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3 hours ago, SAR I said:

The gap between the end of the Bengals game and the kickoff of the Bills game is 4 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes.

Rounded off it's 4 days, math guy. 

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4 cups of coffee 4 bagels is another way to look at it. 

SAR I we got this 

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Wow pre-calling the season as toast by week 2 on the third day of training camp. #JetsLife

9/11 - Bengals at Jets 9/15 - Jets at Bills We can have a lot of talk and a lot of speculation, but in the end the Jets season boils down to 4 days.  Week 1, 2 games, all the marbles right t

Yes but that's only 3 games under 1.000.

46 minutes ago, jgb said:

It's why we don't deserve nice things. Just look at the hate in the Curtis Martin: A Football Life thread for all the proof you need.

 

What exactly is your premise here? That in order to be a good fanbase we have to blindly believe in rainbows and unicorns? That it's bad luck to speak honestly and objectively?

Do you boo baseball managers who step on chalk lines too? 

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4 minutes ago, SAR I said:

What exactly is your premise here? That in order to be a good fanbase we have to blindly believe in rainbows and unicorns? That it's bad luck to speak honestly and objectively?

Do you boo baseball managers who step on chalk lines too? 

SAR I

You'll have to do better than resorting to reductio ad absurdum.

But yes, being a good fan does generally mean not taking a dump on that franchise's HOF players.

 

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12 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

4 cups of coffee 4 bagels is another way to look at it. 

SAR I we got this 

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Show me a way to the playoffs that does not involve having to beat 4 of the 7 games against playoff caliber teams.  That would make me feel better.

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11 minutes ago, billybroome said:

I'll argue that and say they won't.

not that this means anything but an interesting fact about our series w/ the bengals.

 

The Jets have never lost to the Bengals in the Meadowlands(whether at the old Stadium or current Stadium).  The last time the Bengals went on the road and beat the Jets was 1981 at Shea Stadium.

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9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

not that this means anything but an interesting fact about our series w/ the bengals.

 

The Jets have never lost to the Bengals in the Meadowlands(whether at the old Stadium or current Stadium).  The last time the Bengals went on the road and beat the Jets was 1981 at Shea Stadium.

I'd say we're due, huh?

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23 hours ago, j4jets said:

Shehawks started 0-2 and then 2-4 last year. They did ok. 0-2 is not the end of the world. 

You guys have gotten your licks on us, i remember a murderous beating were marvin jones had 3 tds and the jets never had a chance. 

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On August 2, 2016 at 9:06 AM, SAR I said:

9/11 - Bengals at Jets

9/15 - Jets at Bills

We can have a lot of talk and a lot of speculation, but in the end the Jets season boils down to 4 days.  Week 1, 2 games, all the marbles right there.

If the Jets go 0-2, lights out.

If the Jets go 1-1, lights out.

If the Jets go 2-0, we're set for a good season.  We'd only have to go 1 game above .500 for the remaining 14 games, one division win, two conference wins, both against wildcard candidates.  Go 8-6 the rest of the way to get to 10-6 and a likely wildcard berth.

Unlike fans of other teams, we are going to know in 4 days whether or not we have a playoff team.  It's sort of cool, actually.

SAR I
 

"We'd only have to go above .500 for the remaining 14 games...."

 

This is the fallacy of the argument because the Jets only had to win one game at the end of last season to make the playoffs.  They didn't.

I could see the 2016 Jets starting off 0-2 and making the playoffs.  I could also see them starting off 2-0 and missing the playoffs (just like they did last year).

We'll know how the Jets are shaping up for the playoffs come January 2017, and likely not before then.

I understand that fans seem to love going down the schedule and assigning W's and L's to each game, likely based on the caliber of that opponent from last season and having zero clue about injuries, overachieving rookies, underachieving stars, etc. as a season progresses.  It's fun but it's about as accurate as a monkey throwing darts at a schedule to select winners.

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3 hours ago, SAR I said:

Show me a way to the playoffs that does not involve having to beat 4 of the 7 games against playoff caliber teams.  That would make me feel better.

SAR I

On any given Sunday SAR I have some faith in your team. 

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On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 11:21 AM, SAR I said:

No.

After the first 2 games, the Jets have 6 games remaining against playoff teams and 8 against non-playoff teams.  We get in by going 2-4 against playoff teams and 6-2 against non-playoff teams.  I believe that is all we are capable of.

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Don't sell this team short we are much more talented than most people think and with a little luck (that all teams need BTW) we can do great things

This team will push 12-4 or 11-5 ... Obviously we need to stay healthy and get a few good bounces and not make some of the same ST mistakes and critical crops and fumbles we mad last year. Once this team gets on a roll watch out ...Keep in mind last year was the first year for this team in both the offensive and defensive systems and we all saw how they competed late in the season when we went on a roll before the Buffalo let down. Great teams avoid those let downs and that IMO is the next step this team needs to take. 

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43 minutes ago, Section 333 said:

How exactly do u go 1 game over .500 over 14 games? 8-6 is 2 over. The only lights out here should be your thread starting abilities. U say the season comes down to the 1st 4? Get a grip. So if we go 1-1 and win the next 2 what's the difference if we go 2-0 and split the next 2? 3-1 either way. Your post makes 0 sense. 

Me thinks the Beemer's exhaust is backing up on him - drop that POS and get a Mazda ...

 

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13 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Don't sell this team short we are much more talented than most people think and with a little luck (that all teams need BTW) we can do great things

This team will push 12-4 or 11-5 ... Obviously we need to stay healthy and get a few good bounces and not make some of the same ST mistakes and critical crops and fumbles we mad last year. Once this team gets on a roll watch out ...Keep in mind last year was the first year for this team in both the offensive and defensive systems and we all saw how they competed late in the season when we went on a roll before the Buffalo let down. Great teams avoid those let downs and that IMO is the next step this team needs to take. 

Dude, if 70% of the teams in the league suck again this year - like last year - then we're golden. People really ignore how bad the whole league was last year.

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2 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

Me thinks the Beemer's exhaust is backing up on him - drop that POS and get a Mazda ...

 

Over a 14 game span 7-7 is a .500 record. 

Over a 14 game span 8-6 is 1 game over 7-7 or 1 game over .500  

Such math.  So statistical.

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2 hours ago, SAR I said:

Over a 14 game span 7-7 is a .500 record. 

Over a 14 game span 8-6 is 1 game over 7-7 or 1 game over .500  

Such math.  So statistical.

SAR I

 

It is impossible to be one game over .500 playing an even number of games (excluding ties). For example, in your scenario, if you lose the next game, you're still over .500 at 8-7. How can you be one game over .500 if you need to lose two games to get to .500? Consequently, and irrefutably, 8-6 is two games over .500. 

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9 hours ago, jgb said:

It is impossible to be one game over .500 playing an even number of games (excluding ties). For example, in your scenario, if you lose the next game, you're still over .500 at 8-7. How can you be one game over .500 if you need to lose two games to get to .500? Consequently, and irrefutably, 8-6 is two games over .500. 

My point in this thread is that if the Jets go 2-0 in the first two games then they only need to be 1 game better than .500 the rest of the way which is very do-able.  We don't have to be some elite AFC team to get to 10 wins.  We just need to win the first two on the schedule and then be a single game better than an average team.

Barring ties, in the NFL, the only way to be 1 game better than 7-7 is to be 8-6.

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21 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

"We'd only have to go above .500 for the remaining 14 games...."

 

This is the fallacy of the argument because the Jets only had to win one game at the end of last season to make the playoffs.  They didn't.

I could see the 2016 Jets starting off 0-2 and making the playoffs.  I could also see them starting off 2-0 and missing the playoffs (just like they did last year).

We'll know how the Jets are shaping up for the playoffs come January 2017, and likely not before then.

I understand that fans seem to love going down the schedule and assigning W's and L's to each game, likely based on the caliber of that opponent from last season and having zero clue about injuries, overachieving rookies, underachieving stars, etc. as a season progresses.  It's fun but it's about as accurate as a monkey throwing darts at a schedule to select winners.

First of all, it's August, there is "fallacy" built-in to any prediction at this time.  All your variables like injuries, age, weather, zodiac signs, etc. are of course baked-in to any fan prediction as "fallacy".

That said, today, August 4, all things being relative to last year's performances and what we know to be our opponents starting lineup's, I stand by my thesis that if the Jets can open 2-0 we are good enough to be a game over .500 in the last 14 and make the playoffs.  Yeah, a blizzard could cost us the Colts game.  Yeah, an earthquake can cost us the 49ers game.  Yeah, injuries to every opposing starting QB on our roster could give us a 14-2 record, but let's talk about how things exist today, I think we need to open 2-0 to make anything of this season.

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13 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Dude, if 70% of the teams in the league suck again this year - like last year - then we're golden. People really ignore how bad the whole league was last year.

Can't speak for everyone else, but for me, I don't ignore how bad the teams we faced last year were.

The issue is that we face most of the exceptional teams very early in the schedule, back-to-back, 4 of 6 on the road, September and October don't feel like cupcakes to me.

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14 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Don't sell this team short we are much more talented than most people think and with a little luck (that all teams need BTW) we can do great things

This team will push 12-4 or 11-5 ... Obviously we need to stay healthy and get a few good bounces and not make some of the same ST mistakes and critical crops and fumbles we mad last year. Once this team gets on a roll watch out ...Keep in mind last year was the first year for this team in both the offensive and defensive systems and we all saw how they competed late in the season when we went on a roll before the Buffalo let down. Great teams avoid those let downs and that IMO is the next step this team needs to take. 

I applaud your optimism, but we have some things working against us.  We know the schedule is very tough early on and at the end.  But we are also razor-thin at certain positions, we still have slow/unproven LB's, our OL hinges on the performance of an oft-injured Clady, we need to pray that another old veteran RB in Forte has another decent season left in him, our TE is a crap shoot, Revis isn't what he used to be, even our kicker is coming off a major injury.

Not to mention, we have a QB who runs too often and with reckless abandon.  Fitzpatrick's irresponsibility won us the Cowboys, Giants, and Patriots games but cost us the Raiders game.  He's one stupid scramble away from a season-ending injury.

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4 hours ago, Rexorcism said:

Wait, wut?

If you play 14 games and there are no ties, the record that provides you with "playing just one game better than a .500 team would" is 8-6.

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58 minutes ago, SAR I said:

My point in this thread is that if the Jets go 2-0 in the first two games then they only need to be 1 game better than .500 the rest of the way which is very do-able.  We don't have to be some elite AFC team to get to 10 wins.  We just need to win the first two on the schedule and then be a single game better than an average team.

Barring ties, in the NFL, the only way to be 1 game better than 7-7 is to be 8-6.

SAR I

Amazing how people can actually find a way to argue with arithmetic here. Down with Common Core!

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5 minutes ago, jgb said:

Amazing how people can actually find a way to argue with arithmetic here. Down with Common Core!

In a 14 game span with no ties, what is the record of a team that finishes with 1 win more than a .500 record?

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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Can't speak for everyone else, but for me, I don't ignore how bad the teams we faced last year were.

The issue is that we face most of the exceptional teams very early in the schedule, back-to-back, 4 of 6 on the road, September and October don't feel like cupcakes to me.

SAR I

The point is, we're not the only team that faced easy teams.

We also won't be the only team to face hard teams. 

To be the best, you have to beat the best. Drubbing these so-called exceptional teams in September and October may spark something special for this year... either way, your assessment that the season could be over so quickly is laughable. Do you watch the NFL, or just the Jets?

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On August 2, 2016 at 0:06 PM, SAR I said:

9/11 - Bengals at Jets

9/15 - Jets at Bills

We can have a lot of talk and a lot of speculation, but in the end the Jets season boils down to 4 days.  Week 1, 2 games, all the marbles right there.

If the Jets go 0-2, lights out.

If the Jets go 1-1, lights out.

If the Jets go 2-0, we're set for a good season.  We'd only have to go 1 game above .500 for the remaining 14 games, one division win, two conference wins, both against wildcard candidates.  Go 8-6 the rest of the way to get to 10-6 and a likely wildcard berth.

Unlike fans of other teams, we are going to know in 4 days whether or not we have a playoff team.  It's sort of cool, actually.

SAR I
 

Do the math: You can't end up 1 game above .500 over 14 games. It will be a miracle if we go 10-6 again

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

The point is, we're not the only team that faced easy teams.

We also won't be the only team to face hard teams. 

To be the best, you have to beat the best. Drubbing these so-called exceptional teams in September and October may spark something special for this year... either way, your assessment that the season could be over so quickly is laughable. Do you watch the NFL, or just the Jets?

We are a 4-12 John Idzik rebuilding project that caught lightning in a bottle with a journeyman quarterback who played out of his mind winning 5 of the last 6 games after Thanksgiving.  This year's edition is relatively flat to last year.  For every Clady, Forte, and Robinson signed there is a Harrison, Ferguson, and Ivory we lost.

All things being equal, we are the same team that marched out on the field last September, there is no answer for Snacks, Clady is historically injured, Revis has lost another step, we're gambling on several rookies, we're praying that the next predictable Fitzpatrick scramble isn't season-ending.  Those are the realities. 

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10 minutes ago, SAR I said:

We are a 4-12 John Idzik rebuilding project that caught lightning in a bottle with a journeyman quarterback who played out of his mind winning 5 of the last 6 games after Thanksgiving.  This year's edition is relatively flat to last year.  For every Clady, Forte, and Robinson signed there is a Harrison, Ferguson, and Ivory we lost.

All things being equal, we are the same team that marched out on the field last September, there is no answer for Snacks, Clady is historically injured, Revis has lost another step, we're gambling on several rookies, we're praying that the next predictable Fitzpatrick scramble isn't season-ending.  Those are the realities. 

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lol, you'll have to do better if you want me to bite

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