Possible Geno Smith VS Bryce Petty battle for the #2 job.

[Lupz27]

Well all off season we argued Fitz VS Geno, like it, or not Fitz is the clear winner, and arguing over it is just a waste, but if you still want to there are plenty of threads to go into, and continue to do so (I am/was in the Geno camp)

But in the past 4 days something IMO has become apparent, Bryce Petty seems to be pushing Geno, and quite possibly making a real run at getting the backup QB gig which would IMO let the Jets cut ties with Geno Smith (something I don't think should happen), keep another player on what for the first time in a long time seems like a very deep talented roster.

There is discussions about this going on in like 4 different threads which none were actually started to discuss this very topic, so I decided to start this thread to move the conversation over here, 1 thread where we can spew our opinions right, or wrong, and if you so choose voice your opinion on what you think is going on, or should happen, might happen ect.

I am of the opinion the Jets coaching staff really does not want G Smith around for some reason, and Petty is giving them a reason to do something I thought might never happen this camp, and that is to cut G Smith which I would not agree with.  Again this is just my opinion.

But something real is happening at Jets camp with these 2, and if you don't think so IMO you are not paying attention.  Have at it boys!

[Villain The Foe]

Petty had a nice game 1 and deserved some reps with the 2's. 

 

Lets see how both men handle it next game. I'll say this, Bowles isnt playing. 

[joewilly12]

[Lupz27]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Petty had a nice game 1 and deserved some reps with the 2's. 

 

Lets see how both men handle it next game. I'll say this, Bowles isnt playing. 

I see little things that are bringing this to light, not just the 1 preseason game, I have already stated in some of our conversations in the other threads that I think there is something to the thinking that this coaching staff just does not want G Smith around, but aging like I said that is just my opinion lol.

[Integrity28]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Petty had a nice game 1 and deserved some reps with the 2's. 

 

Lets see how both men handle it next game. I'll say this, Bowles isnt playing. 

More interested to see how some fans handle it.

Joking aside, this is all good for the Jets. I've said it a ton, QBs are currency. We are overdue to 'hit' on one, if not several. The light seemed to go on for Petty after he had an abysmal 0-fer day at camp. Since then, he's been balling out. 

This is a fun 'problem' to have in preseason, rather than punches, arrests, and holdouts!

 

[Lupz27]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

More interested to see how some fans handle it.

Joking aside, this is all good for the Jets. I've said it a ton, QBs are currency. We are overdue to 'hit' on one, if not several. The light seemed to go on for Petty after he had an abysmal 0-fer day at camp. Since then, he's been balling out. 

This is a fun 'problem' to have in preseason, rather than punches, arrests, and holdouts!

 

I just wish it did not cut into the development of Hack, seeing he isn't getting reps because the coaches have this good problem on their hands.

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I see little things that are bringing this to light, not just the 1 preseason game, I have already stated in some of our conversations in the other threads that I think there is something to the thinking that this coaching staff just does not want G Smith around, but aging like I said that is just my opinion lol.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? What I will say is that Im not going to take away Petty's success by alleging that the coaching staff in some indirect way are trying to "gift" the #2 spot to Petty because they dont want Geno around. 

Petty played surprisingly well, while Geno is still under a magnifying glass by 100% of Jetnation, even his supporters. At the end of the day, this pressure will either give Geno ice-cold veins or it will crush him. If this coaching staff doesnt want him around then he better not lose the #2 spot to Petty "on the field" given that he literally is auditioning for 31 other teams. 

 

Losing to Petty because the coaching staff didnt want you around is alot different than losing to Petty because Petty beat you. 

 

 

[Larz]

bowles;

"There is no competition after one preseason game," Jets coach Todd Bowles said on Saturday.

[Integrity28]

4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I just wish it did not cut into the development of Hack, seeing he isn't getting reps because the coaches have this good problem on their hands.

He's getting his reps after practice, hopefully it's enough for now. I'm glad we don't have all our eggs in one basket.

[Lupz27]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? What I will say is that Im not going to take away Petty's success by alleging that the coaching staff in some indirect way are trying to "gift" the #2 spot to Petty because they dont want Geno around. 

Petty played surprisingly well, while Geno is still under a magnifying glass by 100% of Jetnation, even his supporters. At the end of the day, this pressure will either give Geno ice-cold veins or it will crush him. If this coaching staff doesnt want him around then he better not lose the #2 spot to Petty "on the field" given that he literally is auditioning for 31 other teams. 

 

Losing to Petty because the coaching staff didnt want you around is alot different than losing to Petty because Petty beat you. 

 

 

I also think (yes this is speculation, and an opinion) that something is happening in that locker room with the players, with Geno losing support, and Petty gaining it, not sure if it is football field talent related, or locker room related.

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

More interested to see how some fans handle it.

Joking aside, this is all good for the Jets. I've said it a ton, QBs are currency. We are overdue to 'hit' on one, if not several. The light seemed to go on for Petty after he had an abysmal 0-fer day at camp. Since then, he's been balling out. 

This is a fun 'problem' to have in preseason, rather than punches, arrests, and holdouts!

 

If this is the response we're getting from our back ups then this is welcomed with open arms just for the fact that we have to look beyond this season since Fitz is our placeholder.

I will say that I dont think that Geno has a chance from the media/ fans perspective given the fact that once Jets fans turn on you, you can never redeem yourself and the media is going to go with it for hits. Geno would have to look like Aaron Rogers for this to change, and thats not going to happen. He will make mistakes and he will have success, but his mistakes will be written about and it gets to the point where if you're not able to be comfortable in your own stadium when things go bad it will be hard for him to recover when he has an opponent in front of him and the home crowd boo'ing him. 

 

I really didnt find a problem with Geno's performance but the reaction to his performance shows that Jets followers (fans/media) are simply not going to let this go. Petty has an open lane in that regard. 

[JiFtheOracle]

I'm so torn.  

Who are the cool kids rooting for?  I don't want to be a Petty fan boy if everyone else is pro Geno.  

[Lupz27]

6 minutes ago, Larz said:

bowles;

"There is no competition after one preseason game," Jets coach Todd Bowles said on Saturday.

Bowles seems to change his mind day to day.

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

6 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I also think (yes this is speculation, and an opinion) that something is happening in that locker room with the players, with Geno losing support, and Petty gaining it, not sure if it is football field talent related, or locker room related.

You know, Petty went to Rangers game with Fitz and the crew, not Geno.

Is Bryce Krispies time?!!!???!! 

[Villain The Foe]

9 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I also think (yes this is speculation, and an opinion) that something is happening in that locker room with the players, with Geno losing support, and Petty gaining it, not sure if it is football field talent related, or locker room related.

Probably, probably not. I mean, Geno really didnt have much support to begin with. Its not like he was ever there when they were winning. Geno became a Jet when they decided to purge the team, then they rebuilt it and IK basically gifted it to Fitz and Fitz is making the absolute most out of it. All the while Petty is able to stay in the shadows because he's not Fitz winning and he's not Geno, the guy that the media and fans are publicly crucifying. 

 

It reminds me a bit of when RG3 was going through the motions with the Redskins and his old coach while coming in as a #2 drafted QB. Meanwhile Kirk Cousins had the comfortability of the shadows with absolutely no pressure. 

 

Geno is in a bad spot in that regard, no denying that. 

[Integrity28]

3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

If this is the response we're getting from our back ups then this is welcomed with open arms just for the fact that we have to look beyond this season since Fitz is our placeholder.

I will say that I dont think that Geno has a chance from the media/ fans perspective given the fact that once Jets fans turn on you, you can never redeem yourself and the media is going to go with it for hits. Geno would have to look like Aaron Rogers for this to change, and thats not going to happen. He will make mistakes and he will have success, but his mistakes will be written about and it gets to the point where if you're not able to be comfortable in your own stadium when things go bad it will be hard for him to recover when he has an opponent in front of him and the home crowd boo'ing him. 

 

I really didnt find a problem with Geno's performance but the reaction to his performance shows that Jets followers (fans/media) are simply not going to let this go. Petty has an open lane in that regard. 

So, if Geno fails to live up to the expectations you have for him, it'll be because of fans and media, plus not playing with the first team O (which some people have cited)... Not performance? LOL

Sounds like enablement? Why doesn't Geno have to be accountable for playing poorly? 

Rhetorical question.

 

[Integrity28]

11 minutes ago, JiF said:

I'm so torn.  

Who are the cool kids rooting for?  I don't want to be a Petty fan boy if everyone else is pro Geno.  

I called it when the light went on. Join me...  I am the cooolest.

[RutgersJetFan]

20 minutes ago, Larz said:

bowles;

"There is no competition after one preseason game," Jets coach Todd Bowles said on Saturday.

If anything, I think this is just Bowles not wanting to deal with everything he had to deal with from anointing Fitz at the end of 2015. If you don't create the story then the press won't annoy you about it.

[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Probably, probably not. I mean, Geno really didnt have much support to begin with. Its not like he was ever there when they were winning. Geno became a Jet when they decided to purge the team, then they rebuilt it and IK basically gifted it to Fitz and Fitz is making the absolute most out of it. All the while Petty is able to stay in the shadows because he's not Fitz winning and he's not Geno, the guy that the media and fans are publicly crucifying. 

 

It reminds me a bit of when RG3 was going through the motions with the Redskins and his old coach while coming in as a #2 drafted QB. Meanwhile Kirk Cousins had the comfortability of the shadows with absolutely no pressure. 

 

Geno is in a bad spot in that regard, no denying that. 

Geno in a bad spot?

Bachup QB for Jets is historically the best position on this God forsaken team! 

[SickJetFan]

17 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

If this is the response we're getting from our back ups then this is welcomed with open arms just for the fact that we have to look beyond this season since Fitz is our placeholder.

I will say that I dont think that Geno has a chance from the media/ fans perspective given the fact that once Jets fans turn on you, you can never redeem yourself and the media is going to go with it for hits. Geno would have to look like Aaron Rogers for this to change, and thats not going to happen. He will make mistakes and he will have success, but his mistakes will be written about and it gets to the point where if you're not able to be comfortable in your own stadium when things go bad it will be hard for him to recover when he has an opponent in front of him and the home crowd boo'ing him. 

 

I really didnt find a problem with Geno's performance but the reaction to his performance shows that Jets followers (fans/media) are simply not going to let this go. Petty has an open lane in that regard. 

Maybe he should not have given them the finger?

[Lupz27]

17 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Bowles seems to change his mind day to day.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

If anything, I think this is just Bowles not wanting to deal with everything he had to deal with from anointing Fitz at the end of 2015. If you don't create the story then the press won't annoy you about it.

Bowles actually said the backup job is up for grabs earlier in camp, Now with it looking like Petty is nipping at the heels of Geno I think what you said is correct thou, he sees the sharks circling the water so he decided to keep the chum hidden.

[SickJetFan]

8 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Geno in a bad spot?

Bachup QB for Jets is historically the best position on this God forsaken team! 

I think Geno is going to pull a Cartman on us

 

screw you guys I'm taking my ball and leaving

[Villain The Foe]

19 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

So, if Geno fails to live up to the expectations you have for him, it'll be because of fans and media, plus not playing with the first team O (which some people have cited)... Not performance? LOL

Sounds like enablement? Why doesn't Geno have to be accountable for playing poorly? 

Rhetorical question.

 

You pretty much read into that what you wanted. I've been on this site this weekend stating how I thought "all three QB's played well" and gave specifics on what I thought Geno did well, not just on the scoring drives, but more specifically when plays went bad, such as the botched shotgun hand off and the play when he had to throw the ball in the dirt during that Amaro screen. I dont think there's a need for me to find quotes of mine and show them to you, I think my word is good enough here. 

 

It only sounds like enablement because thats the tint you have on the glasses you're reading through. As for the fans and media, there's no need for me to even go into detail. Im stating the facts, not making excuses for performance. But for the sake of clarifying, im saying that it doesnt matter what Geno does because the majority of what I hear about Geno has nothing to do with football. When you begin to hear about democratic conventions and just another drug dealer, one can pretty much sense that the relationship between player and fan is...for the most part broken. 

 

 

Whats funny is that Geno didnt have a poor game, he simply started the game poorly along with a couple drops from receivers that he had no control over (please dont turn that into me saying im providing excuses. Im stating facts). After starting I believe 1 of 6 with a punt,  he ended 6 of 8 with a TD, a field goal and a nice 61 yard drive in the middle of it all in order to take the lead. 

 

 

 

 

[Villain The Foe]

20 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

Maybe he should not have given them the finger?

Last I heard, "The fans deserved it since they were both acting childish" 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

I heard the boo-birds at Metlife were having a go at Geno as well, was that based on a plays or just in general?

fans did seem to have a big part in Idzik leaving, maybe that adds to the conspiracy theory?

 

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

I heard the boo-birds at Metlife were having a go at Geno at the game on Thursday, was that based on a plays or just in general?

fans did seem to have a big part in Idzik leaving, maybe that adds to the conspiracy theory?

 

They literally boo'ed him on just his second play of the game.

 

I think it was the drop by Marshall. 

[Villain The Foe]

26 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

 

Bowles actually said the backup job is up for grabs earlier in camp, Now with it looking like Petty is nipping at the heels of Geno I think what you said is correct thou, he sees the sharks circling the water so he decided to keep the chum hidden.

Bowles recently said that there is no competition for the #2 spot and that its Geno's. Im not saying that this is true, this could just be political. I bring it up because if you can accept what Bowles said earlier in camp then should you also be able to accept what he just said hours ago? 

 

Just sayin'. I think people are looking into this too deep. Let the play on the field weed out the players and strings. 

[SickJetFan]

8 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Last I heard, "The fans deserved it since they were both acting childish" 

The fans paid to be there and be childish 

what was geno excuse for being childish

[Lupz27]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

Bowles recently said that there is no competition for the #2 spot and that its Geno's. Im not saying that this is true, this could just be political. I bring it up because if you can accept what Bowles said earlier in camp then should you also be able to accept what he just said hours ago? 

 

Just sayin'. I think people are looking into this too deep. Let the play on the field weed out the players and strings. 

No I think Bowles talked out both sides of his mouth, and is keeping this close to the vest now, he does not want another Geno Fitz type distraction, that is my opinion anyways.

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, SickJetFan said:

The fans paid to be there and be childish 

what was geno excuse for being childish

Man, this REALLY explained alot just now. 

 

Im done! lol. 

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

No I think Bowles talked out both sides of his mouth, and is keeping this close to the vest now, he does not want another Geno Fitz type distraction, that is my opinion anyways.

Okay, so you think that he spoke out of both sides of his mouth. My question is, how do you give more credibility to one side (spots are open) and not the other (#2 spot is Geno's)? 

 

Im only trying to show here that people are reaching. They use what they want to use that supports their feelings/perspective yet leaves the rest out. 

[Jet Nut]

There are no long term happy ending scenarios for Geno here.  So obviously would be great if Petty steps up and becomes what they hoped he would become.  

Even better would be a scenario where they both step it up and QB amazingly becomes a position of strength.

I can dream, can't I? 

[Lupz27]

5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Okay, so you think that he spoke out of both sides of his mouth. My question is, how do you give more credibility to one side (spots are open) and not the other (#2 spot is Geno's)? 

 

Im only trying to show here that people are reaching. They use what they want to use that supports their feelings/perspective yet leaves the rest out. 

I give it credibility because Bowles said it, and when he said it he said as of now Geno is #2, so after he said after game Geno is #2 I still think the rest of Bowles statement from the previous thread I quoted holds water because it clearly states " Geno’s here right  now as the number two unless Bryce or Hack have some great games and come along like gang busters, but he’s number two right now but it’s open” so I take it that no neither has wrestled the number 2 job from Geno just yet, BUT it can still be taken from him.

And maybe just maybe in the Jets eyes Petty might be in the beginning stages of coming on like gang busters.

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Lupz27 said:

I give it credibility because Bowles said it, and when he said it he said as of now Geno is #2, so after he said after game Geno is #2 I still think the rest of Bowles statement from the previous thread I quoted holds water because it clearly states " Geno’s here right  now as the number two unless Bryce or Hack have some great games and come along like gang busters, but he’s number two right now but it’s open” so I take it that no neither has wrestled the number 2 job from Geno just yet, BUT it can still be taken from him.

But you just said that you think he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. Bowles just now said that the #2 spot is Geno's. Do you give it credibility because Bowles said it?

[Lupz27]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

But you just said that you think he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. Bowles just now said that the #2 spot is Geno's. Do you give it credibility because Bowles said it?

Yes as of now it is Geno's spot.  But I also think he did not reiterate his previous statements to keep the media at bay, that is my opinion on the situation, maybe saying he is talking out of both sides of his mouth was not the right way to put it.

If you don't think Petty can still wrestle the #2 job from Geno your just not paying attention IMO.