Adoni Beast Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Kizer has all the tools. In the right organization, with patience I think he can become very good. Notre Dame was a mess this year. If he went back to ND with the same coaches and cast, I think his stock would have dropped further next year. He's top 10 this year for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 7:29 AM, no psls said: Just another Geno clone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nonsense. No one is even remotely as bad as that bum. Kizer is the real deal. I am big ND fan and have seen all his games. He would have led the Irish to a bowl game this year but their defense is a joke and Brian Kelly is the worst coach heading a top tier program. He's very raw but has the skillset and the physical attributes to be special. He displays great pocket presence, has a strong arm and can make all the throws. He's tough, fast and is unafraid to throw into small windows. He can extend the play and throws on the run well. If he's there at 5 or 6 when we draft Mac must push the button on this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toua77 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 12/13/2016 at 9:24 PM, drdetroit said: Yeah but he's a qb and the top 3 teams picking (Browns, 49ers and Bears) all need a qb. Browns are drafting him. He's the Notre Dame qb and that carries a lot of weight in the midwest that's part of why the browns traded up for Brady Quinn years ago Don't be so sure of that. I'd bet the house they are going with Garrett. There's already a couple of rumors floating around that they have him graded off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Pass rusher is only 2nd to QB in importance of position. If you have a pick between what you think is a sure thing pass rusher, you take him over a project quarterback who is 50/50 at even becoming a long term starter, let alone a superstar. Browns are taking Garrett or everyone is gonna get fired there next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Can't wait for the 2nd round to roll around, one of these guys has fallen to the early 2nd round and the jets let them go by because we have Hackenburg waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Toua77 said: Don't be so sure of that. I'd bet the house they are going with Garrett. There's already a couple of rumors floating around that they have him graded off the charts. Even if the Browns like Garret they are still going Qb at 1 overall. You cannot sell any fanbase even the Browns fanbase on RG3/Josh McCown. They did see Courtney Brown bust hard just a few years ago as the number 1 pick If Kizer has a good combine or Watson kills it in the College playoffs 1 of them is going first overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toua77 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 On 12/21/2016 at 5:37 PM, drdetroit said: Even if the Browns like Garret they are still going Qb at 1 overall. You cannot sell any fanbase even the Browns fanbase on RG3/Josh McCown. They did see Courtney Brown bust hard just a few years ago as the number 1 pick If Kizer has a good combine or Watson kills it in the College playoffs 1 of them is going first overall They can grab Garrett and still address QB by going after Jimmy G. They have enough assets to get Garoppolo and still get land the best player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Toua77 said: They can grab Garrett and still address QB by going after Jimmy G. They have enough assets to get Garoppolo and still get land the best player in the draft. Or they can sign Geno or Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toua77 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 On 12/23/2016 at 7:14 PM, drdetroit said: Or they can sign Geno or Fitzpatrick LMAO. That guaranteed #1 on the way. Maybe they'll succeed in the reverse 16-0 next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choklits Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here is the problem. A QB that is considered a top pro prospect should be able to lead his team to a winning and successful college season. The following QB's all led their teams to successful college seasons in their final year. Not one of them failed to do so. Brady, Roethlisberger, Dalton, Flacco, Mariotta, Luck, Rivers, Carr, Wentz, Manning, Cousins, Prescott, Ryan, Newton, Brees, Winston, Rodgers, Stafford, Wilson and Palmer!!!! Notre Dame finished this season 4-8. I'm sorry. People have to stop looking at height and weight and combines when they have film and results over years of college football. This kid may indeed be successful but if you can't do it in college against that caliber of player I sure don't want to take the risk that you can be successful against the best in the world. Let another team take the chance. Watson may not have the mechanics but he sure gets the job done and we may be able to get him in round 2 or trade down in round 1 for him and other picks if QB is our #1 priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 11 hours ago, choklits said: Here is the problem. A QB that is considered a top pro prospect should be able to lead his team to a winning and successful college season. The following QB's all led their teams to successful college seasons in their final year. Not one of them failed to do so. Brady, Roethlisberger, Dalton, Flacco, Mariotta, Luck, Rivers, Carr, Wentz, Manning, Cousins, Prescott, Ryan, Newton, Brees, Winston, Rodgers, Stafford, Wilson and Palmer!!!! Notre Dame finished this season 4-8. I'm sorry. People have to stop looking at height and weight and combines when they have film and results over years of college football. This kid may indeed be successful but if you can't do it in college against that caliber of player I sure don't want to take the risk that you can be successful against the best in the world. Let another team take the chance. Watson may not have the mechanics but he sure gets the job done and we may be able to get him in round 2 or trade down in round 1 for him and other picks if QB is our #1 priority A quarterbacks record in college should be the last thing you look at. It has no bearing how good the prospect could be or already is. This is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlemnite1 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 3:08 AM, CrazyCarl40 said: I doubt you've watched every game of his. He is very raw but the talent and arm are there. He just needs more experience, more reps, and to get as far away from Brian Kelly as possible. Sounds like the current bum we have at 3rd string or is it fourth string. We need to lock in on a QB and keep him for the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlemnite1 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 On 9/25/2016 at 2:08 AM, SenorGato said: Seems like this guy is going to be a thing for the 2017 draft if he declares. As far as I can tell, he's the most prototypical QB that might be in the draft at 6'4" 230 with all the pre-req physical tools. Seems the knock will be game experience (only his season season as a starter) and, if this keeps up, I guess his team's W-L record. Mason Rudolph is our future QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Should of stayed in College but with Kelly as his coach the kid probably couldn't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 6:54 AM, CrazyCarl40 said: A quarterbacks record in college should be the last thing you look at. It has no bearing how good the prospect could be or already is. This is nonsense. Agreed. If that was the case Tim Tebow would currently be a top 3 QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choklits Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 12/30/2016 at 7:54 AM, CrazyCarl40 said: A quarterbacks record in college should be the last thing you look at. It has no bearing how good the prospect could be or already is. This is nonsense. Spoken like a true Jet drafter. Please explain to me why the record of a team in a sport that is so heavily dependent on a QB is of no importance to you. What is? His height and weight - Jamarcus Russell? His arm strength - Jay Cutler? It's one thing if we are discussing 8-4, 7-5 or 9-3. But 4-8 with Notre Dame? Sorry. Top QB's that come out of top programs who don't win say more about a QB than combine results. Film over years says more about a QB than combine results. So if his record, unless his teams are losing by scores of 48-42 which is not the case with Kizer, is unimportant to you, please tell me what is? His great intangibles that led his team to 4-8 against opposition that is in no way the equal of the NFL? Deshaun Watson may not have the arm strength or the numbers but he knows how to win, to make his teammates believe and to do so against the best college talent in the country. As for the Tebow comment by thadude, no one is saying mechanics don't come into play or that a team with a winning record automatically has a QB that is NFL caliber. It doesn't work that way. But a QB that is considered a top QB that cannot win at the college level is not a QB that should be drafted in the 1st round. Look up the records of the successful QB's in the game today and make the case for your argument. In fact, over the past 10 years, research the QB's that are top talents in the game today and find enough to make your case. You may find one or two that played for a top college program and couldn't even get their team into a Bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choklits Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 12/18/2016 at 4:35 AM, Powpow said: Nonsense. No one is even remotely as bad as that bum. Kizer is the real deal. I am big ND fan and have seen all his games. He would have led the Irish to a bowl game this year but their defense is a joke and Brian Kelly is the worst coach heading a top tier program. He's very raw but has the skillset and the physical attributes to be special. He displays great pocket presence, has a strong arm and can make all the throws. He's tough, fast and is unafraid to throw into small windows. He can extend the play and throws on the run well. If he's there at 5 or 6 when we draft Mac must push the button on this kid. God forbid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 On 2/27/2017 at 1:33 PM, choklits said: God forbid. You pray to false gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choklits Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Powpow said: You pray to false gods. Maybe so. Been praying for a Super Bowl for 45 years with no response so you may very well be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 12 hours ago, choklits said: Maybe so. Been praying for a Super Bowl for 45 years with no response so you may very well be correct. ???? keep the faith. Prayers are answered eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 NFL comparisons for Kizer: Daniel Jeremiah: Carson Palmer Bucky Brooks: Jameis Winston Lance Zierlein: Steve McNair Interestingly, all three were top 3 picks but McNair and Palmer did not start right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 http://thebiglead.com/2017/03/03/nfl-draft-mitch-trubisky-deshone-kizer-deshaun-watson/ Interesting read here about QBs and height and how it correlates to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Kimberley A. Martin ND QB DeShone Kizer worked out for the #Jets and #Browns already, per @RapSheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 3 hours ago, C Mart said: Kimberley A. Martin ND QB DeShone Kizer worked out for the #Jets and #Browns already, per @RapSheet If the Jets take Kizer with either of their first two picks, then I'll know we are getting a new GM & HC this January. That said, Kizer who probably has a lower ceiling than all the top QBs, may be able to start sooner. Thus confirming what everyone seems to know about Petty/Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Pass, even in the second, pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Kizer is the best QB in this draft. Not saying much but it's true and I liked Wentz last year while hating both Lynch and Goff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On March 24, 2017 at 0:48 PM, Adoni Beast said: Pass, even in the second, pass. You must like mediocrity at the qb position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On March 3, 2017 at 1:03 PM, nyjbuddy said: NFL comparisons for Kizer: Daniel Jeremiah: Carson Palmer Bucky Brooks: Jameis Winston Lance Zierlein: Steve McNair Interestingly, all three were top 3 picks but McNair and Palmer did not start right away. McNair is the most accurate comparison for Kizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, thadude said: McNair is the most accurate comparison for Kizer Kizer is Geno Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 7 hours ago, thadude said: You must like mediocrity at the qb position You think Kizer will be our savior? He needs just as muh time as Hack to potentially reach his ceiling. And idk that either ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 The thing I think the Jets brass will struggle with about taking a QB in the first or even the second is they need impact players now. Not in a year or 2. Every qb in this draft will be a project some more some less. But the Jets have to get players on the field. Bonafide high skill players. Not maybes.. the earliest I see the Jets going qb is 3rd. I'm sure they would like to take a stab at an early round pick at qb but they don't have that luxury this year.Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Lupz27 said: Kizer is Geno Smith I'd love to hear your basis for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 8 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: You think Kizer will be our savior? He needs just as muh time as Hack to potentially reach his ceiling. And idk that either ever will. Savior? Technically any decent NFL qb would be considered our savior so yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, nicg4360 said: The thing I think the Jets brass will struggle with about taking a QB in the first or even the second is they need impact players now. Not in a year or 2. Every qb in this draft will be a project some more some less. But the Jets have to get players on the field. Bonafide high skill players. Not maybes.. the earliest I see the Jets going qb is 3rd. I'm sure they would like to take a stab at an early round pick at qb but they don't have that luxury this year. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app So what would you rather do take another mediocre backup DB or Guard in round 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 On February 27, 2017 at 0:30 PM, choklits said: Spoken like a true Jet drafter. Please explain to me why the record of a team in a sport that is so heavily dependent on a QB is of no importance to you. What is? His height and weight - Jamarcus Russell? His arm strength - Jay Cutler? It's one thing if we are discussing 8-4, 7-5 or 9-3. But 4-8 with Notre Dame? Sorry. Top QB's that come out of top programs who don't win say more about a QB than combine results. Film over years says more about a QB than combine results. So if his record, unless his teams are losing by scores of 48-42 which is not the case with Kizer, is unimportant to you, please tell me what is? His great intangibles that led his team to 4-8 against opposition that is in no way the equal of the NFL? Deshaun Watson may not have the arm strength or the numbers but he knows how to win, to make his teammates believe and to do so against the best college talent in the country. As for the Tebow comment by thadude, no one is saying mechanics don't come into play or that a team with a winning record automatically has a QB that is NFL caliber. It doesn't work that way. But a QB that is considered a top QB that cannot win at the college level is not a QB that should be drafted in the 1st round. Look up the records of the successful QB's in the game today and make the case for your argument. In fact, over the past 10 years, research the QB's that are top talents in the game today and find enough to make your case. You may find one or two that played for a top college program and couldn't even get their team into a Bowl game. Win/Loss record in college is not nearly as big as you make it out to be How many national championships did Peyton Manning and Tom Brady win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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