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54 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

can be said for every athlete in just about every sport

In theory, yes, but when a player has had such a serious injury, normal impacts have a greater risk of causing a reassurance of that injury.  The body always works on the weakest link principle.  If that previously torn ACL is the weakest link in his knee, it is the first to go.

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On 7/15/2017 at 9:59 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

I get it, but I'm just going off of the assumption that everything is going to be bad all the time now. 

This is true.

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Changed my mind about the THJ contract.

 

1. $71 mil is actually not a big contract in today's NBA where useless crap like Omer Asik and Demarre Carrol get huge contracts

 

2. THJ sucked here but got a lot better in Atlanta once he got away from JR "the Human Cancer" Smith and the triangle

 

3. THJ is entering his prime

 

4. THJ shot 45% FG percentage which was better than Carmelo last year.  If he played as many minutes as Melo and gets as many shots his scoring avg would be the same

 

5. We weren't signing any marquis free agents anyway and Carmelo will be gone either this summer or next February

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Portland wants to trade for Melo, but Melo is not interested in waiving his NTC for the Blazers yet.  Before the Perry signing, the Knicks and Rockets tried to pull in Portland for a 4 way or 3 way deal, but Portland said it didn't want to help the Rockets, but would rather want to trade for Melo outright.  Attached is the link to the Portland artice on this:

http://www.kgw.com/sports/nba/blazers/report-carmelo-anthony-not-considering-portland-right-now/457448196

According to other reports, Portland's offer would revolve around Mo Harkless and a future protected 1st.  That's better assets than what the Rockets are offering.

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12 hours ago, SMC said:

Portland wants to trade for Melo, but Melo is not interested in waiving his NTC for the Blazers yet.  Before the Perry signing, the Knicks and Rockets tried to pull in Portland for a 4 way or 3 way deal, but Portland said it didn't want to help the Rockets, but would rather want to trade for Melo outright.  Attached is the link to the Portland artice on this:

http://www.kgw.com/sports/nba/blazers/report-carmelo-anthony-not-considering-portland-right-now/457448196

According to other reports, Portland's offer would revolve around Mo Harkless and a future protected 1st.  That's better assets than what the Rockets are offering.

We have to get rid of Melo.  He's a power forward but is forced to play and defend the 3 because we also have KP

If Melo doesn't want to accept a trade to Portland fine.  Simply bench and tell him to stay home like we did with Marbury

 

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Not Knicks related but this story is awesome:

 

 
Nobody knows how to motivate Stephen Jackson quite like Gregg Popovich. (AP)

Stephen Jackson, aka Captain Jack, spent Wednesday in Bristol, Connecticut, so we were treated to more tales from a man who has admitted to never working out in the summer and smoking weed before games during his 14-year career. This time, he combined those two subjects into one incredible story.

In response to a question on Ryen Russillo’s radio show about his best summer league story, Jackson offered not just his best story, but the best story. Setting the scene, Captain Jack was a free agent wrapping up a successful Rocky Mountain Revue performance in Utah following his rookie year on the 2000-01 New Jersey Nets, and that’s when San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich approached him.

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We’ll let him take it from there:

 

Jackson: “I remember playing great, and after the last game, we’re just sitting there, and Pop was like, ‘I need to talk to you.’ He was like, ‘Jack, you had a great summer league, you’re playing well, I really want you on my team, but there’s only one way you’re going to make my team: During the season, you can’t smoke weed, Jack. You just can’t do it. I need you focused. I need you on your game, because you know we have a chance to win a championship, and I need you focused.’

 

 

“And once he told me that, I shut it down. I shut it down. The NBA was way more important than weed. Trust me.”

 

 

Russillo: “So, you said, ‘That’s it’?”

 

 

Jackson: “Shut it down. I shut it down.”

 

 

Russillo: “And he believed you?”

 

 

Jackson: “I played two years there and won a championship. Everything he said was going to happen if I did my part — if I played defense, stopped smoking weed, I would win a championship, and I would be a starter on a championship team — and it all came true.”

 

 

Russillo: “So, does that mean if the next GM who signed you didn’t ask you that question, then that was not a rule you had to follow?”

 

 

Jackson: “We had to have that talk first. We had to have the talk first, you know what I mean? I know my role.”

 

True to form, Jackson started 58 games for the 2003 NBA champion Spurs, before joining the Atlanta Hawks in free agency. It is pretty great that Popovich’s scouting went deep enough to know he could get the best out of Captain Jack, so long as he wasn’t smoking weed, and it makes you wonder how many coaches at his other seven NBA stops would think to ask him not to smoke marijuana in season.

We do know former Golden State Warriors coach Don Nelson was not one of them, because Jackson told us as much — and more — during an appearance on Michael Rapaport’s podcast this past January:

 

“We’re in Utah and the drug test people are around, you know, to get our last drug test so we can smoke, right? Don Nelson, we talked about weed all the time, he was cool with talking about weed. We got our last test in Utah, right? So me and Baron [Davis] are coming out the locker room just screaming, excited with our last pink slip saying we could smoke for the rest of the season and Don Nelson hauls ass down there giving us high-fives like, ‘yeah, we can smoke now!’ It was cool, the fact that he knows what’s going on off the court with his players, which was great man. We enjoyed it. That’s why we were a great team.”

 

We should probably note that Popovich owned a 2-0 record against Nelson-coached teams in the playoffs, including a six-game win over Nelson’s Dallas Mavericks in the 2003 Western Conference finals, which featured a breakout and lights-out 24-point effort by Jackson in the close-out game.

We should also note that Jackson openly admitted on Rapoport’s podcast to smoking weed before games, with mixed results ranging from “great games” to “some games where I smoked before the game and was on the bench after three minutes sitting on the sideline, ‘please calm down, this high has to calm down,’ I done shot three shots that went over the backboard, like, I’m going to be honest, like, ‘ahh, I gotta calm down.” So, yeah, maybe Popovich asking him to chill was a pretty good call.

Jackson’s afternoon on the ESPN campus didn’t end with this weed-related story on the “Russillo Show.” He later joined Rachel Nichols and Paul Pierce on “The Jump” and offered these great takes:

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1 hour ago, SMC said:

That's great, Jif.  Who knew that Don Nelson was a pothead

The mental image of Pop sitting down Stephen Jackson and telling him he cant smoke weed anymore is too much.  

And then him and Baron Davis celebrating they can smoke.  I keep thinking of this scene from Wayne's World except replacing it with Davis and Jackson screaming, "We can smoke weed" , "We can smoke weed"

 

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Kyrie Irving requested a trade to either Knicks or Wolves.  Let's go Lebron we will offer you Melo and future draft picks plus we'll even take on Shumpert's horrible contract

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100% yes on Kyrie. 1 for 1 straight up in a heartbeat. Efficient top PG with a championship pedigree and given the current salaries in the NBA that contract becomes one hell of an asset.

If this team has taught me anything, it's not to get my hopes up, but holy crap would that be a great trade.

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1 hour ago, thadude said:

Kyrie Irving requested a trade to either Knicks or Wolves.  Let's go Lebron we will offer you Melo and future draft picks plus we'll even take on Shumpert's horrible contract

You dump Porzingis' soft ass in a heartbeat if they'd do it.

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55 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You dump Porzingis' soft ass in a heartbeat if they'd do it.

No you don't, because Porzingis's trade value is way higher than that even though he's sh*t. Irving doesn't make any sense for the Knicks. If Cleveland is willing to take a deal centered on Carmelo it would be much better to get a third team involved to kick in the picks and cap dollars because Irving is a clear overpay coming and going. That's pretty much the dream here, using this as a chance to get out from under for free.

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6 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

100% yes on Kyrie. 1 for 1 straight up in a heartbeat. Efficient top PG with a championship pedigree and given the current salaries in the NBA that contract becomes one hell of an asset.

If this team has taught me anything, it's not to get my hopes up, but holy crap would that be a great trade.

I think you end up seeing Kyrie to the Spurs for Aldrudge

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4 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

If Kyrie gets moved, he forfeits the right to a Supermax in 2019. Is Lebron really that hard to deal with?

You gotta understand it's never Lebron's fault.  First time in Cleveland it was the rest of the team's fault, In Miami it was Spoelstra and now it's Kyrie

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In all seriousness, though, what a great opportunity for Cleveland. LeBron's been doing this thing where he pretends not to understand how the salary cap works and that the reason the Cavs haven't made any moves is because they can't so he can keep open the option of bolting after this year without looking like a dick. Now they're being 'forced' to move their one overvalued asset. This was basically their one clear path to get better. They'll **** it up because they are dumb, as most NBA teams are basically dumb, but man what a lucky break.

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48 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

In all seriousness, though, what a great opportunity for Cleveland. LeBron's been doing this thing where he pretends not to understand how the salary cap works and that the reason the Cavs haven't made any moves is because they can't so he can keep open the option of bolting after this year without looking like a dick. Now they're being 'forced' to move their one overvalued asset. This was basically their one clear path to get better. They'll **** it up because they are dumb, as most NBA teams are basically dumb, but man what a lucky break.

Get better under the assumption Lebron goes to LA right?

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2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Get better under the assumption Lebron goes to LA right?

No. I mean whatever they realistically get for Kyrie is better than Kyrie right now. They have no cap dollars and no other overvalued assets. How else were they going to make the team better for the coming season?

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20 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

No. I mean whatever they realistically get for Kyrie is better than Kyrie right now. They have no cap dollars and no other overvalued assets. How else were they going to make the team better for the coming season?

The Cavs aren't getting fair value for Kyrie.  He's a top 15 player with a team friendly contract

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Knicks gave Dotson a 3-year deal with first 2 guaranteed. Nicely done. That dude looked really good in summer league. I think he turns into at least a great bench player by the end of the year.

I hope the Knicks stay with their 2nd round/UDFA philosophies from the past 7-8 years. They have had some luck with it (Fields, Willy, Kuz, Galloway...etc), which is all you can hope for after the top 25 picks in the draft. Mature foreign players or Americans who played through their senior years, that's definitely the way to go. Lands you immediate contributors on the cheap.

No idea how Ntilkina pans out but IMO Dotson and Hayes (who got a camp invite) will be decent. I will be surprised if we don't keep the Serb, he looked solid in SL too.

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17 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Knicks gave Dotson a 3-year deal with first 2 guaranteed. Nicely done. That dude looked really good in summer league. I think he turns into at least a great bench player by the end of the year.

I hope the Knicks stay with their 2nd round/UDFA philosophies from the past 7-8 years. They have had some luck with it (Fields, Willy, Kuz, Galloway...etc), which is all you can hope for after the top 25 picks in the draft. Mature foreign players or Americans who played through their senior years, that's definitely the way to go. Lands you immediate contributors on the cheap.

No idea how Ntilkina pans out but IMO Dotson and Hayes (who got a camp invite) will be decent. I will be surprised if we don't keep the Serb, he looked solid in SL too.

For all the flack Phil got he built a solid foundation for the future in the draft and rookie FA. KP, Hernangomez, Kuzminskas, Ntilinkina, Baker, Jaramez and Dotson.  

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1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said:

OKC has made a bunch of weird trades with future firsts. I don't know if we could even get picks from them. So that means what: Kantor's deal and Abrines or something?

Yeah, I don't know if OKC can offer anything of value for Melo or anyone else for that matter. 

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51 minutes ago, SMC said:

Yeah, I don't know if OKC can offer anything of value for Melo or anyone else for that matter. 

On the flipside the twitterverse is saying a Houston deal is imminent this week, maybe even by tomorrow night. Wonder if the Kyrie and OKC stuff got Morey's ass in gear.

 

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3 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

On the flipside the twitterverse is saying a Houston deal is imminent this week, maybe even by tomorrow night. Wonder if the Kyrie and OKC stuff got Morey's ass in gear.

 

Any substance behind this, or just the internet calling it 'imminent'? I mean, I think it's really the only one that works; even if it doesn't seem to make the most sense.

Melo for Kyrie makes sense financially, but Melo is not going to waive his no trade clause to play for a Kyrie-less Cle. He wants a legit PG. OKC doesn't make sense financially, nor does it make sense for him as a ball dominant player to play with Russ and George. 

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6 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Any substance behind this, or just the internet calling it 'imminent'? I mean, I think it's really the only one that works; even if it doesn't seem to make the most sense.

Melo for Kyrie makes sense financially, but Melo is not going to waive his no trade clause to play for a Kyrie-less Cle. He wants a legit PG. OKC doesn't make sense financially, nor does it make sense for him as a ball dominant player to play with Russ and George. 

Disagree.  Melo has wanted to play for Lebron for years and Lebron would be the PG anyway with Melo banging in the paint

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54 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Any substance behind this, or just the internet calling it 'imminent'? I mean, I think it's really the only one that works; even if it doesn't seem to make the most sense.

Melo for Kyrie makes sense financially, but Melo is not going to waive his no trade clause to play for a Kyrie-less Cle. He wants a legit PG. OKC doesn't make sense financially, nor does it make sense for him as a ball dominant player to play with Russ and George. 

Yeah, Kurt Helin this AM. Some guy named Burt Steele (awesome name) also is saying by tomorrow night, and he's supposedly personal friends with Morey and also leaked the CP3 deal a few days before it was announced.

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2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Yeah, Kurt Helin this AM. Some guy named Burt Steele (awesome name) also is saying by tomorrow night, and he's supposedly personal friends with Morey and also leaked the CP3 deal a few days before it was announced.

Almost on par with Buck Naked.

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