Snell41 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, an washed out Peyton Manning Hooray for almost 20 years ago with Dilfer and Johnson. This game today is nothing like what they played in Nothing A washed out Peyton Manning is still Peyton Manning. He is WORLDS better than Fitzpatrick on his best day, simply for his football knowledge alone. Peyton clearly could not play at the level he was accustomed, but he did know how to win games even at such a diminished physical level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, an washed out Peyton Manning. Rex Grossman made it to a Super Bowl. REX GROSSMAN. In the end, there are no guarantees Solid sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, PatsFanTX said: You cite 3 QB's out of 50 Super Bowl games. What about the other 47 games? Even a blind squirrel....................................... Super Bowl contending teams have one thing in common. A franchise QB. PatsFanTX, His statement was 100% definite. He said "No franchise Qbs = No Super Bowl" I just proved him wrong. And you use "Super Bowl contending teams" That to me suggests AFC NFC Championship. Mark Sanchez played in 2. So by your logic, Mark Sanchez is a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, JiF said: That's because it was a joke and jokes are funny. The not so funny part is, if we were breaking in or trying out a youngster at QB (like I suggested :)) ...nobody would give a **** about the record because the team would finally be moving toward the future with no expectations this season. But, instead, you went all in on this season, win now mode, with Ryan ******* Fitzpatrick and now you're a stick in the mud franchise going nowhere, with no new information about this team and literally no vision or direction as it pertains to the most important position in all of sports. And the worst part is, this was all so ******* predictable. If he losses his job this season, you have to wonder how much Todd wished he would have just rolled with Geno or Petty or Hack. You would have to imagine Mac and Woody would have given him a much longer leash. But instead, here we are and here he is. Because fans are dumb and assume things when they don't. That's their fault. NEVER EXPECT IN SPORTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Traded the first rd pick for Glennon, drafted Jordan Howard in rd 2 and Cardale Jones in the middle rounds Kept Wilk on the one yr franchise tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Hooray for almost 20 years ago with Dilfer and Johnson. This game today is nothing like what they played in Nothing A washed out Peyton Manning is still Peyton Manning. He is WORLDS better than Fitzpatrick on his best day, simply for his football knowledge alone. Peyton clearly could not play at the level he was accustomed, but he did know how to win games even at such a diminished physical level. HE WAS BENCHED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 What about the Joe Flacco's of the NFL? The guys they call a Franchise QB but should he really be one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 27 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Yesterday, Hoyer was 33/43, 75%, 397 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's and a 120.0 QB rating. He's playing for $2MM this year but the Jets thought that paying Fitz $12MM was a better option. Wow. Because Fitzpatrick was supposed to be the new Rich Gannon, and Fitzpatrick was "better" than Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said: These people who think you can just trade up to pluck a franchise QB out of the draft live in complete delusion. If it were that easy we'd all be high on SB wins from Sanchez's amazing career here. You keep trying. You keep trying until you find him. You do not ever stop trying. You have zero shot of winning a SB without one. There is nothing more important in the NFL than getting your franchise QB. Drafting a high 1st round QB does not guarantee he pans out. Getting a franchise QB that does pan out does not guarantee SB's. But not having a franchise QB guarantees year of up and down inconsistency and guarantees no Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, BallinPB said: What about the Joe Flacco's of the NFL? The guys they call a Franchise QB but should he really be one? Eli Manning? PatsFanTX can attest to this. Is he a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Because fans are dumb and assume things when they don't. That's their fault. NEVER EXPECT IN SPORTS That post had nothing to do with the fans and everything to do with Todd Bowles. The fans, have nothing to do with this. Let it go.... you sound like a crazy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: HE WAS BENCHED! He was injured! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Snell41 said: Hooray for almost 20 years ago with Dilfer and Johnson. This game today is nothing like what they played in Nothing A washed out Peyton Manning is still Peyton Manning. He is WORLDS better than Fitzpatrick on his best day, simply for his football knowledge alone. Peyton clearly could not play at the level he was accustomed, but he did know how to win games even at such a diminished physical level. Which is why I supported Geno starting and telling Fitz to go F off if he didn't reduce his number significantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, BallinPB said: What about the Joe Flacco's of the NFL? The guys they call a Franchise QB but should he really be one? Yes. 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Eli Manning? PatsFanTX can attest to this. Is he a franchise QB? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, JiF said: That post had nothing to do with the fans and everything to do with Todd Bowles. The fans, have nothing to do with this. Let it go.... you sound like a crazy person. Yes they do. Sad, but they do. Fidelio Jet said it in another thread. The Jets, because of Woody, pay heed to fan and media reaction. Fans and media wanted Fitzpatrick back: here he is. Fans and media wanted Wilkerson extended: Here he is Fans and media wanted Revis back before he went to NE: They got him after. IT's the real primary problem with the franchise for which there are two possible solutions. Get rid of the owner or the fans and media have to be smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Eli Manning? PatsFanTX can attest to this. Is he a franchise QB? The guy who thought Matt Cassell was a franchise qb we are listening to now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 PatsFanTX, His statement was 100% definite. He said "No franchise Qbs = No Super Bowl" I just proved him wrong. And you use "Super Bowl contending teams" That to me suggests AFC NFC Championship. Mark Sanchez played in 2. So by your logic, Mark Sanchez is a franchise QB. Again, Super Bowl contending teams (95% of them) have a franchise QB.If I'm not mistaken, Sanchez has never played in a Super Bowl game.He is nothing more than the AFCCG game blind squirrel, regardless what junc and SAR say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, August said: Because Fitzpatrick was supposed to be the new Rich Gannon, and Fitzpatrick was "better" than Hoyer. Hoyer stinks he couldn't beat a Colts D which would have a tough time against me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yes they do. Sad, but they do. Fidelio Jet said it in another thread. The Jets, because of Woody, pay heed to fan and media reaction. And....you continue to chose to sound like a crazy person. Dont say I've never tried to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: Again, Super Bowl contending teams (95% of them) have a franchise QB. If I'm not mistaken, Sanchez has never played in a Super Bowl game. He is nothing more than the AFCCG game blind squirrel, regardless what junc and SAR say. You did not read my statement. Super Bowl contending means contending for or to get into a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hoyer stinks he couldn't beat a Colts D which would have a tough time against me Damn, you are really clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: Damn, you are really clueless. Ryan Mallet looks good holding a clipboard for Flacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ryan Mallet looks good holding a clipboard for Flacco And Fitz looks really good as the Jets starting QB.Get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: And Fitz looks really good as the Jets starting QB. Get a clue. Don't hurt my feelings you still have another 50 million posts on a jets fan site to make you feel better because you hopped on Brady's bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 36 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Hoyer stinks he couldn't beat a Colts D which would have a tough time against me I'm not saying Hoyer is "good" I'm mocking the notion that people thought Fitzpatrick was better than Hoyer. When imo they're both good backup QB's who can step in and occasionally run your offense and even win a game or two for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, Snell41 said: You keep trying. You keep trying until you find him. You do not ever stop trying. You have zero shot of winning a SB without one. There is nothing more important in the NFL than getting your franchise QB. Drafting a high 1st round QB does not guarantee he pans out. Getting a franchise QB that does pan out does not guarantee SB's. But not having a franchise QB guarantees year of up and down inconsistency and guarantees no Super Bowls. This is just gibberish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, rex-n-effect said: This is just gibberish No, it's truth. We have not had a franchise QB since Joe Namath, and we have not won a SB since Joe Namath. That's not coincidence at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 41 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: And Fitz looks really good as the Jets starting QB. Get a clue. To the other 31 NFL teams he looks great imagine preparing your team for Fitzpatrick and the Jets they must love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 A lot of talk here about how much the Jets should pay or give up to move up and get a true franchise QB prospect. The real question though is whether this front office can actually identify WHO the true franchise QB is! I'm not sold that Maccagnan can pick the best QB talent. He has acquired 3 QBs through FA and the Draft so far (Fitz, Petty, Hack) and while guys like Trevor Simian, Dak Prescott and Paxton Lynch are starting to see playing time, the Jets still seem further than ever from finding the QB of the future. Heck, even Minnesota traded for Sam Bradford, an elite talent who was screwed up and injured while on a bad Rams team and goofed up Chip Kelly Eagles squad. If the Jets don't see enough progress and development out of Petty and Hack by this Spring then I'd argue the Jets approach Minnesota for EITHER Bridgewater or Bradford. It sounds ridiculous.....but so is the Jets QB situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, BallinPB said: For Bradford to play like Bradford is playing right now it takes a complete team which the Vikings have. They play ahead and don't fall behind their opponent. However Bradford is definitely a better option than Fitzpatrick any day of the week. Thinking about it, if Bradford takes this team far, how do you go back to Bridgewater? I think the bigger question is when will bridgewater be ready to play again. Both QB's are perfect for that team-- smart, accurate, and efficient. It doesn't hurt that they have norv turner as OC too, he might be the best offensive coach in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: A lot of talk here about how much the Jets should pay or give up to move up and get a true franchise QB prospect. The real question though is whether this front office can actually identify WHO the true franchise QB is! I'm not sold that Maccagnan can pick the best QB talent. He has acquired 3 QBs through FA and the Draft so far (Fitz, Petty, Hack) and while guys like Trevor Simian, Dak Prescott and Paxton Lynch are starting to see playing time, the Jets still seem further than ever from finding the QB of the future. Heck, even Minnesota traded for Sam Bradford, an elite talent who was screwed up and injured while on a bad Rams team and goofed up Chip Kelly Eagles squad. If the Jets don't see enough progress and development out of Petty and Hack by this Spring then I'd argue the Jets approach Minnesota for EITHER Bridgewater or Bradford. It sounds ridiculous.....but so is the Jets QB situation. Bridgewater is damaged goods and will never play football again.....Bradford has found a new home ...next idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Bridgewater is damaged goods and will never play football again.....Bradford has found a new home ...next idea So was Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 minute ago, jetstream23 said: So was Drew Brees. Brees isnt a running QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Brees isnt a running QB. Correct. He was a throwing one with a destroyed shoulder who the Chargers let go because he was "damaged goods." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Just now, jetstream23 said: Correct. He was a throwing one with a destroyed shoulder who the Chargers let go because he was "damaged goods." Did you happen to hear or read about the severity of Bridgewater's knee injury and reports of players vomiting over it. Bridgewater is damaged goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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