemed like a poor allocation of resources (remember the Jets had only won 4 games the previous year).  OT Rob Havenstein or OG A.J. Caan would look really good on this O-line right now. If you wanted defense, ILB Bendardrick McKinney could have learned from David Harris and DE Preston Smith would have been great for years creating QB pressure with 3rd round pick Lorenzo Mauldin. The Jets had already traded for Brandon Marshall and and signed Eric Decker the year before; the need was not there for a WR on a team with a lot of holes. The 2016 draft was as poor a draft as I have seen in some time and will adversely affect the Jets for years to come. This is just my opinion, but I have been scouting and covering the draft for the past 26 years and I struggle to understand the logic of many of these selections.  The Jets picked Darron Lee in the first round and plan on making him an ILB but I just don’t see how. Watching Lee in college, he never played inside and is more of an ankle tackler than a big hitter. He is fast and they may use him as a hybrid type LB, but he was poor in coverage at Ohio State and in many occasions although he made plays, he was not even blocked on the play.  Remember Lee pretty much played on an all-star team at OSU, they were defending national champs and destroyed most teams they played including Notre Dame. The Christian Hackenberg pick was a stunner, he was highly inaccurate in college and many scouts had him as a late round pick or undraftable. This pick (if it doesn’t work out) will be an albatross around the neck of Mike Maccagnan and will eventually lead to his downfall. The 3rd round pick of Jordan Jenkins was curious because the Jets had signed Jarvis Jenkins who is a similar player. Jordan Jenkins seems to be more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB the Jets play, either way he is not the type of player who will put a lot of pressure on the QB, which is something the Jets need. It has been said you need to wait five years to grade a draft but I can assure you there is no silver lining in this dark cloud.  To be honest I was one of the people who heralded the coming of Mike Maccagnan as Jets GM and thought his scouting insights would turn the fortunes of the Jets drafts; I was terribly wrong and I just hope his failures don’t destroy the career of a good man and young coach in Todd Bowles.  Bowles had some hiccups in 2015 (which is to be expected) but overall appears to have the makings of a winner. I believe the Jets will struggle mightily this year and Maccagnan will have a least one more year to change his fortunes, he will have to do a complete 180 degree turnaround if he wishes to accomplish that feat.

• Free Agency- The Jets made some good moves (in the short term) and again some head scratching decisions for their future.  [THE GOOD]  After losing Chris Ivory to Jacksonville (who overpaid) the Jets signed Matt Forte, Khiry Robinson and re-signed Bilal Powell.  All these signings were good moves and the Jets get the services of three capable 3-down back for the cost of what Jacksonville paid for Ivory.  I thought the Jets did a decent job in the UDFA market (better then their draft) by picking up WR Robby Anderson (a speedster from Temple) and WR Jalin Marshall (a punt returner/slot receiver), P Tom Hackett (Utah) and K Ross Martin (Duke); the Jet special teams are near the worst in the NFL in 2015.  [THE BAD]  The Jets signed Jarvis Jenkins to a 2/year $6 million contract with $3 million guaranteed. Jarvis has been pretty much a bust since he was selected 41st overall by Washington in 2011. He has 6 sacks in 59 career games and is also poor against the run. He graded out as the 53rd ranked 3-4 DE out of 57 qualified players in 2016, also this signing negates a possible 4th round compensatory pick the Jets could have received in 2017 as compensation for the Ivory or ‘Snacks’ Harrison signing. Steve McLendon was signed to a $10.5 million, 3 year contract with $4 million guarenteed; McLendon is more of a DT rather than NT so he is questionable to replace ‘Snacks’. Good teams like the Patriots will sign players like these (not in high demand) after June 1st so it does not cancel any possible compensatory picks; had the the Jets done so they would probably had an extra 4th and 5th round pick in 2017.

The Jets are a veteran team that is built to win now although they are not good enough to win now. They have a staunch defense with some overpaid players – Darrell Revis $17 million, David Harris $7.5 million, Buster Skrine $6.5 million  (all contracts fully guaranteed for 2016) and a starting QB in Geno Smith who has has shown little in the past. They have a poor offensive line that is one injury away from disaster with no discernible young replacements in it’s future. Their entire offense in 2016 was built on Ryan Fitzpatrick (unsigned) and his cohesiveness with his receivers, the brute force running of Chris Ivory (gone to FA), the incredible play of Brandon Marshall (maybe 2 years from retirement) and Eric Decker (who had injury issues throughout 2014).  They have no young skilled offensive players ready to take over for the veteran play makers or lineman. Devin Smith is the only young  player with talent on the offensive roster; he is coming off of a severe knee injury and his return (considering speed was his #1 asset) to form is mired in uncertainty. With only $3 million in cap space (not enough to even sign Fitzpatrick), a division ruled by the Patriots (who look as strong as ever), with both Buffalo and Miami getting stronger in the offseason, and a brutal early schedule, the Jets look to take a step back in 2016.

By Craig Sniffen| July 20th, 2016|0 Comments

[JoeC36]

11 minutes ago, Karam H said:

I saw this article today and idk how I feel about it. He literally breaks down why our team will struggle... Do you guys think he's right? I think he makes some good points, but the Fitz thing is just annoying now.

http://247nflnews.com/the-new-york-jets-future-doesnt-look-good/

next time please post  the article with the link. thanks

[Maxman]

Thanks Craig.

[The Crusher]

22 minutes ago, Karam H said:

Comment on the original article so he sees our thoughts. Doubt he'll read this lol

Are you trying to say the guy hates the Jets and doesn't post here?  Preposterous.

[RutgersJetFan]

No comments thus far.

[dbatesman]

Zero percent chance "Craig Sniffen" is a real name.

[SAR I]

Thanks to the color scheme, reading that article has left me with zebra-vision for the evening.

As if just returning home from Star Trek wasn't punishment enough.

SAR I

[j4jets]

Skinny please

[Jetster]

Other than a few teams, most teams in this league are built to win today. Almost all of them are tipping precariously over the edge if they suffer injuries (happened to the Pats last year). 

You think the Texans win without Watt wreaking havoc. Watching the Broncos win last year solely on defense with Manning looking like a Mark Sanchez game manager tells me anything can happen.

There are no great teams anymore, the Pats get that nod because of Brady. The schedule does look daunting but this team has enough individual talent to make a play or two to turn a game. It's not out of the question that the defense could get a pick, or a strip sack for a TD for a win. Or that Marshall or Decker don't have a big play, Forte, Powell or Robinson don't have a big run.

This isn't the 2014 team by a long shot. Let's look at him panning draft picks. You can't foresee injury in the Smith case. Plus we don't have the QB yet to utilize his skills. Lee is 100% a Bowles pick! Bowles will be molding him into the Swiss Army knife of his defense. Jenkins was a very solid pick to replace Pace. 

Next years salary cap will be completely different from where they stand right now & if Macc hits on some of these UDFAs he'll have bargain basement players filling the 53 man roster. Not all Olines are built with 1st round picks & the best teams usually have coaching staffs to coach up these young guys. This writer has no clue where Qvale, Harrison or Dozier are with there development.

As for Hackenberg he has a point. He's such a polarizing pick & an complete enigma. Maybe, just maybe we finally see a QB developed properly. He checks off all the boxes, is very young, but most importantly he's very intelligent. That's the asset you can't develop i.e. Geno. You can coach up a QB that's inaccurate because of bad habits. Macc & the scouts obviously went over miles of tape on Hackenberg & saw the potential. He's a complete mystery & for a writer to literally write him off without ever playing an NFL game is ridiculous! The instant bust label for Hackenberg by so many so called experts could turn out to be just another example that the NFL draft is a crapshoot if he turns into a capable NFL QB. Remember one thing about this new NFL, QBs that can make quick decisions THRIVE in this offensive driven league with more & more rules to protect these starting QBs.

 

 

[JetsFanatic]

His facts aren't correct, the Wilkerson contract freed up $5.7M, so the Jets actually have about $9M in cap space, not $3M. I also don't agree about Revis not being worth his contract. Despit groin and wrist injuries las year he still was a top CB. Hopefully he will stay healthy this year.  I am expecting a dominate defense this season.

[Lizard King]

He made a few good points on the draft, his point on Furguson also very solid, but expecting Fitz to have taken a cheap one year extension was wishful thinking. They even may have tried that, the author has no idea. Statements like that throw the author's claim as an 26 year expert into total question. 

[Lizard King]

10 hours ago, JoeC36 said:

next time please post  the article with the link. thanks

I've never understood why you guys wouldn't want to be seen by receiving websites as a traffic generator. 

[PatsFanTX]

I also don't agree about Revis not being worth his contract.

Seriously?

Revis is the most overpaid player in the NFL.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

Seriously?

 

Revis is the most overpaid player in the NFL.

I know, real inflating numbers that guy has.

[JetsFanatic]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

Seriously?

 

Revis is the most overpaid player in the NFL.

Don't agree.

[PatsFanTX]

Don't agree.

Fair enough, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Rangers9]

37 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

Seriously?

 

Revis is the most overpaid player in the NFL.

Agree. That he's overpaid. As for most overpaid. Not sure. Maybe Drew Brees. 

[Thor99]

Someone gave MaineJet a job?

[PatsFanTX]

Agree. That he's overpaid. As for most overpaid. Not sure. Maybe Drew Brees. 

Drew Bree's can still win games on his own.

Revis can not do that.

[Rangers9]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

Drew Bree's can still win games on his own.

 

Revis can not do that.

Revis is still very good. On brains alone he's worth probably ten mil per season. But that contract Woody caved in and gave to him on the first day of his free agency is a back breaker. And the reason we have cap problems. Isn't the cap hit on Brees like 30 mil this season.

[slats]

It was right for the Jets to ask Brick to take a pay cut, and he was right to just retire. His play had declined significantly over the last couple years. Ryan Clady only counts $5.5M against the cap this year. If he returns to form, he's a bargain. If he doesn't, he'll either be cut or restructured in 2017. The Jets have a few mid-round picks in the pipeline on the OL that we really just don't know about. 

I can agree on comp pick management, unfortunately. 

Devin Smith is a different kind of receiver than Marshall or Decker, and the Jets WR corps was a nightmare when Maccagnan arrived. Obviously the jury's still out on than selection, but the Jets continue to add fast receivers because they had to. 

The Revis contract was the only one (before Mo) that they were locked into beyond 2017. And while, yes, it's expensive, it's not back-breaking. 

A lot of fans didn't like the Hackenberg pick, either, but I don't recall that he went all that much higher than originally projected. Certainly not 7th round or UDFA projections. Gotta hope Mac is smarter than everyone else here. Not much else to do. 

[Rangers9]

Only 3 mil of Clady's deal is guaranteed. Which I guess means if he can't play in 2016 they will have to pay him that 3 mil. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/04/ryan_clady_contract_how_it_was_reworked_for_jets.html His top amount of money for 2016 is 7.5. He could make 20.5 mil over 2 seasons which is a lot for an O-lineman. It's kind of back loaded so probably it's a one year deal, if they keep him for 2017 he could make up to 13 mil. It's worth it in terms of draft pick compensation. We give them a 5h and get back a 7th. But in a year when we have no cap space to spare that's the key problem. Taking a chance on Clady and potentially losing 3 mil is probably worth the risk. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/ryan-clady/

[naturalscience]

8 hours ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

Seriously?

 

Revis is the most overpaid player in the NFL.

Such a tool.

[HessStation]

19 hours ago, j4jets said:

Skinny please

Somebody else on the Internet has another opinion. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

This is not that bad, he is questioning decisions and tenture of Mac as GM, we have posters (Jets fans) on this site who are much more critical

Summary of "article"

1- Mac was brought in to improve drafts and first two drafts have big questions (shocking?)

• no Oline help, - agree
• WR was not a need (D Smith) - interesting view with hindsight (it rained yesterday does that make me a weatherman?)
• Hack was overdrafted - today I agree, if he starts by 2018 I could be wrong along with the author
• Drafting D that does not fit scheme  (Lee, Jenkins)  - disagree - I think Mac is building a team for Bowles style and we will have to see it play out on the field

he did admit it was too early to judge the drafts but questions what he sees - ok that is his job, he would be an upgrade for the Daily News

He did mention that the Jets have done better with lower rounds and UDFA's - I don't think he gave Mac enough credit there, we are seeing player development and better depth already but guess that could also be credited to coaching staff 

2- Mac Spent too much in FA last year, limited ability this year, signed players early in FA that could have been signed later, possibly losing comp picks, Insulted Brick and forced retirement - ok, maybe some truth here but several points can be argued both ways, for example no credit for saving cap this year and getting a 7th back with Clady deal (maybe Brick was ready to retire, just like he said) 

Revis and Mo contract limit ability to pay a QB - this was BS IMHO we can worry about this when/if we find a QB - I think Revis will have a great year to quiet some of this "over the hill" talk...

The truth is Mac may have made a couple of mistakes as a first time GM but I bet we can find similar mistakes with every team but the SB winner (unless they cheated)

Overall a good post but no real news and there will be no pulitzer prize - fine killing time until camp starts

 

[j4jets]

1 hour ago, HessStation said:

Somebody else on the Internet has another opinion. 

Well that's refreshing for a change. 

[PatsFanTX]

Such a tool.

You think a declining CB is worth $17MM per year?

SOJ.

[BUM-KNEE]

12 hours ago, slats said:

It was right for the Jets to ask Brick to take a pay cut, and he was right to just retire. His play had declined significantly over the last couple years. Ryan Clady only counts $5.5M against the cap this year. If he returns to form, he's a bargain. If he doesn't, he'll either be cut or restructured in 2017. The Jets have a few mid-round picks in the pipeline on the OL that we really just don't know about. 

I can agree on comp pick management, unfortunately. 

Devin Smith is a different kind of receiver than Marshall or Decker, and the Jets WR corps was a nightmare when Maccagnan arrived. Obviously the jury's still out on than selection, but the Jets continue to add fast receivers because they had to. 

The Revis contract was the only one (before Mo) that they were locked into beyond 2017. And while, yes, it's expensive, it's not back-breaking. 

A lot of fans didn't like the Hackenberg pick, either, but I don't recall that he went all that much higher than originally projected. Certainly not 7th round or UDFA projections. Gotta hope Mac is smarter than everyone else here. Not much else to do. 

Zactly my thoughts with the bolded.

Brick was becoming a turnstile, had to do something. Clady (if healthy) isnt a regression from Brick in my opinion, at worst its a push.

 

[naturalscience]

1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

You think a declining CB is worth $17MM per year?

 

SOJ.

I think you're a tool. My opinion of revis is irrelevant to you being a tool. 

[Bronx Jet01]

Revis is better than anything the Pats have in the secondary. And please don't embarrass yourself

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[BurnleyJet]

A total hatchet job from a fake name hack. Rich Cimini must be pissed at the Jets with his "Ghost hack sh*t" theres more holes in that than a Swiss Cheese.

The BS about Jordan Jenkins, and Jarvis Jenkins being the same player, (apart from the same name) one's a 3-4 300 pound 3-4 DE and others a 260 pound 3-4 OLB.

The Lee nonscene also, he's not really a ILB, he's there's to cover and Blitz, he's the Jets Deone Bucannon. 

 

To much other negative stuff on that to comment on. It's all about our QB play, that will determine the season.

[The Crusher]

On July 23, 2016 at 11:28 PM, dbatesman said:

Zero percent chance "Craig Sniffen" is a real name.

Craig B. Sniffen

[drdetroit]

Didn't read!