Klecko73isGod Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 One of them is the best bad QB in the NFL and one is the worst good QB in the NFL. I can't decide which is which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Klecko73isGod said: One of them is the best bad QB in the NFL and one is the worst good QB in the NFL. I can't decide which is which. One is a pussy who never takes chances downfield. The other is a Conquering Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 No hate on Fitz but Alex Smith has been to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: One is a pussy who never takes chances downfield. The other is a Conquering Hero. Would you care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 No hate on Fitz but Alex Smith has been to the playoffs. I'll bet that Alex Smith does not have a career .171 winning percentage against teams that are over .500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Would you care to elaborate? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: I'll bet that Alex Smith does not have a career .171 winning percentage against teams that are over .500 Yeah, you're right. His is probably .172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, BallinPB said: No hate on Fitz but Alex Smith has been to the playoffs. Which supports the notion that teams make the playoffs. Individuals do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Smith is the type of QB you want if you are playing a bad team. He's not going to make any stupid mistakes. The problem is he doesn't like taking chances down the field at all. He's a check down king. They had a great comeback win week 1 against SD but I don't trust him to come from behind and win games. Fitz is prone to make more mistakes but he's not afraid to take chances which I feel is essential for a good QB. The problem is his arm strength is limited so he'll get burned. Smith is better but I'm not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Fitz completed more long balls last Thursday than Alex Smith has thrown his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Fitz is the best 'bad QB' and Smith is the worst 'good QB'. Smith was drafted #1 overall. He has led his team to the playoffs and has had solid, steady seasons throughout his career (even though he never REALLY lived up to the #! overall pick selection). Especially after the 2010 season when he started cutting down on his INTs. So he is, for all intensive purposes a 'good QB'. But he is one of the worst good QBs because you can never put the game on his shoulder and ask him to win it for you , he is not a major impact QB, rather a game manager that doesn't take many chances and relies on a good defense, a running game and short passing game. Fitz was drafted in the 7th round. Expectations were never very high. He never really did much until the 2010 season in Buffalo when he threw for 23 TDs and 3,000 yards. But even then he threw 15 INTs. Throughout his time in Buffalo, he threw for a lot of yards, over 20 TDs each season but also threw a ton of INTs. His seasons in Texas and Tenn were not very memorable. I don't think he was ever considered a 'good QB'. It wasn't until he came to the Jets and threw for 31 TDs and 3,905 yrds that people took notice. Even then, his compl. % was under 60 and he threw 15 INTs. He truly is a one of the best 'bad QBs'. Either guy, with a good team around him, can be very successful and even take you to the promised land- IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Neither guy is a Franchise QB. Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'll bet that Alex Smith does not have a career .171 winning percentage against teams that are over .500 I'll bet you'll be banned again in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'll bet you'll be banned again in the near future Doubtful, Max loves his beautiful new RV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Alex Smith is a franchise quarterback. Not because we think so, but because the team he plays for treats him as such. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best bridge quarterback in the league. Alex Smith is a probowl quarterback, a top 100 player, a division winner and has played very well in the playoffs. Its not really a debate if we're talking about this Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Alex Smith is a franchise quarterback. Not because we think so, but because the team he plays for treats him as such. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best bridge quarterback in the league. Alex Smith is a probowl quarterback, a top 100 player, a division winner and has played very well in the playoffs. Its not really a debate if we're talking about this Smith. That's a good post. You are 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 6 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Which supports the notion that teams make the playoffs. Individuals do not. Brady has made the playoffs in every season he has played in, except 2002. QBs have a massive effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, j4jets said: Brady has made the playoffs in every season he has played in. QBs have a massive effect. except 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, nyjunc said: except 2002 Man, what Chad could have been if not for that rotator cuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 7 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: I'll bet that Alex Smith does not have a career .171 winning percentage against teams that are over .500 Even I have to admit that's not an insignificant stat. Of course he played for teams like the Rams and the Bungles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: except 2002 Forgot they missed that year. Interestingly, Brady had a year similar to what Fitz had the previous year. That, of course, was before the Ty Law rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 13 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Man, what Chad could have been if not for that rotator cuff. it's our curse, we finally had a franchise QB and of course he couldn't stay healthy. we also had a dynamic young pass rusher who couldn't stay healthy too. Some day it will all come together for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 except 2002 As a Jets fan, would you take making the playoffs 14 out of 15 years with your starting QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Doubtful, Max loves his beautiful new RV. I say u got 1-4 weeks tops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Even I have to admit that's not an insignificant stat. Of course he played for teams like the Rams and the Bungles. He also has played for the Jets, and that winning percentage has not gone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 36 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Doubtful, Max loves his beautiful new RV. Plus I quit trying to ban people. I'm going with the verbal reprimand from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Plus I quit trying to ban people. I'm going with the verbal reprimand from now on. You might want to send an inter office memo to slats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 23 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: He also has played for the Jets, and that winning percentage has not gone up. He's started 18 games for the Jets. The Jets won 11 of the 18. Then there was the Raiders game when he got injured. He got officially stuck with that L but when he left that game tie score. Then we lost to Cincy by one point when the PK missed 2 easy kicks including a point after. So if you wanted to push the envelope he basically has an 11-5 record unofficially. And in every start with the Jets except for Oakland he kept the team in the game and put them in a position to win. That's not too shabby plus at Houston he was 6-6 in starts coming off of a 2 win season. So I'll take him on my team any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Plus I quit trying to ban people. I'm going with the verbal reprimand from now on. Don't be getting all soft on us now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: You might want to send an inter office memo to slats. I haven't given up banning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I haven't given up banning people. The all seeing eye is deadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 He's started 18 games for the Jets. The Jets won 11 of the 18. He beat one winning team, the Pats JV squad in week 16 last year. If Fitz was as good as you say, don't you think he would have pulled out a win in week 1 versus the Bengals? You have an 11 year history with a journeyman QB who has never sniffed the playoffs. How can you possibly defend his 7-34 record against winning teams??????? Other than your love for Fitz (I swear you are related), I think you are a very good poster on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I haven't given up banning people. Tell me something I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, PatsFanTX said: You might want to send an inter office memo to slats. Dear Slats, please ban Tx, I have tried numerous verbal reprimands and he continues to troll the board and adds nothing, furthermore it's about lunch so Im outta here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 43 minutes ago, Rexorcism said: Don't be getting all soft on us now... You do realize I have the consistency of play-dough right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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