Is Revis a lock for first ballot HOF?

[greenwichjetfan]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

ok, so 1999 and 2004 aren't recent.  got it.

Assuming then, that neither is 2005, since you're probably going for 10 years...cuz who goes for 11 as a time period?

In that case, UCONN still owns unc. 

lol. This is becoming too easy...in multiple threads no less.

I'm done.

[PatsFanTX]

unfortunately you are right and technically it was the 1968 season.  I hate when they are called the '69 Jets.

So you are saying it's actually been 48 years and not only 47?

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Assuming then, that neither is 2005, since you're probably going for 10 years...cuz who goes for 11 as a time period?

In that case, UCONN still owns unc. 

lol. This is becoming too easy...in multiple threads no less.

I'm done.

owns? when is the last time UConn beat Carolina?  (I know the answer but something tells me you don't)

1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said:

So you are saying it's been 48 years and not only 47?

[ZachEY]

39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

all you had to say was  "thank you for setting me straight from my silly post".  

Just like the Jets back to back AFC Championship appearances, the victories you claim are unimpressive, and only seen as meaningful accomplishments in your mind..

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Just like the Jets back to back AFC Championship appearances, the victories you claim are unimpressive, and only seen as meaningful accomplishments in your mind..

did you have fun watching those teams?  were you excited to sit in front of your TV and watch your favorite team play for a chance to go to a SB?

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

did you have fun watching those teams?  were you excited to sit in front of your TV and watch your favorite team play for a chance to go to a SB?

So now we judge the success of a franchise on the abstract construct of how happy I am?

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, gEYno said:

So now we judge the success of a franchise on the abstract construct of how happy I am?

why do you watch?

[ZachEY]

Just now, nyjunc said:

why do you watch?

Last year, the Jets lost brutally to the Texans on the road.  I sat at that game with my father, after spending a weekend together in Houston.  This year we're doing the same in Pittsburgh, and I expect a similar result both in the outcome of the game and in the emotional experience.

In both cases, I've had, and expect to have more "fun" and "excitement" than I did watching the championship game losses on television.  As such, and by your standard of measurement, these games are the two biggest accomplishments of this season and last.

[JustInFudge]

I thought it was fun being a game away from the Super Bowl 2 years in a row.  

I prefer that to the typical Jets season.

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Last year, the Jets lost brutally to the Texans on the road.  I sat at that game with my father, after spending a weekend together in Houston.  This year we're doing the same in Pittsburgh, and I expect a similar result both in the outcome of the game and in the emotional experience.

In both cases, I've had, and expect to have more "fun" and "excitement" than I did watching the championship game losses on television.  As such, and by your standard of measurement, these games are the two biggest accomplishments of this season and last.

so you don't care about wins and losses- then why are you bashing the '09/'10 teams?

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

so you don't care about wins and losses- then why are you bashing the '09/'10 teams?

Did my post say I didn't care about wins and losses?

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, gEYno said:

Did my post say I didn't care about wins and losses?

you said you enjoyed getting beat by Houston and expect to get beat by Pitt more than the title games. how else would I take that?

[ZachEY]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

I thought it was fun being a game away from the Super Bowl 2 years in a row.  

I prefer that to the typical Jets season.

As logic follows: Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan, and Mark Sanchez are all great at their jobs.  Just look at all the success they've had since leaving the Jets!

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

you said you enjoyed getting beat by Houston and expect to get beat by Pitt more than the title games. how else would I take that?

No sense in explaining this any further to someone who either doesn't want to get what the obvious point is, or doesn't have the cognitive abilities to get what the obvious point was.  See you next time.

[HessStation]

8 minutes ago, JiF said:

I thought it was fun being a game away from the Super Bowl 2 years in a row.  

I prefer that to the typical Jets season.

It was exciting. I also love offseasons w a top 10 pick.

[nyjunc]

13 minutes ago, gEYno said:

No sense in explaining this any further to someone who either doesn't want to get what the obvious point is, or doesn't have the cognitive abilities to get what the obvious point was.  See you next time.

I loved those runs, I had so much fun as they got as close to a SB as I have ever seen.  I was actually in attendance at the Pitt game.  did the next few years suck? of course but I will forever be grateful for the staff and players that allowed me to enjoy the excitement of those runs. you can choose to bitter all you want, I go the other way.

[PatsFanTX]

I loved those runs, I had so much fun as they got as close to a SB as I have ever seen.  I was actually in attendance at the Pitt game.  did the next few years suck? of course but I will forever be grateful for the staff and players that allowed me to enjoy the excitement of those runs. you can choose to bitter all you want, I go the other way.

What happens if the Jets actually make it to the Super Bowl?

You'll have one of those 4-hour Viagra woodies for the rest of your life.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said:

 

 

What happens if the Jets actually make it to the Super Bowl?

 

You'll have one of those 4-hour Viagra woodies for the rest of your life.

I don't know, I look forward to that some day.  it will be the ultimate in my sporting fan life.  The Jets are my #1 and to see them in a SB would be amazing.  I hope I am alive to see it happen.  It will be even better now than at any point b/c now I have a so old enough to enjoy it with me. 

[JustInFudge]

On 9/19/2016 at 5:33 PM, PatsFanTX said:

That's funny.

Revis was just along for the ride, especially after his poor performance in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

Interesting...you were defending him back then and wanted Brady to restructure to sign Revis. 

 

On 2/3/2015 at 0:56 PM, UnitedWhofans said:

I agree. But he is still not the same player he was with the Jets

On 2/10/2015 at 7:07 AM, PatsFanTX said:

Other than your own opinion, what facts do you have to make that statement?

 

On 2/8/2015 at 7:32 PM, PatsFanTX said:

Brady can easily restructure his contract for the 6th time to sign Revis.

 

[Paradis]

100% he deserves it. Do you know how hard it is to be a good CB in today's NFL - let alone a superstar?? 

Revis reset the bar during his best years and was able to shut down the likes of playmakers like Megatron. He will be role modeled by aspiring corners in HS and College for decades. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

I loved those runs, I had so much fun as they got as close to a SB as I have ever seen.  I was actually in attendance at the Pitt game.  did the next few years suck? of course but I will forever be grateful for the staff and players that allowed me to enjoy the excitement of those runs. you can choose to bitter all you want, I go the other way.

Making two AFC championship games with Sanchez, Rex, and Tannenbaum is literally as far as you can possibly get from winning a super bowl. I'm pretty sure the only reason we drafted Sanchez in the first place is that Rex and Tannenbaum were each banking on him getting the other guy fired first. 

[nyjunc]

10 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Making two AFC championship games with Sanchez, Rex, and Tannenbaum is literally as far as you can possibly get from winning a super bowl. I'm pretty sure the only reason we drafted Sanchez in the first place is that Rex and Tannenbaum were each banking on him getting the other guy fired first. 

of course, Mike hired him in January of 2009 and wanted to draft mark to get him fired in April 2009.

 

[bealeb319]

Yeah he should be a first ballot hall of famer, shame he will have a shiny * next to his superbowl mention though.

[PatsFanTX]

Making two AFC championship games with Sanchez, Rex, and Tannenbaum is literally as far as you can possibly get from winning a super bowl. I'm pretty sure the only reason we drafted Sanchez in the first place is that Rex and Tannenbaum were each banking on him getting the other guy fired first. 

Wow, what an intriguing post.

I feel like I'm sitting on some grassy knoll.

[drdetroit]

4 hours ago, PatsFanTX said:

Good point, it has the same relevancy as 1969.

Well if we just signed Kirk Cousins like you said we should it would be 1969 all over again

[greenwichjetfan]

Bringing this back now that the dust has settled on Revis' future. No longer is it just one or two bad games...he's done.

 

 

So, he was above average for three years ('08,'11,'14), the best in the business for 2 years ('09,'10), hurt in '12, below average last year, and among the worst in the league this year. According to football outsiders, the player with the strongest comparison to Revis' production over the last 3 years is a Fernando Bryant's three years from '05-'07:

Year	Team	Games	Combined Tackles	Tackles	Assisted Tackles	Sacks	Forced Fumbles	Fumble Recoveries	Fumble Return Yards	Interceptions	Interception Return Yards	Yards per Interception Return	Longest Interception Return	Interceptions Returned for Touchdown	Passes Defended
2005	DET	2	8	7	1	0.0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
2006	DET	10	46	36	10	0.0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6
2007	DET	16	69	59	10	0.0	1	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	13

That's f'n disgusting.  

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While Revis' highs have been higher than anyone in NFL history (as supported by empirical evidence), his full career is largely uneven, and he was great for too short a time.

Guys like Champ and Woodson are sure fire HoF because:
- Champ Bailey had a sustained and productive career at CB going into his very late 30's. 
- Charles Woodson eventually did convert to safety as his CB play slid, and actually performed very well there as well, going into his late 30's. 

Add to that the fact that he's basically taking this year off, and I don't think he belongs. He'll probably get in, but I don't think he belongs. I think someone like Bo Jackson (who also had amazing years in a short period of time) belongs more, as his short period of elite productivity was cut short due to injury, and not mailing it in. 

[nyjunc]

how was he below average last year?

 

and yes he's still a lock HOFer, best cover corner to ever play and best player in franchise history.  Revis has had ONE bad season in his career and it's 2016.

 

champ and woodson weren't half the cover corners Revis was.

[detectivekimble]

1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Bringing this back now that the dust has settled on Revis' future. No longer is it just one or two bad games...he's done.

 

 

So, he was above average for three years ('08,'11,'14), the best in the business for 2 years ('09,'10), hurt in '12, below average last year, and among the worst in the league this year. According to football outsiders, the player with the strongest comparison to Revis' production over the last 3 years is a Fernando Bryant's three years from '05-'07:

Year	Team	Games	Combined Tackles	Tackles	Assisted Tackles	Sacks	Forced Fumbles	Fumble Recoveries	Fumble Return Yards	Interceptions	Interception Return Yards	Yards per Interception Return	Longest Interception Return	Interceptions Returned for Touchdown	Passes Defended
2005	DET	2	8	7	1	0.0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
2006	DET	10	46	36	10	0.0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6
2007	DET	16	69	59	10	0.0	1	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	13

That's f'n disgusting.  

====================================================

While Revis' highs have been higher than anyone in NFL history (as supported by empirical evidence), his full career is largely uneven, and he was great for too short a time.

Guys like Champ and Woodson are sure fire HoF because:
- Champ Bailey had a sustained and productive career at CB going into his very late 30's. 
- Charles Woodson eventually did convert to safety as his CB play slid, and actually performed very well there as well, going into his late 30's. 

Add to that the fact that he's basically taking this year off, and I don't think he belongs. He'll probably get in, but I don't think he belongs. I think someone like Bo Jackson (who also had amazing years in a short period of time) belongs more, as his short period of elite productivity was cut short due to injury, and not mailing it in. 

He was the best in the business from 2009-2013.  Yes, he got injured in 2012, but he was really good with the Bucs in 2013, even coming off of that ACL injury.

[Joe W. Namath]

Not good enough for long enough.  He is not getting into the hall of fame.  

[nyjunc]

13 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Not good enough for long enough.  He is not getting into the hall of fame.  

7 PBs, 4 time 1st team all pro.

 

a few others in the Hall:

Mel Blount, 5 PBs, 2 time 1st team AP

Mike Haynes, 9 PBs, 2 time 1st team AP

Darrell Green, 7 PBs, 1 1st team AP

Rod Woodson, 7 PBs as CB, 5 1st team all pro(Revis was a million times better as a cover corner)

Aeneas Williams 8 PBs, 3 time 1st team AP

 

Revis is a lock. best cover corner of all time and did it in this era where all the rules favor the offenses.  the last true shutdown corner

[PCP63]

Up until last year, he was still the best in the game. He wasn't terrible last year. Terrible this year.

[bealeb319]

2 good years do not get you in the HOF on the first ballot.

Also, his stats are terrible (HOF voters love stats) and he will only have 1 Super Bowl ring.

No way he gets in on the first ballot.

They love names more than stats revis is a big name I think he makes it in on the first ballot but we will see

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[BurnleyJet]

Well they way he's going you can forget HOF, let alone first ballot.

I say put #73 in, and Fook Revi$

[Hael]

Yes, without a doubt a HOF.  One of the top 5 best cover corners ever (no he's not better than Deion).  He's better than Woodson and about equal with Bailey in terms of body of  work (better early, but with less longevity).  

Is he first ballot?  Probably should be, but the HOF is finnicky and it depends how many people are logjammed in front of him.  

[Raideraholic]

On December 1, 2016 at 3:40 PM, nyjunc said:

7 PBs, 4 time 1st team all pro.

 

a few others in the Hall:

Mel Blount, 5 PBs, 2 time 1st team AP

Mike Haynes, 9 PBs, 2 time 1st team AP

Darrell Green, 7 PBs, 1 1st team AP

Rod Woodson, 7 PBs as CB, 5 1st team all pro(Revis was a million times better as a cover corner)

Aeneas Williams 8 PBs, 3 time 1st team AP

 

Revis is a lock. best cover corner of all time and did it in this era where all the rules favor the offenses.  the last true shutdown corner

Revis is a hall of fame but he isn't anywhere close to the best cover CB of all time.   Not even in the conversation anymore.    Wouldn't even make anyone top five cb's of all time.  ( didn't do it long enough) 

There was so many more quality Cb's when some of those Cb's played you listed , that to make the all pro team meant more than it did in Revis area.