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Last week was not kind to Ryan Fitzpatrick, as he had one of the worst performances at QB in the history of the league, with six interceptions.  Let’s see how this unfolded:

Bad Magic:

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The Jets have four receivers and a tight end on this empty backfield play.  The Chiefs show man coverage with a single high safety.  The biggest problem on this play is that Fitzpatrick has his mind made up on the receiver even before the ball is snapped, because he’s completely locked in on Decker.  Quincy Enunwa is breaking open for an easy completion, and if that doesn’t work out, Brandon Marshall also has the chance to be open on this play.  However, Ryan Fitzpatrick stares down Decker on this play, and then air mails this throw, so no one had a chance of catching this pass.

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This play happens on 3rd and 12, and Fitzpatrick chooses to go to an underneath route when they needed 12 yards for the first down.  The Jets have to design a pass that is better than this, especially when the defender on Jalin Marshall is so far off the line of scrimmage.  While this is a completion for decent yardage, this is considered a failure because Jalin Marshall’s match-up is much better in this situation.  While running a spread offense, the QB has to take advantage of match-ups that are favorable, something Fitzpatrick did consistently last week against the Bills.  In this case however, he locked into Brandon Marshall as the option, and it resulted in a punt.

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The Jets are backed up near their goal line on a 3rd and 3 play, and Fitzpatrick makes a good decision.  He has Quincy Enunwa open for a pass, but by that time he has committed to running the ball.  He gets the first down, and it would have gone as a good play, but he fumbles the ball at the end.  The Jets are lucky to grab the ball, as Fitzpatrick pounces on the ball, but it’s a horrible fumble considering it wasn’t a tremendous tackle to begin with.  He shows a good ability to step up in the pocket, but he can’t fumble this deep in their own zone.

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The Chiefs line up in a 2 deep safety look, and the Jets counter with a mid range slant route to Marshall.  Brandon Marshall is somewhat well covered on this play, but he does have inside positioning on his defender.  However, this is just a horrible throw by Fitzpatrick as it is behind Marshall and low, and falls for an incomplete pass.  This pass needs to be more towards the middle of the field and lead his WR, instead the ball goes right towards the trailing defender.  The pass is woefully inaccurate.

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Unfortunately, the first of many interceptions for Ryan Fitzpatrick on the day.  The Jets line up with three WRs to the right, one to the left, and a RB on this play, while the Chiefs counter with a single high safety shading heavily over to the left side of the formation.  The Chiefs also bring a blitz, but this a head scratching throw by the QB, because he throws this right to the receiver that is the best covered on this play.  Quincy Enunwa is running downfield, and seems like a much better emergency option against a safety coming over from the other side of the field.  You have to give the Chiefs credit on this one, because the pre-snap look most likely confused Fitzpatrick, as the safety that was lined up all the way on the other side of the field ran across as the play developed.  However, it’s still no excuse for a terrible throw and interception.

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On this play, the Jets empty out the backfield and the Chiefs counter with a single high safety look.  The Chiefs play man coverage, but Fitzpatrick fails to check on the right side of this formation, as both Eric Decker and Kellen Davis are open for fairly easy passes.  He steps up in the pocket, and misfires a throw to Enunwa on the play, as it falls for an incomplete pass.  Fitzpatrick has to recognize the distance between Decker and his defender, especially knowing the route, and take advantage of it, instead of waiting for Enunwa to clear the traffic jam in the middle.  This is both a recognition and execution failure by Fitzpatrick.

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Kellen Davis goes in motion on this play, with no corresponding player movement from the Chiefs, indicating zone coverage on this play, as the Chiefs are also in 2 deep safety look.  Fitzpatrick recognizes the zone coverage, and locks in on Quincy Enunwa, running in the middle.  The Chiefs are in zone, and as soon as his defender hands off Enunwa, Fitzpatrick makes the throw to his now open WR.  However, it’s just a horrible throw, behind the receiver and low again, and it falls for an incomplete pass.  These are the kinds of passes that almost all NFL QBs have to complete on a consistent basis, because they had the right route against the right coverage, and still ended up with an incomplete pass.

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The Jets come out with four WRs, and a RB on this third down play in the red zone.  The Chiefs match-up Brandon Marshall on top with a corner back, and a LB playing the underneath route.  Brandon Marshall finds a soft part of the defense and is momentarily open but it’s a terrible throw by Fitzpatrick as the ball goes over Marshall’s head.  On a critical third down play, Fitzpatrick has to do a better job of allowing his play maker to have a chance at the ball.

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The Jets have four WRs on this play, with Brandon Marshall being the sole receiver to the left side of the formation.  This play highlights some of the biggest weaknesses with Fitzpatrick, because he’s locked onto Marshall from the start of this play.  He does a head fake to the right (before anything develops on the right side) and then turns around and fires to Marshall who is running a double stop and go, faking a back shoulder pass.  He is definitely open for the pass, but Fitzpatrick misses the throw badly and it falls for an incomplete pass.  The worst part about this play of course is that if Fitzpatrick had looked towards the other side with legitimate intent to scan the field, he would have seen an open Enunwa and a wide open Decker for a pass.   Fitzpatrick has limitations both physically and mentally, and he showed them off on this play.

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This is another one read pass for anyone keeping score at home.  From the onset, this pass is going to Brandon Marshall, and it’s not without merit because he’s definitely open on this play.  He is a good two steps ahead of his defender, when Fitzpatrick decides to throw this ball.  However, for some unforeseen reason, he decides to throw a back shoulder pass on a play where the CB is trailing, thus nailing the CB in the back with the pass.  The whole point of a back shoulder pass is that the coverage is step for step with the receiver, but the WR can react faster to an under thrown pass and create separation.  It makes no sense to throw a back shoulder pass when the WR is actually running by the defender.  Just a horrible decision by Fitzpatrick.

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A first down play from the six yard line, and the Jets are lucky this wasn’t intercepted.  The Jets have three receivers to the right, the Chiefs have four defenders in the area, so it probably wasn’t the right time for a lob pass.  Eric Berry almost makes a great interception on this play, but the ball falls incomplete.   Fitzpatrick wasn’t under pressure to throw this ball, so he was much better served to wait and see if anything else opened up.  This is another example of Fitzpatrick having his mind made up before the snap, and the Jets were fortunate to walk away with a second shot at the end zone after this.

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Ofcourse, the good luck didn’t last for too long, because this is the very next play.  While this will go down as a tipped interception, this should have been picked off straight because Fitzpatrick throws it right to the defender.   Remember the drop by Marshall in the red zone when the Jets stacked WRs?  They have the exact same set up, with a chance for a quick pass strike here, but Fitzpatrick goes away from that, and throws it into traffic for Marshall.  Eric Decker set up the easy pass for Fitzpatrick to Marshall, but it goes ignored to the left of the formation.   Just a horrible read and throw by Fitzpatrick.

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On this play, the Jets are spread out with five receivers, while the Chiefs are in a 2 deep safety look.  Fitzpatrick does a good job of stepping up in the pocket, but he floats this pass too much for Decker and it’s just out of his reach.  He had a step on his defender and Fitzpatrick needs to hit this pass but he over-throws this pass slightly.  For a QB that doesn’t have the strongest arm, he has to get these touch passes perfectly, and in this case, he fails.

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This is a broken play from the start, because there is a blitz and a free man running at Fitzpatrick.  He makes a great move to avoid the blitzing LB, and step up in the pocket, but then fires a very misguided attempt at heroism with a throw into the end zone, which promptly gets picked off.  Enunwa is the closest target, but this pass goes over him and into the waiting arms of a defender.  Many Jet fans will ridicule Geno Smith’s behind the back fumble because he was trying to do too much, but this is much in the same type of play.  There was no need to throw this ill advised throw into the end zone, and it ended up being an interception.  Sometimes, it’s better to cut your losses and survive for another play.

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On this play, Enunwa is open down the middle of the field, but Fitzpatrick just makes a bad throw, and it’s behind the intended target.  Enunwa has a chance for a big gain, but this is just a terrible throw, especially since guys like Forte and Marshall seemed to also be open on this play.  Fitzpatrick is locked into Enunwa from the start of this play, but he has to make a better throw on this play.

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Quincy Enunwa is again open on this play, but Ryan Fitzpatrick is late with the throw, and then promptly air mails it over everyone’s head.  He has a somewhat clean pocket and is looking in the vicinity of Enunwa, but doesn’t pull the trigger on the throw early, and then runs towards the pressure, causing him to throw off-balance on this throw.

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The art of a screen pass from the school of Christian Hackenberg.  This is exactly the type of screen pass that earns criticism for Hackenberg, and Fitzpatrick does a good impression here.  He barely sells this screen pass, and then makes a horrible throw that is popped up and nearly intercepted.  Notice the lineman that realize it’s a screen pass and go directly towards the RB in this case.  It’s a poor set up and execution by the Jets.

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Another example of Fitzpatrick being absolutely locked in on a receiver from the snap.  The Chiefs are in two deep safety look at this point.  He is staring down Eric Decker from the start of this play, and then inexplicably waits until the safety comes into play before he makes his throw.  It’s just a terrible throw, when he had other options open underneath, including Enunwa.  This is another pass the Jets were lucky that it fell incomplete instead of an interception.

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We have one near interception, followed by another near interception.  This another play just staring down Eric Decker the entire way, as he’s somewhat well covered on this play, but Fitzpatrick throws to him anyway.  Brandon Marshall and the RB had a chance to be open on the other side of the field, but Fitzpatrick was determined to throw this ball to Decker, and almost pays for it.  He over-throws the ball again, and the safety behind Decker almost picks it off.  Just a horrible play all around for Fitzpatrick.

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This is just a flat out bad throw.  This is another one where he is staring down a receiver from the onset, and you can see how the safety is following his eyes towards Marshall.  Brandon Marshall was well covered on this play, so naturally Fitzpatrick decides to throw it into traffic anyway.

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The cherry on top of this performance.  A horrible throw again, as if the defender had an invisibility cloak.  The RB is running a wheel route on this play, and Fitzpatrick decides to throw it to the trailing LB, so he can run it back for a Pick 6.  There are other guys open on this play, but this is another locked in syndrome play.

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Since the only fitting way to end this game was an interception, Ryan Fitzpatrick obliged by throwing another one.  Brandon Marshall has one on one coverage against his defender down the sideline, so Ryan Fitzpatrick throws it right to the defender.  He gives no chance for Marshall to make a play on the ball because this is sent right to the corner back on this play.

Conclusion:

This is the worst QB performance I have seen, because it was a constant stream of bad decisions and bad throws during this game.  Even if you go and read our College Scouting Report on Christian Hackenberg, he doesn’t look nearly as bad as Ryan Fitzpatrick did in Week 3.  This was one of those all time worst performances, and it could have easily been worse.  There was a legitimate chance of 10 interceptions in the game, as Fitzpatrick just didn’t have it

Fitzpatrick Grade:  Detained

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I'm in a state of shock right now. It's not Fitz fault. It isn't. The KC defenders kept intercepting. Blame them. Not Fitzmagic. Fitz had one job and that was to throw the ball. He did that pretty nicely. Threw it 44 times. Once the ball leaves Sir Ryan Fitzpatricks hand, the rest is all @divine intervention" like Francessa would claim it. 

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Fitz Grade = H (Hideous)

Would you tell Geno Smith to be ready this week? : What you don't think he is ready every week ? He is the backup QB, he can be in the game in a heartbeat. Of course Geno needs to be ready. If Fitz is as careless with the Football in the red zone as we was on Sunday then Bowles would have to consider making a move.

I like the setup" Plays just need to be a bit slower. Overal though i love this thead and look forward to it every week.

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These threads are great. Makes the site much more enjoyable. Really shows the science involved in the game.

i have stated all off season that the Jets would be better off without Fitz. He held out on the Jets. That was a disgrace in itself. The Jets want to be a throwing team. Once the let the Clubber go at RB and picked up all of those WR's this became a passing team. The schedule required them to go deep often to keep teams honest.

Fitz is not that type of QB. He needs to go to WR 3 and 4 more often. That will open things up for 15/87. He lacked the reps with the new guys because of his hold out and now the Jets are paying for that. It is more than the $12MM USD. Geno should start this week. I have no confidence in 14.

like I stated in other threads, 3 of his last 4 games have been less than acceptable for an NFL QB. Particularly a veteran QB. Easy to see why no one else wanted him. This franchise remains a laughing stock because of the less than stellar decisions they make. Can't wait till Petty gets healthy.

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No excuse to have this type of performance with all those weapons on the field. Fitz needs to bounce back against the Hawks. I'd also like to see us play Robbie Anderson more, but its hard when he's consistently underthrown. Petty/Hackenberg really showed how dangerous this guy could be during the preseason. There were two passes that were off that had the potential for at TD if the ball was just thrown more accurately (Anderson/Marshall). 

My biggest problem while looking at all 22 Gifs here was the great play by the offensive line. Ryan Fitzpatrick had a totally clean pocket on 21 of the 22 Gifs you presented. The Gifs with the worst pocket was Gif 14, which you perfectly explained. Outside of Gif 14 the closest Fitz had to an uncomfortable pocket is Gif #5 which was nothing more than a closing pocket. It wasnt even like there was  a free rusher however. Everyone was picked up, even the A-gap blitzer by the RB. Fitz could have simply thrown the ball away, but instead he throws a pass to a receiver that's covered where the defender never even turned his hips on the play and was watching Fitz the entire play. Why would you throw that?! Literally every other gif shows a clean pocket in which shows that there isnt a defender near Fitz for atleast a couple yards. How do you have these weapons and a clean pocket and have such a disastrous performance? I wouldnt excuse Fitz for his 6 picks, but I would have atleast understood if on these plays there was constant pressure on Fitz and he was flustered, or Fitz was getting hit on like every play and he was hearing "steps" or seeing "phantom shadows". This offensive line dominated the Chiefs defensive line. Fitz had all day to go through his progression yet he refused. He instead was making pre-determined throws and he refused to throw away passes that obviously werent there. On all of those INT's the defensive player was completely reading Fitz. Most of the plays where they dropped the ball they were reading Fitz because he was staring down. The staring down of receivers must stop. NFL defensive players are too good. 

Great breakdown. 

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4 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

No excuse to have this type of performance with all those weapons on the field. Fitz needs to bounce back against the Hawks. I'd also like to see us play Robbie Anderson more, but its hard when he's consistently underthrown. Petty/Hackenberg really showed how dangerous this guy could be during the preseason. There were two passes that were off that had the potential for at TD if the ball was just thrown more accurately (Anderson/Marshall). 

My biggest problem while looking at all 22 Gifs here was the great play by the offensive line. Ryan Fitzpatrick had a totally clean pocket on 21 of the 22 Gifs you presented. The Gifs with the worst pocket was Gif 14, which you perfectly explained. Outside of Gif 14 the closest Fitz had to an uncomfortable pocket is Gif #5 which was nothing more than a closing pocket. It wasnt even like there was  a free rusher however. Everyone was picked up, even the A-gap blitzer by the RB. Fitz could have simply thrown the ball away, but instead he throws a pass to a receiver that's covered where the defender never even turned his hips on the play and was watching Fitz the entire play. Why would you throw that?! Literally every other gif shows a clean pocket in which shows that there isnt a defender near Fitz for atleast a couple yards. How do you have these weapons and a clean pocket and have such a disastrous performance? I wouldnt excuse Fitz for his 6 picks, but I would have atleast understood if on these plays there was constant pressure on Fitz and he was flustered, or Fitz was getting hit on like every play and he was hearing "steps" or seeing "phantom shadows". This offensive line dominated the Chiefs defensive line. Fitz had all day to go through his progression yet he refused. He instead was making pre-determined throws and he refused to throw away passes that obviously werent there. On all of those INT's the defensive player was completely reading Fitz. Most of the plays where they dropped the ball they were reading Fitz because he was staring down. The staring down of receivers must stop. NFL defensive players are too good. 

Great breakdown. 

And this is just what DC's see when looking at the Jets. Fitz locks on and that is that. End of story.

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5 hours ago, j4jets said:

I'm in a state of shock right now. It's not Fitz fault. It isn't. The KC defenders kept intercepting. Blame them. Not Fitzmagic. Fitz had one job and that was to throw the ball. He did that pretty nicely. Threw it 44 times. Once the ball leaves Sir Ryan Fitzpatricks hand, the rest is all @divine intervention" like Francessa would claim it. 

Lol, I blame it on archer's paradox.  He's putting too much force with his strong arm on the ball, and it's wiggling too much.  

5 hours ago, shawn306 said:

Fitz Grade = H (Hideous)

Would you tell Geno Smith to be ready this week? : What you don't think he is ready every week ? He is the backup QB, he can be in the game in a heartbeat. Of course Geno needs to be ready. If Fitz is as careless with the Football in the red zone as we was on Sunday then Bowles would have to consider making a move.

I like the setup" Plays just need to be a bit slower. Overal though i love this thead and look forward to it every week.

I think it has to be a different type of preparation, to be ready on an everyday basis, or to be ready to go in at a moment's notice.  Just an extra level of preparedness.  I guess sort of like emergency personnel at an airport, they always have to be ready for an emergency, but an extra alert saying a plane is coming in for an emergency landing helps.  

Seattle has the type of defense that gives Fitz trouble the most, because they require you to beat them deep with precise passes.  They are excellent at cutting off the short passes in the middle, so Geno might actually make an appearance.    

Thank You.  I want to slow it down in a slow motion, but there is no option for it.  They allow you to slow down the regular camera feed, but not the coaches tape for some reason.  

4 hours ago, Green DNA said:

Great job, I enjoy this breakdown each week, as painful as it is to look at.

Thank You.  This week was hard, just so many bad plays that I had to abandon some of the breakdowns on plays like describing the coverage in more detail because it was just too many words, lol.  

4 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

These threads are great. Makes the site much more enjoyable. Really shows the science involved in the game.

i have stated all off season that the Jets would be better off without Fitz. He held out on the Jets. That was a disgrace in itself. The Jets want to be a throwing team. Once the let the Clubber go at RB and picked up all of those WR's this became a passing team. The schedule required them to go deep often to keep teams honest.

Fitz is not that type of QB. He needs to go to WR 3 and 4 more often. That will open things up for 15/87. He lacked the reps with the new guys because of his hold out and now the Jets are paying for that. It is more than the $12MM USD. Geno should start this week. I have no confidence in 14.

like I stated in other threads, 3 of his last 4 games have been less than acceptable for an NFL QB. Particularly a veteran QB. Easy to see why no one else wanted him. This franchise remains a laughing stock because of the less than stellar decisions they make. Can't wait till Petty gets healthy.

Thank You.  

I argued for not signing Fitz this off season as well because he's a fine backup making small money, but a horrible guy to pay starter's money for.  I even mentioned that Geno is a better fit from a physical standpoint for this type of offense, because his physical skills compliment what we are trying to do here.  The only concern was if he could pick up the mental aspects of the game, which from reports in training camp indicated that he did.  In fact, I was starting a scouting thread advocating for Geno when Bowles declared Fitz the starter.  It's actually quite hilarious to watch our offense two years ago, with people covered like a winter coat all over the field.  There were at least 10 plays in the 1+ games I scouted, where I paused the film at the top of Geno's drop back, and I couldn't find one guy open that I would have thrown to, with the help of the coaches tape.  

Fitz isn't horrible, but he can't beat good defenses because he's limited.  You see it over and over again with these good defenses that dare us to throw deep and try to under-cut intermediate routes.  

You'll see it again this week with Seattle, they are going to have their LBs undercut the intermediate routes, and dare us to hit WRs over the top before the safety comes into play.  A QB with a strong arm takes advantage of this often because there is space there, but we won't be doing it.  I expect a ton of screen passes this week.  

4 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

First off, thanks for doing this.  Great stuff each week.

I would think you would have to give Geno some 1st team reps..if for no other reason than to let Fitz know he can be pulled any time.

Thank You.  

I would put Fitz on notice, saying he has to have a good start against the Seahawks, because you can't pay $12 million to a guy that plays this bad.  He has to start off good, or we have to go somewhere else.  I've said as a long time Knicks fan, there is no point in going 8-8 consistently.  Either play young QBs and find a stud, or fail enough to land a top QB.  

I never understood the upside of Fitz, when pretty much every modem of analysis said he was mediocre.  

3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

No excuse to have this type of performance with all those weapons on the field. Fitz needs to bounce back against the Hawks. I'd also like to see us play Robbie Anderson more, but its hard when he's consistently underthrown. Petty/Hackenberg really showed how dangerous this guy could be during the preseason. There were two passes that were off that had the potential for at TD if the ball was just thrown more accurately (Anderson/Marshall). 

My biggest problem while looking at all 22 Gifs here was the great play by the offensive line. Ryan Fitzpatrick had a totally clean pocket on 21 of the 22 Gifs you presented. The Gifs with the worst pocket was Gif 14, which you perfectly explained. Outside of Gif 14 the closest Fitz had to an uncomfortable pocket is Gif #5 which was nothing more than a closing pocket. It wasnt even like there was  a free rusher however. Everyone was picked up, even the A-gap blitzer by the RB. Fitz could have simply thrown the ball away, but instead he throws a pass to a receiver that's covered where the defender never even turned his hips on the play and was watching Fitz the entire play. Why would you throw that?! Literally every other gif shows a clean pocket in which shows that there isnt a defender near Fitz for atleast a couple yards. How do you have these weapons and a clean pocket and have such a disastrous performance? I wouldnt excuse Fitz for his 6 picks, but I would have atleast understood if on these plays there was constant pressure on Fitz and he was flustered, or Fitz was getting hit on like every play and he was hearing "steps" or seeing "phantom shadows". This offensive line dominated the Chiefs defensive line. Fitz had all day to go through his progression yet he refused. He instead was making pre-determined throws and he refused to throw away passes that obviously werent there. On all of those INT's the defensive player was completely reading Fitz. Most of the plays where they dropped the ball they were reading Fitz because he was staring down. The staring down of receivers must stop. NFL defensive players are too good. 

Great breakdown. 

Thank You.  

The whole set up of this team goes completely against Fitzpatrick.  Everything screams for a QB that has a big arm and is accurate down the field.  Marshall and Decker are both nightmares as one on one match ups, but teams take away some of their effectiveness by under-cutting them constantly.  I just don't see why people think he's a great fit for this team.  He's not a smart scan the field type, because I watched for that specifically, and more times than not, he's locked into a guy from the snap until throw.  It was actually refreshing to see Hackenberg scan the field.  

Yeah, the defenders are playing of off Fitz's weaknesses.  We saw the Bengals do this often, playing zone to take away the short passes and having a safety over the top just watching Fitz.  His arm is weak enough that the safety can just look at him, and then jump a deep route.  The Seahawks thrive on this, so I'm not sure what the game plan this week is going to be.   

I think the worst throw was actually the Pick 6, not only for the result, but it made no sense at all.  That's a horrible throw if there was no one around because it's well behind the RB running a wheel route.  I looked at that one for about 5 mins, just playing it back from the two angles trying to see what he was thinking, and I came up with nothing.  

You are right, Petty or Hackenberg (or Geno) would help with the main issue here, which is vertical inflexibility.  There is absolutely no danger for teams to bring in their safeties or have them play the QBs eyes because Fitz just doesn't have the downfield arm strength and accuracy to beat them. 

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4 minutes ago, chirorob said:

Great read, always a great read.

For someone who has been in the league this long, how does he just stare down one guy over and over?

Thank you.   

He hasn't because scanning the field is not that easy for most people.  To scan the field, you have to have a quick release because it's not a timing throw, but rather just quick recognition and unloading the ball.  Fitz does a little hop and ball tap before every throw beyond 5 yards, sort of like his windup.  He can't do that consistently if he's scanning the field because it would take him too long to get the hop and ball tap, at which point it would be too late.  

Instead, this system is better for him, as opposed to other ones, because a spread system is designed to highlight the weakness of a defense at each snap.  Fitz reads these weaknesses, and he realizes he has a better shot of just deciding on that weakness and trying to attack it instead of reading the field.  

My best bet for the future is really having the physical issues with Hackenberg because he has the mental aspect of the game down, and he has a strong enough arm to make quick throws after reading the field.  He needs to work on his footwork for accuracy, but that's really just my biggest hope for the future.  

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59 minutes ago, win4ever said:

Thank you.   

He hasn't because scanning the field is not that easy for most people.  To scan the field, you have to have a quick release because it's not a timing throw, but rather just quick recognition and unloading the ball.  Fitz does a little hop and ball tap before every throw beyond 5 yards, sort of like his windup.  He can't do that consistently if he's scanning the field because it would take him too long to get the hop and ball tap, at which point it would be too late.  

Instead, this system is better for him, as opposed to other ones, because a spread system is designed to highlight the weakness of a defense at each snap.  Fitz reads these weaknesses, and he realizes he has a better shot of just deciding on that weakness and trying to attack it instead of reading the field.  

My best bet for the future is really having the physical issues with Hackenberg because he has the mental aspect of the game down, and he has a strong enough arm to make quick throws after reading the field.  He needs to work on his footwork for accuracy, but that's really just my biggest hope for the future.  

What about Petty?  He seems to have the arm strength and is supposedly pretty smart.

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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

What about Petty?  He seems to have the arm strength and is supposedly pretty smart.

I don't know with him because most of his games are with backups so it's harder to tell.  With Hackenberg there is college evidence of him scanning the field, but he can't throw it accurately.

In college, Petty ran a spread system that didn't call for much scanning, it was designed on speed, and they had it in spades so it was all about pre-snap reads and finding the weak spot.  I think there was one report that stated he didn't know how to spot the Mike LB at the line of scrimmage.

He definitely got better from his first year, but I don't really know if he's good at it yet.  I would however think he has more potential and would definitely try him out by next season.  He does have the physical tools so if he could get the mental aspect down, he has a shot.  I like Hackenberg better as a long term guy because his issues seem fixable to me given time.

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Fitz Grade:  lawsuit for breach of contract.  He should return the 12mil.

Should Geno be ready:  yes, though I do think odds are Fitz will correct hints enough to keep it close and perhaps win.  Only then to suck again vs better teams like Pitt.

Format:  whatever works better for you is perfect.  These posts are awesome.  If it's all the same to you though, I think all in one is better.  Easier to review instead of searching around for the different threads.  Also seems more difficult to discuss the performance as it's spread out over good/bad/assistant.  Though I suppose we're lucky with Fitz because most stuff will fall under "bad".  Almost no need to check the other threads.

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1 hour ago, Mike135 said:

Fitz Grade:  lawsuit for breach of contract.  He should return the 12mil.

Should Geno be ready:  yes, though I do think odds are Fitz will correct hints enough to keep it close and perhaps win.  Only then to suck again vs better teams like Pitt.

Format:  whatever works better for you is perfect.  These posts are awesome.  If it's all the same to you though, I think all in one is better.  Easier to review instead of searching around for the different threads.  Also seems more difficult to discuss the performance as it's spread out over good/bad/assistant.  Though I suppose we're lucky with Fitz because most stuff will fall under "bad".  Almost no need to check the other threads.

Thanks.  

I didn't get the signing to begin with, when every other team out there knew the performance last year was fluke.  His stats and veteran stats were a perfect fit for a Broncos team that just needed a game manager, and even they went completely against him.

I think Fitz is going to be in trouble this week because this is the type of defense that gives him the most trouble.  They force you to make hard throws, so I expect this week to be had honestly.  

I kind of changed the format, because I had the idea like you that everything should be on the same page.  But these articles were 4K+ words and I wasn't sure if people were just not reading them because it was too long.  Figured, if I could break it down more, there might be more discussion.  And a lot of GIFs tend to really slow down the loading times, so separating them seemed like a good idea for speed.  Although, there was so many "Bad Magic" ones this week, that it didn't matter.  I remember doing the Fitzmagic one, and I usually make gifs while I watch the game in order, and then I go back to the Gifs and retrace the game situation and write from there.  I got to the third one, and I couldn't find where the play happened, because I figured there was no way he could only make two actual good throws in the first half, took me about 10 mins to find the play in the 5 min mark of the third quarter, lol.  

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5 hours ago, Jetdawgg said:

And this is just what DC's see when looking at the Jets. Fitz locks on and that is that. End of story.

I've never seen anything like it. The pocket is completely clean yet this dude is on the field like "**** it" and is just staring down receivers and throwing the ball when he either doesnt need to, given that he's not being pressured, or simply not throwing the ball away and living for the next down. Speaking of living for the next play, Fitz threw 6 INT's as we all know, however, 4 of the 6 INT's were on 2nd down. It's 2nd and some yards and this dude is pressing the issue. 

Int #1. 3rd and 9

Int. #2. 2nd and goal 

Int. #3. 2nd and goal

Int. #4. 4th and 10

Int. #5. 2nd and 2

Int. #6. 2nd and 7. 

 

The more I review that game the more inexcusable and wreckless his performance really was. 

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3 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I've never seen anything like it. The pocket is completely clean and this dude is on the field like "**** it" and is just staring down receivers and throwing the ball when he either doesnt need to, given that he's not being pressured, or simply not throwing the ball away and living for the next down. Speaking of living for the next play, Fitz threw 6 INT's as we all know, however, 4 of the 6 INT's were on 2nd down. It's 2nd and some yards and this dude is pressing the issue. 

Int #1. 3rd and 9

Int. #2. 2nd and goal 

Int. #3. 2nd and goal

Int. #4. 4th and 10

Int. #5. 2nd and 2

Int. #6. 2nd and 7. 

 

The more I review that game the more inexcusable and wreckless his performance really was. 

I mentioned in an earlier thread that even Clady played well and he was struggling to that point. What happens when he gets picked on Sunday? 

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Man you really had your work cut out for you this week with the steaming pile fitz blessed us with. It really goes to show how "football IQ" has more to do with instincts than it does intelligence. The game moves so fast that when the ball is snapped, if you have to think about what you want to do with it then you're dead. Great job as always 

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17 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

I mentioned in an earlier thread that even Clady played well and he was struggling to that point. What happens when he gets picked on Sunday? 

I have not a clue. I know one thing, The Jets need 2 of the next 3 games with the Steelers game being a must win. Cant get through this 6 game stretch with losing 3 games to AFC teams. You might as well call it a season just due to tie-breakers. 

Fitz better play the "games of his life" or Bowles needs to press the button. 

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2 hours ago, Pac said:

# 12 million is a bargain for a starting QB

 

No one else seemed to want the bargain either,  I love how Fitz painted this as "betting on himself" because right now he's losing badly.

1 hour ago, Jetdawgg said:

I mentioned in an earlier thread that even Clady played well and he was struggling to that point. What happens when he gets picked on Sunday? 

This game is shaping up to be a disaster, because the Seahawks play great defense, and run the exact defense that gives Fitz fits.  

1 hour ago, cant wait said:

Man you really had your work cut out for you this week with the steaming pile fitz blessed us with. It really goes to show how "football IQ" has more to do with instincts than it does intelligence. The game moves so fast that when the ball is snapped, if you have to think about what you want to do with it then you're dead. Great job as always 

This week was hard with all the bad plays.  I usually like to go more in-depth, but there were just so many plays that were head scratching that I couldn't write more.  Fitz doesn't really have much football IQ, he's just good in the system, because the system is set up to be somewhat easy.  Thank you.  

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I have not a clue. I know one thing, The Jets need 2 of the next 3 games with the Steelers game being a must win. Cant get through this 6 game stretch with losing 3 games to AFC teams. You might as well call it a season just due to tie-breakers. 

Fitz better play the "games of his life" or Bowles needs to press the button. 

The problem is, I'm not sure they are going to press reset on this anytime soon, because they invested so much in him, and we Bowles seems to ride his veterans for a long time.  Cro was getting beat left and right, and we kept throwing him out there forever.  

1 hour ago, fusionCA said:

other then the awful play of Fitzpatrick what I get the most out of it is that Enunwa is always open.

I don't know if its because they double Marshall and Decker or if its by design but he is always open

We did a Weapons Check article on Enunwa the last two weeks, and he's really progressed.  Skipping it this week because no one read it, lol, figure it's redundant with this.  However, he did have two bad drops in this game, which he had improved on from last year.  

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23 minutes ago, win4ever said:

No one else seemed to want the bargain either,  I love how Fitz painted this as "betting on himself" because right now he's losing badly.

This game is shaping up to be a disaster, because the Seahawks play great defense, and run the exact defense that gives Fitz fits.  

This week was hard with all the bad plays.  I usually like to go more in-depth, but there were just so many plays that were head scratching that I couldn't write more.  Fitz doesn't really have much football IQ, he's just good in the system, because the system is set up to be somewhat easy.  Thank you.  

The problem is, I'm not sure they are going to press reset on this anytime soon, because they invested so much in him, and we Bowles seems to ride his veterans for a long time.  Cro was getting beat left and right, and we kept throwing him out there forever.  

We did a Weapons Check article on Enunwa the last two weeks, and he's really progressed.  Skipping it this week because no one read it, lol, figure it's redundant with this.  However, he did have two bad drops in this game, which he had improved on from last year.  

The season is more important than the player. They didn't invest too much. They gave him a one year deal. It's not like they gave him a 4 year deal and are now stuck with him. You don't throw away the season because you threw away 12 million dollars. If there's an opportunity to see what any other qb on this roster is made of then you do it. Fitz wasn't going to be a jet next year regardless, he's not that important to the point that I would say that we're just stuck with him. 

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48 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The season is more important than the player. They didn't invest too much. They gave him a one year deal. It's not like they gave him a 4 year deal and are now stuck with him. You don't throw away the season because you threw away 12 million dollars. If there's an opportunity to see what any other qb on this roster is made of then you do it. Fitz wasn't going to be a jet next year regardless, he's not that important to the point that I would say that we're just stuck with him. 

I think it's going to be one of those "He won us games last year, we'll stick with him" kind of thing for Bowles.  

I agree they should move on if he struggles, but the tenacity with which Bowles defended him this week as the unquestioned starter tells me he's not really considering it.  I think if the game goes bad, I'd love to see anyone else out there.  Geno, Petty, or even Hackenberg would excite me more than seeing him trot out there to float passes.  Now, I could be wrong and he could actually have a good game, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  

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33 minutes ago, win4ever said:

I think it's going to be one of those "He won us games last year, we'll stick with him" kind of thing for Bowles.  

I agree they should move on if he struggles, but the tenacity with which Bowles defended him this week as the unquestioned starter tells me he's not really considering it.  I think if the game goes bad, I'd love to see anyone else out there.  Geno, Petty, or even Hackenberg would excite me more than seeing him trot out there to float passes.  Now, I could be wrong and he could actually have a good game, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  

I think bowles did the right thing...this week. You don't bench Fitz now and even though Fitz threw 6ints the game was still within reach 6mins left in the 4th. 

However, we have a month left worth of some legit teams and if Fitz is looking unlike what a 12 million dollar qb should look, expect bowles tune to change. If Fitz responds then it was a good move by Bowles sticking by him, if Fitz does poorly then no one can say that he wasn't given time to bounce back, which would be the #1 excuse if Fitz is snatched now. Basically, Fitz has to lose the job. That's what it's really about imo. 

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22 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I think bowles did the right thing...this week. You don't bench Fitz now and even though Fitz threw 6ints the game was still within reach 6mins left in the 4th. 

However, we have a month left worth of some legit teams and if Fitz is looking unlike what a 12 million dollar qb should look, expect bowles tune to change. If Fitz responds then it was a good move by Bowles sticking by him, if Fitz does poorly then no one can say that he wasn't given time to bounce back, which would be the #1 excuse if Fitz is snatched now. Basically, Fitz has to lose the job. That's what it's really about imo. 

I would be absolutely shocked if Fitz has a good game this week, but yeah they couldn't bench him after the Chiefs game, especially coming off the Bills one, but his leash needs to be short.  

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Great analysis as always thanks, can I just ask what would you say is the cause of such a drastic contrast in performance from the Bills game to this one? I mean it was a bizarre drop from AFC player of the week, shredding the Bills, to the worst performance by a QB in recent memory. Are we talking a bad defensive matchup against KC or was Fitz juts a lot more inaccurate in general? I thought at the time maybe our receivers weren't getting the seperation needed to compensate for Fitz lack of arm but seeing the gifs you posted we had guys open for sure, Fitz was just not looking their way.

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Last year Fitz had at least a three game slump, then came out of it and teased us with a playoff spot. At no point was there any hint that he'd get pulled. Given how close that was to working out, I'd expect similar patience this year.

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1 hour ago, Nick Blitz said:

Great analysis as always thanks, can I just ask what would you say is the cause of such a drastic contrast in performance from the Bills game to this one? I mean it was a bizarre drop from AFC player of the week, shredding the Bills, to the worst performance by a QB in recent memory. Are we talking a bad defensive matchup against KC or was Fitz juts a lot more inaccurate in general? I thought at the time maybe our receivers weren't getting the seperation needed to compensate for Fitz lack of arm but seeing the gifs you posted we had guys open for sure, Fitz was just not looking their way.

He wasn't seeing the field, and a lot of his shorter passes were really coming in fast / low / off target. Looked to me to be very similar to how he performed in Buffalo in Wk 17 last year, like he was trying to jam the ball in when a bit more touch and a bit more leading the WR was needed. How many drops on Sunday were due to the pass being behind the WR?

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13 hours ago, Mike135 said:

When it's this bad, it's best to just laugh.

 

It's one of the worst QB performances I've seen in a long time.  The only other one I could think of that came close for a mostly full game was when Josh Freeman got picked up by the Vikings and just looked lost with missing throws left and right, and even he had a better game.  

8 hours ago, Nick Blitz said:

Great analysis as always thanks, can I just ask what would you say is the cause of such a drastic contrast in performance from the Bills game to this one? I mean it was a bizarre drop from AFC player of the week, shredding the Bills, to the worst performance by a QB in recent memory. Are we talking a bad defensive matchup against KC or was Fitz juts a lot more inaccurate in general? I thought at the time maybe our receivers weren't getting the seperation needed to compensate for Fitz lack of arm but seeing the gifs you posted we had guys open for sure, Fitz was just not looking their way.

Thank you.  

-I think it's a bunch of factors.  One, Fitz threw the ball amazingly well against the Bills.  It was the most accurate I've seen him in a Jets uniform, and it was definitely out of the ordinary.  He isn't that good at all on deep passes, but he was on point for most of that game.   

-The Bills refused to adjust their game plan during the game, daring Fitz to beat them time and time again.  They didn't game plan for Enunwa at all, as anytime they needed a big conversion, Enunwa was open.  

-Fitz is good against man coverage, because he has some of the best weapons in the game.  He can rely on them to win those matchups because they are just better than the person lined up against them.  They beat the Bills to death on back shoulder passes, and the Bills failed to adjust throughout the game.  

-The Chiefs don't play nearly as much man coverage, and they played more zone in critical spots.  This is a bad matchup for Fitz because he doesn't have the arm strength to beat zone consistently, unless it's a bad zone team.  To make up for his arm strength, Fitz releases the ball early, assuming where the defenders and his player will go.  This is bad if the back end of the defense is quick, and the Chiefs are very good in this aspect.  If you go back to last year, guys that could sling it deep with accuracy killed them, such as Rodgers, Brady, Dalton, and even Tyrod.  They stifle other QBs, because they force people to beat them underneath and tackle.  The team thrives on those underneath passes, and it was a horrible fit for Fitz.

-Unfortunately, the Seahawks are a better version of the same type of defense coming up.

7 hours ago, jamesr said:

Last year Fitz had at least a three game slump, then came out of it and teased us with a playoff spot. At no point was there any hint that he'd get pulled. Given how close that was to working out, I'd expect similar patience this year.

Last year, he ran into a great schedule to come out of the slump, but not really the case this year.  I would love to see him improve, because the Bills game Fitz was more than a game manager, but he's just so inconsistent at this point.  

7 hours ago, jamesr said:

He wasn't seeing the field, and a lot of his shorter passes were really coming in fast / low / off target. Looked to me to be very similar to how he performed in Buffalo in Wk 17 last year, like he was trying to jam the ball in when a bit more touch and a bit more leading the WR was needed. How many drops on Sunday were due to the pass being behind the WR?

There were a few drops that were just on the players.  Enunwa dropped a pretty deep pass, and Marshall dropped an easy pass as well.  But some weren't even close, have no idea where Fitz was going with the pass.  It just looked like they weren't on the same page at all.  

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