CobraVerde Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yeah he had a big play but this was something I had my eye since last year when he served 4 games. It's one week 2 and his first week back but keep an eye on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I agree. Every year when this guy comes back we play worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Someone should just take him & Mo & Big Cat and please trade them with SF for Cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I think OP is misreading the situation. First, Sheldon is playing a different position this year than last year. Last year he was a straight-up OLB. Bowles switched to a base 4-3 this year and has Sheldon playing weak side DE, where he can manhandle finesse LTs and worry less about containing the edge run. I like it. The Jets game plan tonight was to not sell out for the sack, but instead focus on containing Taylor and making him throw from the pocket. It was a good game plan, they gave up 24 points after adjusting for the Bills defensive TD, which isn't an abomination for a shootout type of game with 2 deep ball TDs on miscues by the secondary. Don't misread it as Sheldon not playing well. Sheldon made a big stop on 4th and 1 tonight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Are you kidding me? Williams might make the pro bowl this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Are you kidding me? Leonard Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. First time watching football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ghost said: Are you kidding me? Leonard Williams? Just now, Jet Nut said: First time watching football? Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that Sheldon is a better 3-technique DT than Leo, but both are so dominant that the difference between the two isn't much. Sheldon is the more adaptable, versatile player and by putting him at weak side DE you get the elite talents of both players on the field at once. I'd say doing that is a "net positive" as opposed to having just Sheldon on the field as the 3 technique, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Why? Because we didnt get 7 sacks? Different QB we faced today, not saying he is better than Dalton by any means, but he is hard to get. Lets see in a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, jetscrazey said: I don't necessarily disagree that Sheldon is a better 3-technique than Leo, but both are so dominant that the difference between the two isn't much. Sheldon is the more adaptable, versatile player and by putting him at weak side DE you get the elite talents of both players on the field at once. I'd say doing that is a "net positive" as opposed to having just Sheldon on the field as the 3 technique, no? I'm just saying Williams should be the more expendable one considering his recent high draft pick and no reported off field stuff artificially raise his value despite him being a being a significantly less gifted player than Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. Yeah. Williams is great but Sheldon is basically a unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: I'm just saying Williams should be the more expendable one considering his recent high draft pick and no reported off field stuff artificially raise his value despite him being a being a significantly less gifted player than Sheldon. "significantly less gifted"? hell no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 31 minutes ago, JetsFan12 said: Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. The fact that doesn't change is Sheldon isn't more explosive or more instinctive. You just like him better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 32 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: The fact that doesn't change is Sheldon isn't more explosive or more instinctive. You just like him better But you admit he's more athletic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, JetsFan12 said: But you admit he's more athletic? No I don't. PAnd I'll bet anything that as soon as LW learns the NFL game there will be no comparison. He bigger, faster, more of a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Yeah. Williams is great but Sheldon is basically a unicorn. Williams can grow into being a very solid player who could possibly make a few pro-bowls. Sheldon with his head on straight is a game changing, defense uplifting talent. And he's only 25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: No I don't. PAnd I'll bet anything that as soon as LW learns the NFL game there will be no comparison. He bigger, faster, more of a threat. There's no way you can say he's faster, and Sheldon is a lot stronger with tons of more agility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 5 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: There's no way you can say he's faster, and Sheldon is a lot stronger with tons of more agility. Yes I can. He's also a better player already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 5 hours ago, Jet Nut said: No I don't. PAnd I'll bet anything that as soon as LW learns the NFL game there will be no comparison. He bigger, faster, more of a threat. Williams is a power player. Richardson is definitely more athletic and explosive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 7 hours ago, jetscrazey said: I think OP is misreading the situation. First, Sheldon is playing a different position this year than last year. Last year he was a straight-up OLB. Bowles switched to a base 4-3 this year and has Sheldon playing weak side DE, where he can manhandle finesse LTs and worry less about containing the edge run. I like it. The Jets game plan tonight was to not sell out for the sack, but instead focus on containing Taylor and making him throw from the pocket. It was a good game plan, they gave up 24 points after adjusting for the Bills defensive TD, which isn't an abomination for a shootout type of game with 2 deep ball TDs on miscues by the secondary. Don't misread it as Sheldon not playing well. Sheldon made a big stop on 4th and 1 tonight too. This. It was all about keeping the lanes closed. We'll get to see the sacks again against pure pocket passers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 7 hours ago, CaliforniaJet said: Why? Because we didnt get 7 sacks? Different QB we faced today, not saying he is better than Dalton by any means, but he is hard to get. Lets see in a couple of weeks. Tons of tackles behind line of scrimmage, QB hurries, and play that should have resulted in sacks if not for Buffalo OL holding (called and uncalled). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Richardson made the play of the game on the 4th and 1.. don't see how we are better without him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, mphtrilogy said: Richardson made the play of the game on the 4th and 1.. don't see how we are better without him there. This. This is a silly thread looking for something to complain about. Hint: the defensive line is not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 It looked like Buffalo kept extra players in to block a lot last night which helped against the Jets pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sheldon aind the Dee Line are definitely not a part of the problem...Stupid thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Jets should consider flipping Sheldon in the off-season for mid to late first round pick. With 2 first round picks we can attack offensive line and QB or secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I hope Sheldon plays great, so we can get a good return when we trade him in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 54 minutes ago, detectivekimble said: Williams is a power player. Richardson is definitely more athletic and explosive. I just don't see it. They're both so athletic. Don't see Richardson having an advantage. Either way he's trying to make the point that Richardson is much better player. Less gifted is what I think he said. And expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, nj meadowlands said: This. This is a silly thread looking for something to complain about. Hint: the defensive line is not it. Yes. I have been down on M Williams, but he certainly came up with a big play on that interception, and it was great as far as I am concerned that it came with him playing man. And Skrine had that nice pass defended in the end zone. But... the secondary on the whole was bad. Not just Revis, how about Miles letting Salas (?) get behind him? Yikes that was awful. And was Pryor even in the game? Well at least M. Williams made that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, Big Blocker said: Yes. I have been down on M Williams, but he certainly came up with a big play on that interception, and it was great as far as I am concerned that it came with him playing man. And Skrine had that nice pass defended in the end zone. But... the secondary on the whole was bad. Not just Revis, how about Miles letting Salas (?) get behind him? Yikes that was awful. And was Pryor even in the game? Well at least M. Williams made that play. The secondary is a completely valid gripe on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmckenna Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. Wow. So, what sports DO you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 No mention of all the holding Buf got away with last night. It was an absurdity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Arguing over which of our two stud DL is better? This thread is getting close to earning a Billy Madison award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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