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My thoughts are, he is who we thought he would be.  My concern is, can he do this all season long and what happens if we break our shiny new toy.  What are the implications if he gets cut next year?  It is terrible to think about but if we run him into the ground, what if there is nothing left for next year?

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Would have been nice to have him years ago as well. This is the down side of trading away a good pick on a 1-dimensional RB like Thomas Jones (and giving him a big bunch of money on top of that). There's no serious look at a RB in the following year's draft, and instead of drafting Forte in round 2 where he would have been sitting right there for us, we used our 2nd (plus our 4th) to trade up for Keller: a TE who couldn't/wouldn't block at all, for a conservative, run-first offense. That we traded away 2 picks to move up in round 3 (3 picks total) on Shonn Greene a year later just makes it that much harder to look back upon.

I remember hearing a pre-draft interview with Forte that April. He seemed like just such a great kid. That he turned into such a super player makes it that much worse. Too bad we tried breaking in a pair of rookie QBs (for all each one's own faults) with non-receiving RBs - Jones, Greene, Ivory - starting. They probably would have been failures anyway, but it couldn't have hurt. It certainly would have been nice to have a true dual-threat RB out there in our championship games, or in any matchup where the running game just keeps getting stuffed.

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1 hour ago, HoustonJet said:

I'm concerned about him getting overused early, injuries etc (see Ivory 2015). Give Powell more carries, he's faster/quicker and a good change of pace.

This.  30+ touches a game is too much and not necessary.  Powell is very capable of doing everything Forte has done so far.

 

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1 minute ago, JiF said:

This.  30+ touches a game is too much and not necessary.  Powell is very capable of doing everything Forte has done so far.

 

Agreed, so you wear the tires off Forte in the 1st half of the season, then do the same to Powell in the 2nd half and maybe have Forte ready again for the playoff run .

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1 hour ago, whodeawhodat said:

My thoughts are, he is who we thought he would be.  My concern is, can he do this all season long and what happens if we break our shiny new toy.  What are the implications if he gets cut next year?  It is terrible to think about but if we run him into the ground, what if there is nothing left for next year?

First of all you can't worry about two weeks from now let alone next year. If he needs a blow I am sure he tells his coach and they get Bilal in there. I am concerned about the Jets depth at RB. But they have experience handling older RB's with Curtis Martin, Thomas Jones, LT etc.. And they worked out all right. I am sure Forte will as well.

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Would have been nice to have him years ago as well. This is the down side of trading away a good pick on a 1-dimensional RB like Thomas Jones (and giving him a big bunch of money on top of that). There's no serious look at a RB in the following year's draft, and instead of drafting Forte in round 2 where he would have been sitting right there for us, we used our 2nd (plus our 4th) to trade up for Keller: a non-blocking TE for a conservative, run-first offense. That we traded away 2 picks to move up in round 3 (3 picks total) on Shonn Greene a year later just makes it that much harder to look back upon.

I remember hearing a pre-draft interview with Forte that April. He seemed like just such a great kid. That he turned into such a super player makes it that much worse. Too bad we tried breaking in a pair of rookie QBs (for all each one's own faults) with non-receiving RBs - Jones, Greene, Ivory - starting. They probably would have been failures anyway, but it couldn't have hurt. It certainly would have been nice to have a true dual-threat RB out there in our championship games, or in any matchup where the running game just keeps getting stuffed.

Jets lead the league in woulda, coulda shoulda where the draft is concerned. What about Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, a pair of SB winning QB's that were there for the taking when the Jets drafted. I go crazy thinking about stuff like that all the way back to Marino, who I think if the Jets had drafted would have won multiple SB's. With Walker and Toon and Shuler as well as Freeman McNeil and Johnny Hector and Brad Baxter the offense would have been unstoppable and not to mention the defense. 

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Forte is fine as the bellcow. He knows how to avoid and absorb the big hits which make him very durable. Barring any injury he can carry the load easily as he has done all of his career. Lots of gas left in that tank.

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9 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

First of all you can't worry about two weeks from now let alone next year. If he needs a blow I am sure he tells his coach and they get Bilal in there. I am concerned about the Jets depth at RB. But they have experience handling older RB's with Curtis Martin, Thomas Jones, LT etc.. And they worked out all right. I am sure Forte will as well.

Who has experience handling CM, TJ and LT?????

I was just asking the question about salary cap, we have some experts on this site.

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27 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Jets lead the league in woulda, coulda shoulda where the draft is concerned. What about Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, a pair of SB winning QB's that were there for the taking when the Jets drafted. I go crazy thinking about stuff like that all the way back to Marino, who I think if the Jets had drafted would have won multiple SB's. With Walker and Toon and Shuler as well as Freeman McNeil and Johnny Hector and Brad Baxter the offense would have been unstoppable and not to mention the defense. 

 

Lol including Baxter in there

either that ... Or Marino going to Jow Walton nose picker coach instead of Don Shula & he wouldn't have even lost one or won any 

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34 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Jets lead the league in woulda, coulda shoulda where the draft is concerned. What about Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, a pair of SB winning QB's that were there for the taking when the Jets drafted. I go crazy thinking about stuff like that all the way back to Marino, who I think if the Jets had drafted would have won multiple SB's. With Walker and Toon and Shuler as well as Freeman McNeil and Johnny Hector and Brad Baxter the offense would have been unstoppable and not to mention the defense. 

And Rob Moore/Terrance Mathis....ugh

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1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said:

Jets lead the league in woulda, coulda shoulda where the draft is concerned. What about Joe Flacco and Russell Wilson, a pair of SB winning QB's that were there for the taking when the Jets drafted. I go crazy thinking about stuff like that all the way back to Marino, who I think if the Jets had drafted would have won multiple SB's. With Walker and Toon and Shuler as well as Freeman McNeil and Johnny Hector and Brad Baxter the offense would have been unstoppable and not to mention the defense. 

Missing out on Russell Wilson was mostly due to foolishly doubling down on a reinvestment in Sanchez. It's a valid gripe, especially since our head scout was (allegedly) so smitten with him that his desire for us to draft Wilson is now the stuff of legends.

Missing out on Joe Flacco was due to our pick being too high, so I can't fault them (even with the result being the disastrous Gholston pick). Even the Ravens weren't touching Flacco with their original pick, and they picked a couple of slots after we did. No one on the planet would have taken Flacco with the 6th pick in the country so it's not the same thing.

Passing up on a player right at the point where his draft value made sense -- that's a pick (or really, non-pick) to regret. O'Brien over Marino. Hill over Jeffery. B.Thomas over Ed Reed. Trading up for DSlob instead of what might have been. Not committing to taking Peyton Manning when we had the #1 pick. These are valid regrets. So is trading for Thomas Jones in 2007 so we pass up on Forte in 2008 (trading our 2nd & 4th to move up for Keller), and then using our 3rd, 4th, and 7th on Greene in 2009. Incidentally, the stage was set for the Thomas Jones trade in the first place because in 2006 we traded our 2007 4th rounder to SF for Kevan Barlow.

Bad acquisitions and bad picks don't exist in a vacuum. These investments influence what the team does in its upcoming future drafts and FA periods.

Anyway my point still stands. Would have been nice to have drafted him in '08.

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2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Missing out on Russell Wilson was mostly due to foolishly doubling down on a reinvestment in Sanchez. It's a valid gripe, especially since our head scout was (allegedly) so smitten with him that his desire for us to draft Wilson is now the stuff of legends.

Missing out on Joe Flacco was due to our pick being too high, so I can't fault them (even with the result being the disastrous Gholston pick). Even the Ravens weren't touching Flacco with their original pick, and they picked a couple of slots after we did. No one on the planet would have taken Flacco with the 6th pick in the country so it's not the same thing.

Passing up on a player right at the point where his draft value made sense -- that's a pick (or really, non-pick) to regret. O'Brien over Marino. Hill over Jeffery. B.Thomas over Ed Reed. Trading up for DSlob instead of what might have been. Not committing to taking Peyton Manning when we had the #1 pick. These are valid regrets. So is trading for Thomas Jones in 2007 so we pass up on Forte in 2008 (trading our 2nd & 4th to move up for Keller), and then using our 3rd, 4th, and 7th on Greene in 2009. Incidentally, the stage was set for the Thomas Jones trade in the first place because in 2006 we traded our 2007 4th rounder to SF for Kevan Barlow.

Bad acquisitions and bad picks don't exist in a vacuum. These investments influence what the team does in its upcoming future drafts and FA periods.

Anyway my point still stands. Would have been nice to have drafted him in '08.

Jet fans hate Bradway, think he was terrible so why do so many believe this story about Russell Wilson?  

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Just now, nyjunc said:

Jet fans hate Bradway, think he was terrible so why do so many believe this story about Russell Wilson?  

What reason do we have to disbelieve it? He was a scout by trade. He made some good picks and some bad picks as a GM. We made some good and some bad (ranging from great to disastrous) as the lead scout under Tannenbaum as well.

But clearly you don't hate him, from your tone. The better question might be why you refer to Jets fans as people other than yourself, as though you're not part of this group. ;) 

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

What reason do we have to disbelieve it? He was a scout by trade. He made some good picks and some bad picks as a GM. We made some good and some bad (ranging from great to disastrous) as the lead scout under Tannenbaum as well.

But clearly you don't hate him, from your tone. The better question might be why you refer to Jets fans as people other than yourself, as though you're not part of this group. ;) 

ha, I think differently.  I don't want to fire/cut/trade everyone when we have a bad game.  Bradway wasn't Ozzie Newsome but he did a good job here, I just find it funny he is bashed beyond belief by our fellow Jet fans then something like this comes out and everyone cites Bradway.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Would have been nice to have him years ago as well. This is the down side of trading away a good pick on a 1-dimensional RB like Thomas Jones (and giving him a big bunch of money on top of that). There's no serious look at a RB in the following year's draft, and instead of drafting Forte in round 2 where he would have been sitting right there for us, we used our 2nd (plus our 4th) to trade up for Keller: a non-blocking TE for a conservative, run-first offense. That we traded away 2 picks to move up in round 3 (3 picks total) on Shonn Greene a year later just makes it that much harder to look back upon.

I remember hearing a pre-draft interview with Forte that April. He seemed like just such a great kid. That he turned into such a super player makes it that much worse. Too bad we tried breaking in a pair of rookie QBs (for all each one's own faults) with non-receiving RBs - Jones, Greene, Ivory - starting. They probably would have been failures anyway, but it couldn't have hurt. It certainly would have been nice to have a true dual-threat RB out there in our championship games, or in any matchup where the running game just keeps getting stuffed.

I guess instead of drafting him, we signed Tomlinson to be our dual threat running back, when he was past his prime. So now we sign Forte when he is past his.... ouch.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Would have been nice to have him years ago as well. This is the down side of trading away a good pick on a 1-dimensional RB like Thomas Jones (and giving him a big bunch of money on top of that). There's no serious look at a RB in the following year's draft, and instead of drafting Forte in round 2 where he would have been sitting right there for us, we used our 2nd (plus our 4th) to trade up for Keller: a non-blocking TE for a conservative, run-first offense. That we traded away 2 picks to move up in round 3 (3 picks total) on Shonn Greene a year later just makes it that much harder to look back upon.

I remember hearing a pre-draft interview with Forte that April. He seemed like just such a great kid. That he turned into such a super player makes it that much worse. Too bad we tried breaking in a pair of rookie QBs (for all each one's own faults) with non-receiving RBs - Jones, Greene, Ivory - starting. They probably would have been failures anyway, but it couldn't have hurt. It certainly would have been nice to have a true dual-threat RB out there in our championship games, or in any matchup where the running game just keeps getting stuffed.

I guess instead of drafting him, we signed Tomlinson to be our dual threat running back, when he was past his prime. So now we sign Forte when he is past his.... ouch.

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

This is football not a knitting class.  Give him the ball all day long. 

And when he's hurt later during our playoff push, with only Bilal, Troymaine Pope, Dominique Williams, and a street free agent as our RB group....what then?

Do what you have to do to win games, sure.  But we can accomplish that mission with a healthy mixture of Powell as well.  Bilal is a more than capable RB2. 

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I would expect to see Powell get more and more touches as the season progresses.  I just hope Forte doesn't end up like LT..  He was great that first month of 2010 then did nothing the rest of the reg season but Greene picked up the slack a bit and LT was fresh for playoffs and he played well in January.

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

This is football not a knitting class.  Give him the ball all day long.  

Hes a much better runner then i thought he was.  Patient and great vision.  Takes what the defense gives him.  Hes awesome.

Chirs Ivorys lament as he fades and gets hurt and slows down at the end of each year.

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4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

What reason do we have to disbelieve it? He was a scout by trade. He made some good picks and some bad picks as a GM. We made some good and some bad (ranging from great to disastrous) as the lead scout under Tannenbaum as well.

But clearly you don't hate him, from your tone. The better question might be why you refer to Jets fans as people other than yourself, as though you're not part of this group. ;) 

Exactly, he made some good picks and bad picks like most scouts do. He was around for quite a few terrible ones though. Trading our first round pick for Doug Jolley and drafting a kicker in the 2nd round. The Robertson trade up. Mark Sanchez and Vernon Gholston at 6 and 5 in back to back years.

 

The Gholston and Sanchez picks set us back so many years. You can’t strikeout in the top 6 in back to back years. Bradway, Tannenbaum, Rex, Mangini, they are all responsible for that.

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