greenwichjetfan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 10 days between Jets games, and we're about to start the mid-week lull...so hopefully we can get a good discussion going here: When Revis was called out by JR Smith for his poor play the past two weeks, he replied with, "still heading to Canton though[...]". The fact that he was the best in the business for 2 years, elite for about 5 years, and has a super bowl ring - especially in the pass happy NFL with freaks playing the WR position, should get him in; but he'll need at least 3-5 more seasons of above average play to make first-ballot. While his highs have been higher than anyone I've ever seen (or, higher than anyone in NFL history as supported by empirical evidence), his full career has yet to take shape. If the past two weeks are an indication of things to come, and his CB career crumbles quickly and he doesn't adjust and move to safety, I don't see first ballot. A couple of comps: - Champ Bailey never converted to safety, but he had a sustainable and productive career at CB going into his very late 30's. - Charles Woodson eventually did convert to safety as his CB play slid, and actually performed very well there as well, going into his late 30's. So, quite simply, is he a lock for first-ballot HoF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nyjunc Posted September 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2016 100% w/o a doubt. best cover corner ever at his peak, best player in franchise history(not most important, that's namath but no jet dominated his position like Revis). I get that fans are anxious based on some struggles early this year but let's not forget already how great this guy was. Champ wasn't half the CB Revis was Woodson was nowhere near the cover corner Revis was but he was a better ballhawk so he had more highlight plays and then became a really good S. No corbner has ever been a better man to man cover corner than revis in his prime. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JOJOTOWNSELL Posted September 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2016 they already named an island after him so yes 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Not even a question. With how the league continues to restrict CB's ability to defend WR's Revis performance from 2009-2011 was nuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Not even a question. With how the league continues to restrict CB's ability to defend WR's Revis performance from 2009-2011 was nuts 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yes without a doubt. I still say he was way overrated and A Glenn was better. He also goes down as one of my all time least favorite players along with K Wilson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yes. In consideration for CB GOAT, has a ring, will probably transition into being the best FS in the league for a few seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Right now I could go either way on his experience alone but he has so much celebrity around his career as CB that there's no way there isn't enough buzz to get him on the first ballot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 He'll get in but he said not first ballot. Hasn't had that type of career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. 3 of the best years in league history, if not THE best from 2009-2011. the rest of his career he has been a top 3 corner basically every year outside of his rookie year. his stats that matter are incredible, the INts aren't high but his job is to shut down WRs and he has done that better than anyone in league history. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said: Yes without a doubt. I still say he was way overrated and A Glenn was better. He also goes down as one of my all time least favorite players along with K Wilson Aaron Glenn was better? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigRy56 Posted September 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2016 He's a lock first ballot hall of famer. It's not even a question. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. I disagree with some of your reasoning however, I think he is clearly going to Canton but a lock for 1st ballot??? He will get hurt a little by his mercenary approach to the game and may be snubbed his 1st year. Rumor has it he would hold out anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Revis won't even show up at the ceremony unless there is appearance money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Revis won't even show up at the ceremony unless there is appearance money. He will send his mom and the NFL won't let you into the party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 35 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. What if he ever re-signs with the Patriots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What if he ever re-signs with the Patriots? Pats don't sign old, slow and fat CB's. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 48 minutes ago, KRL said: Not even a question. With how the league continues to restrict CB's ability to defend WR's Revis performance from 2009-2011 was nuts I agree that his performance from 09-11 is up there (if not above) the greatest in history. Obviously, if over the next 3-5 years he consistently plays anywhere above average, he's a lock for 1st ballot. However, what about a couple of these hypotheticals: What if, over the next 3-5 years, we see him progressively slip into mediocrity, and then below average play? Are 4 elite seasons and another two above average seasons enough for 1st ballot if the other 4-6 years are average or below average? Or, what if, his last two weeks continue for the entire season, we cut him because he'll cost us 16m against the cap, and he doesn't get the money he's looking for elsewhere and decides to hang them up? He'll have played less than a decade in the NFL, with the final two seasons being average or below average. Is that high watermark of '09-'11 enough for 1st ballot? I don't think it will be if either of those two hypotheticals play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Pats don't sign old, slow and fat CB's. Sure they do. Esp if the Jets are paying all of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 He will if he retires immediately. If he continues to play CB his age will show and detract from being a 1st ballot, but still HOF nonetheless. If he switches to Free Safety, ala Rod and Charles Woodson, he will be more effective as a 30+ year old defensive back w/the ball in front of him and be a 1st ballot HOF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 25 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Pats don't sign old, slow and fat CB's. Except Brandon Browner and Tarrell Brown, right? Different Pats team. That's just the last two seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said: 10 days between Jets games, and we're about to start the mid-week lull...so hopefully we can get a good discussion going here: When Revis was called out by JR Smith for his poor play the past two weeks, he replied with, "still heading to Canton though[...]". The fact that he was the best in the business for 2 years, elite for about 5 years, and has a super bowl ring - especially in the pass happy NFL with freaks playing the WR position, should get him in; but he'll need at least 3-5 more seasons of above average play to make first-ballot. While his highs have been higher than anyone I've ever seen (or, higher than anyone in NFL history as supported by empirical evidence), his full career has yet to take shape. If the past two weeks are an indication of things to come, and his CB career crumbles quickly and he doesn't adjust and move to safety, I don't see first ballot. A couple of comps: - Champ Bailey never converted to safety, but he had a sustainable and productive career at CB going into his very late 30's. - Charles Woodson eventually did convert to safety as his CB play slid, and actually performed very well there as well, going into his late 30's. So, quite simply, is he a lock for first-ballot HoF? Revis will come around. Don't let a bad defensive game plan (AJ Green) and one bad play (Goodwin TD) cloud your judgement. He's still a top 10 CB to say the LEAST and I think he'll finish the year as a top 5...again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said: 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. Its terrible that even after a horrible season last year, he still gave up the lowest completion percentage. I know one guy that shouldn't and probably wouldn't make it on the first-ballot with 4 SB rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: He'll get in but he said not first ballot. Hasn't had that type of career. I agree. His prime wasn't long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 him and Dion are the 2 best ever. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 43 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: I agree that his performance from 09-11 is up there (if not above) the greatest in history. Obviously, if over the next 3-5 years he consistently plays anywhere above average, he's a lock for 1st ballot. However, what about a couple of these hypotheticals: What if, over the next 3-5 years, we see him progressively slip into mediocrity, and then below average play? Are 4 elite seasons and another two above average seasons enough for 1st ballot if the other 4-6 years are average or below average? Or, what if, his last two weeks continue for the entire season, we cut him because he'll cost us 16m against the cap, and he doesn't get the money he's looking for elsewhere and decides to hang them up? He'll have played less than a decade in the NFL, with the final two seasons being average or below average. Is that high watermark of '09-'11 enough for 1st ballot? I don't think it will be if either of those two hypotheticals play out. 3-5 years? I dont see 2 more years if this keeps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I love when people overreact based on a couple plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Revis is still a very good player and I bet he doesn't get beat on a bomb again for the rest of the season. But two in two games is a lot. Other than those two plays as far as I can see he played well. But no more Revis Island. They nave to play to his ability now and improve the scheme if the Jets are going to compete. And Tex it's not exactly as if your secondary is that good. They made Tannehill look great in the second half yesterday. Which is hard to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Its terrible that even after a horrible season last year, he still gave up the lowest completion percentage. I know one guy that shouldn't and probably wouldn't make it on the first-ballot with 4 SB rings. In Revis' last 3 games, QB's have a 128.8 QBR when throwing against him. Nice to see the Jets paying $17MM for that type of outstanding performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: In Revis' last 3 games, QB's have a 128.8 QBR when throwing against him. Nice to see the Jets paying $17MM for that type of outstanding performance. Shut your pie hole before I take out another one of your QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: In Revis' last 3 games, QB's have a 128.8 QBR when throwing against him. Nice to see the Jets paying $17MM for that type of outstanding performance. A 3 game sample size. That's very generous of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 A 3 game sample size. That's very generous of you. In the NFL, you are only as good as your last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: In Revis' last 3 games, QB's have a 128.8 QBR when throwing against him. Nice to see the Jets paying $17MM for that type of outstanding performance. In the last 20+ passing plays, Revis gave up one reception. Its easy to nitpick when you reduce the sample size to garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said: 2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot. Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring. No way he gets in on the first ballot. Worse, the ring is tainted. But it's not 2 good years. It's many good years, and one 'best season of all time' year. Some will argue - fairly - that Deion was as good or better a pure cover corner than Revis, but Revis is so much more of a complete player, with great tackling skills that Deion never had, that I would still put him at the top of the list. If a voter agrees that Revis is the best corner to play the game, and maintained that for, say at least five seasons, I think it's a pretty easy call. But then the HoF voting has never been easy to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 In the last 20+ passing plays, Revis gave up one reception. Its easy to nitpick when you reduce the sample size to garbage. Not my stat. It was in Peter King's MMQB article this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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