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http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick

Just some telling statistics from this season. Yes, I will be cherrypicking the bad ones, partly due to nothing being impressive. This is more for people to see his how he tends to do in certain situations rather than prove he's bad. We all know he's bad. Look at these stats and take a look at 2015, all significant drop offs. It's also always interesting to see where QBs are excelling/struggling - that's why I like the splits page on espn.

 

Fitz is completing just 42.4% of his passes that travel 11+ yards in the air. Shocking the dump offs statistics made him seem like a competent QB in completion %. He's completing 66% of passes 10 yds and under.

On 3rd down with less than 3 yards to go, Fitz is completing 33% of his passes, with an average of 1.08 yards. He has been targeting routes that do not reach the LOS consistently all season, missing them, and not giving the offense a chance by doing this. This came as no surprise.

With 4+ WRs on the field, he 52.8% of his passes, 1 TD and 9 INTs with 4 taken sacks. Keep in mind this has been 64.3% of the time he's throwing the ball. Obviously, Enunwa playing HBack plays a part, but man, the more options, the worse for Fitz. You can make the argument that he has less time with more WRs on the field, and is more susceptible to blitzes, but this is bad, and it was a problem last year as well. Took 17 sacks all last season, 15 came from when he had  4+ WRs on the field.

1st half: 63.4% 7.98 avg, 6 TDs 1 INT. 2nd Half: 52% 5.34 avg, 0 TDs and 10 INTs. Nothing really to say here.

 

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
TOTAL 136 237 1,561 57.4 6.59 41 6 11 12 66.4 17 73 4.3 12 0
HOME 51 90 570 56.7 6.33 41 4 4 8 72.0 7 19 2.7 9 0
AWAY 85 147 991 57.8 6.74 37 2 7 4 63.1 10 54 5.4 12 0
BY OUTCOME CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
IN WINS/TIES 33 48 494 68.8 10.29 37 2 0 4 116.1 6 20 3.3 10 0
IN LOSSES 103 189 1,067 54.5 5.65 41 4 11 8 53.8 11 53 4.8 12 0
BY VICTORY MARGIN CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
FINAL MARGIN 0-7 43 69 563 62.3 8.16 37 3 1 2 96.5 9 36 4.0 10 0
FINAL MARGIN 8-14 32 55 381 58.2 6.93 41 2 3 7 68.8 3 4 1.3 3 0
FINAL MARGIN 15+ 61 113 617 54.0 5.46 36 1 7 3 47.0 5 33 6.6 12 0
BY CLOSE CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
4TH QTR, +/-7 PTS 8 14 152 57.1 10.86 35 0 2 0 55.4 3 13 4.3 9 0
LAST 2 MIN. HALF 12 27 139 44.4 5.15 23 2 3 0 45.7 3 1 0.3 3 0
BY SEASON GAMES CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Season Games (1-8) 136 237 1,561 57.4 6.59 41 6 11 12 66.4 17 73 4.3 12 0
BY MONTH CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
SEPTEMBER 63 113 751 55.8 6.65 37 3 7 2 59.3 12 58 4.8 12 0
OCTOBER 73 124 810 58.9 6.53 41 3 4 10 73.0 5 15 3.0 9 0
BY DAY OF WEEK CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
SUNDAY 96 172 1,013 55.8 5.89 41 5 10 11 58.6 11 50 4.5 12 0
MONDAY 16 31 174 51.6 5.61 36 0 1 0 55.0 1 2 2.0 2 0
OTHER 24 34 374 70.6 11.00 37 1 0 1 116.5 5 21 4.2 10 0
BY SURFACE CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
ON GRASS 61 113 617 54.0 5.46 36 1 7 3 47.0 5 33 6.6 12 0
ON TURF 75 124 944 60.5 7.61 41 5 4 9 84.2 12 40 3.3 10 0
BY LOCATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
OUTDOORS 120 206 1,387 58.3 6.73 41 6 10 12 68.2 16 71 4.4 12 0
INDOORS 16 31 174 51.6 5.61 36 0 1 0 55.0 1 2 2.0 2 0
BY DEPTH CHART CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
AS STARTER 127 223 1,441 57.0 6.46 41 5 11 9 63.4 16 74 4.6 12 0
AS SUB 9 14 120 64.3 8.57 31 1 0 3 115.2 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
BY GROUP CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
vs AFC 97 165 1,126 58.8 6.82 37 5 7 8 71.9 14 66 4.7 12 0
vs NFC 39 72 435 54.2 6.04 41 1 4 4 53.9 3 7 2.3 3 0
vs. Own Division 24 34 374 70.6 11.00 37 1 0 1 116.5 5 21 4.2 10 0
BY OPPONENT CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
VS. ARI 16 31 174 51.6 5.61 36 0 1 0 55.0 1 2 2.0 2 0
VS. BAL 9 14 120 64.3 8.57 31 1 0 3 115.2 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
VS. BUF 24 34 374 70.6 11.00 37 1 0 1 116.5 5 21 4.2 10 0
VS. CIN 19 35 189 54.3 5.40 24 2 1 1 77.0 4 15 3.8 9 0
VS. KC 20 44 188 45.5 4.27 31 0 6 0 18.2 3 22 7.3 12 0
VS. PIT 25 38 255 65.8 6.71 19 1 0 3 93.6 1 9 9.0 9 0
VS. SEA 23 41 261 56.1 6.37 41 1 3 4 53.0 2 5 2.5 3 0
BY HALF CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
1ST HALF 71 112 894 63.4 7.98 41 6 1 3 102.3 10 51 5.1 12 0
2ND HALF 65 125 667 52.0 5.34 35 0 10 9 34.3 7 22 3.1 9 0
BY QUARTER CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
QUARTER = 1 31 53 378 58.5 7.13 41 1 1 2 79.0 6 41 6.8 12 0
QUARTER = 2 40 59 516 67.8 8.75 37 5 0 1 123.3 4 10 2.5 6 0
QUARTER = 3 35 62 311 56.5 5.02 31 0 2 6 56.6 1 0 0.0 0 0
QUARTER = 4 30 63 356 47.6 5.65 35 0 8 3 25.7 6 22 3.7 9 0
BY PASS ATTEMPTS CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Attempts 1-10 of game 42 70 550 60.0 7.86 41 2 1 0 88.4 17 73 4.3 12 0
Attempts 11-20 of game 43 64 489 67.2 7.64 28 4 0 0 110.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
Attempts 21-30 of game 31 60 297 51.7 4.95 31 0 3 0 44.9 0 0 0.0 0 0
Attempts 31-40 of game 20 43 225 46.5 5.23 35 0 7 0 23.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
BY RUSH ATTEMPTS CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Runs of 10+ yards 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.0 2 22 11.0 12 0
BY DOWN CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
DOWN = 1 OVERALL 49 83 568 59.0 6.84 37 5 2 6 89.8 7 17 2.4 9 0
DOWN = 2 OVERALL 48 84 547 57.1 6.51 31 1 5 2 56.0 5 31 6.2 9 0
DOWN = 3 OVERALL 36 66 437 54.5 6.62 41 0 3 4 56.2 5 25 5.0 12 0
DOWN = 4 OVERALL 3 4 9 75.0 2.25 7 0 1 0 37.5 0 0 0.0 0 0
BY DOWN AND LENGTH CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
First down plays with 10 yards to go 45 72 513 62.5 7.13 37 3 2 6 86.2 5 6 1.2 3 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 17 31 199 54.8 6.42 88 0 3 1 34.9 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 3-8 yards to go 16 25 223 64.0 8.92 124 0 1 3 75.9 2 12 6.0 12 0
3rd (or 4th) down and 1-2 yards to go 6 14 24 42.9 1.71 19 0 0 0 50.3 2 14 7.0 14 0
BY DOWN AND DISTANCE CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
DOWN = 1 TO GO 3-7 3 7 44 42.9 6.29 39 2 0 0 103.6 1 2 2.0 2 0
DOWN = 1 TO GO 8-10 45 72 513 62.5 7.13 37 3 2 6 86.2 5 6 1.2 3 0
DOWN = 1 TO GO 11+ 1 4 11 25.0 2.75 11 0 0 0 39.6 1 9 9.0 9 0
DOWN = 1 TO GO <6 3 6 44 50.0 7.33 39 2 0 0 113.9 1 2 2.0 2 0
DOWN = 1 TO GO 6+ 46 77 524 59.7 6.81 48 3 2 6 82.4 6 15 2.5 12 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO 1-2 2 5 30 40.0 6.00 30 0 1 0 20.8 1 4 4.0 4 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO 3-7 18 27 216 66.7 8.00 105 0 3 2 51.4 1 4 4.0 4 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO 8-10 14 31 145 45.2 4.68 64 1 1 0 56.5 3 23 7.7 17 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO 11+ 14 21 156 66.7 7.43 85 0 0 0 88.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO <6 13 20 165 65.0 8.25 90 0 2 0 51.0 1 4 4.0 4 0
DOWN = 2 TO GO 6+ 35 64 382 54.7 5.97 194 1 3 2 58.2 4 27 6.8 21 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 1-2 4 12 13 33.3 1.08 12 0 0 0 42.4 2 14 7.0 14 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 3-7 12 19 152 63.2 8.00 83 0 1 2 66.1 2 12 6.0 12 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 8-10 14 23 229 60.9 9.96 102 0 2 2 58.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 11+ 6 12 43 50.0 3.58 29 0 0 0 58.7 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO <6 11 23 82 47.8 3.57 49 0 0 1 56.8 2 14 7.0 14 0
DOWN = 3 TO GO 6+ 25 43 355 58.1 8.26 177 0 3 3 55.9 3 11 3.7 11 0
DOWN = 4 TO GO 1-2 2 2 11 100.0 5.50 7 0 0 0 89.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
DOWN = 4 TO GO 8-10 1 2 -2 50.0 -1.00 -2 0 1 0 16.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
DOWN = 4 TO GO <6 2 2 11 100.0 5.50 7 0 0 0 89.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
DOWN = 4 TO GO 6+ 1 2 -2 50.0 -1.00 -2 0 1 0 16.7 0 0 0.0 0 0
BY PT DIFF CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
WHEN WINNING 24 38 345 63.2 9.08 41 1 0 2 101.3 4 0 0.0 2 0
WHEN TRAILING 95 170 1,025 55.9 6.03 37 4 10 8 57.1 8 34 4.3 9 0
WHEN TIED 17 29 191 58.6 6.59 34 1 1 2 75.5 5 39 7.8 12 0
BY WINNING PT DIFF CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Ahead by 9-16 Points 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.0 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
Ahead by 1-8 Points 24 38 345 63.2 9.08 41 1 0 2 101.3 3 1 0.3 2 0
BY LOSING PT DIFF CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Behind by 1-8 Points 52 82 592 63.4 7.22 37 3 2 6 87.0 4 19 4.8 9 0
Behind by 9-16 Points 26 57 278 45.6 4.88 31 1 6 1 26.7 4 15 3.8 8 0
BY PLAY DIRECTION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
RIGHT SIDE 18 35 154 51.4 4.40 24 1 3 0 37.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
LEFT SIDE 32 49 370 65.3 7.55 36 0 2 0 71.0 0 0 0.0 0 0
MIDDLE 23 37 285 62.2 7.70 31 0 0 0 86.0 11 58 5.3 12 0
LEFT SIDELINE 30 50 335 60.0 6.70 34 3 2 0 83.3 2 8 4.0 6 0
RIGHT SIDELINE 22 49 284 44.9 5.80 41 1 4 0 36.4 1 9 9.0 9 0
BY PASS PLAY CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Pass Thrown Behind Line of Scrimmage 30 40 176 75.0 4.40 24 0 0 0 82.9 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 59 95 498 62.1 5.24 17 1 4 0 61.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 30 66 571 45.5 8.65 41 4 7 0 56.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 6 14 183 42.9 13.07 37 0 0 0 89.9 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 0 5 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
BY FIELD POSITION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
OWN 1-20 18 27 218 66.7 8.07 41 0 1 2 75.8 3 13 4.3 12 0
OWN 21-50 68 117 846 58.1 7.23 37 0 5 4 62.8 6 17 2.8 9 0
OPP 49-20 38 63 418 60.3 6.64 26 0 1 5 73.4 6 37 6.2 10 0
OPP 19-GOAL 12 30 79 40.0 2.63 17 6 4 1 47.9 2 6 3.0 4 0
OPP 10-GOAL 4 16 12 25.0 0.75 5 2 2 0 39.6 2 6 3.0 4 0
BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Shotgun 112 203 1,149 55.2 5.66 41 3 11 6 54.0 14 73 5.2 12 0
Lone Setback 93 168 1,075 55.4 6.40 41 5 9 6 62.5 11 55 5.0 12 0
BY WR FORMATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
2 Wide Receivers 13 17 226 76.5 13.29 36 2 0 2 157.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
3 Wide Receivers 39 64 450 60.9 7.03 37 2 2 2 79.6 5 30 6.0 9 0
4+ Wide Receivers 75 142 765 52.8 5.39 41 1 9 4 44.5 10 45 4.5 12 0
BY TE FORMATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
0 Tight Ends 66 129 658 51.2 5.10 41 1 9 4 39.5 10 43 4.3 12 0
1 Tight End 48 78 557 61.5 7.14 37 2 2 3 81.0 5 32 6.4 9 0
2 Tight Ends 13 16 226 81.3 14.13 36 2 0 1 158.3 0 0 0.0 0 0
3+ Tight Ends 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.0 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0
BY OFFENSIVE MOTION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
No Offensive Motion 121 215 1,372 56.3 6.38 37 5 11 9 62.0 16 74 4.6 12 0
Offensive Motion 6 8 69 75.0 8.63 41 0 0 0 100.5 0 0 0.0 0 0
BY DEFENSIVE MOTION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
Blitz 24 41 311 58.5 7.59 41 1 1 4 80.4 0 0 0.0 0 0
< 3 on Def. Line 127 223 1,441 57.0 6.46 41 5 11 9 63.4 16 74 4.6 12 0

 

 

These are easier to read when you click the link.

 

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Thanks for driving it home!

 

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This is my favorite stat to illustrate how terrible he is:

"Under pressure this season, Fitzpatrick has completed only 42.6 percent of his passes, for an average of 4.8 yards per attempt and a passer rating of 35.7. To be clear, his passer rating under pressure is worse than if he had just thrown the ball to the turf every snap, and that doesn’t even factor in the yards lost due to sacks."

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Yikes. We certainly did not need to spend $12MM for this. I am sure Hack can do this

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The INTs are a bit of an outlier because he threw 6 in one game.

Still, if you take those away, he's mediocre, which is what he is.

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2 hours ago, JiF said:

This is my favorite stat to illustrate how terrible he is:

"Under pressure this season, Fitzpatrick has completed only 42.6 percent of his passes, for an average of 4.8 yards per attempt and a passer rating of 35.7. To be clear, his passer rating under pressure is worse than if he had just thrown the ball to the turf every snap, and that doesn’t even factor in the yards lost due to sacks."

But Matt Forte is the reason we can't run the ball.

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All this, and the retarded coaches still weren't using Forte in the passing game. Unreal.

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10 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said:

But Matt Forte is the reason we can't run the ball.

If you wanted to run the ball, Matt Forte wasn't the guy to sign. He stopped being effective as a runner 2 years ago. He's a WR. His primary role should be catching 8 balls a game from the gimp-armed QB. I've been saying it since summer. AHHHHH!!!!!

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2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The INTs are a bit of an outlier because he threw 6 in one game.

Still, if you take those away, he's mediocre, which is what he is.

He is bad not medocre

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

If you wanted to run the ball, Matt Forte wasn't the guy to sign. He stopped being effective as a runner 2 years ago. He's a WR. His primary role should be catching 8 balls a game from the gimp-armed QB. I've been saying it since summer. AHHHHH!!!!!

He's certainly not what he was, but alas, the game where Fitz wasn't the QB, the running game opened up against a top 5 run defense. Forte is not the problem. Teams are stacking the box and clearly daring Fitz to throw, and it's been working. 

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4 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said:

He's certainly not what he was, but alas, the game where Fitz wasn't the QB, the running game opened up against a top 5 run defense. Forte is not the problem. Teams are stacking the box and clearly daring Fitz to throw, and it's been working. 

Thank you!!

How is it that folks have been watching games for years and they don't understand that a poor QB and their rotten play can ruin a run game!!!

Just the thought that Geno might throw down field opened up the run game against Baltimore!!!

Which...

Effects the TOP...which

Impacts the defense and makes them, the defense, more effective....

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1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

He is bad not medocre

His record is bad. His career stats are mediocre.

60 percent passer and more TDs than INTs.

That moves you out of the bad area

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2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

All this, and the retarded coaches still weren't using Forte in the passing game. Unreal.

Too busy running him up the gut on 1st down every time we get the ball back.

Hey, eventually it'll work. And just think how smart they'll look when it does!

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Man, I wish I could remember the types of teams Fitzpatrick eked out wins against last year during that 5-1 finish and how they compare the the types of teams he is losing to this year during this 2-5 start.

I mean, were those 6 teams last year like bad or something?  Or like maybe the teams we faced this year were really good or something?  Did I read something in the offseason that said the Jets were facing like 5 playoff teams in 6 weeks with like 4 of those games on the road?

Nah, it must just be that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the reason the Jets are a bad football team and would have nothing to do with the level of competition, the coaching, the defense, the schedule, Decker missing.  Silly me.

SAR I

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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Man, I wish I could remember the types of teams Fitzpatrick eked out wins against last year during that 5-1 finish and how they compare the the types of teams he is losing to this year during this 2-5 start.

I mean, were those 6 teams last year like bad or something?  Or like maybe the teams we faced this year were really good or something?  Did I read something in the offseason that said the Jets were facing like 5 playoff teams in 6 weeks with like 4 of those games on the road?

Nah, it must just be that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the reason the Jets are a bad football team and would have nothing to do with the level of competition, the coaching, the defense, the schedule, Decker missing.  Silly me.

SAR I

SAR , stop, its over, there's no more defending Fitzpatrick. Its time for all of us to reunite under the Petty banner.

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Hopefully the Browns make Fitzpatrick play poorly so we can get the ball rolling towards his benching (again). Hopefully he doesn't use his voodoo to regain the job by hurting one of the kids. 

 

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10 hours ago, RaoulDuke said:

 2nd Half:

0 TDs

10 INTs

Rating: 34.3

 

Man he sucks

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What bothers me most is that all of you claim to have seen this coming, are fed up with this player, and can't believe he got that much money and that many games this season. Isn't that more of an indictment of the front office to give him that money and on the coaches for giving him that much rope to hang the season with? Fitz isn't the Jets starting QB without people who are running the franchise saying so. Fitz isn't a Jet next season. Mac and Bowles aren't going anywhere. I think that's a little bit more disconcerting than the stats of a journeyman QB. 

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8 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What bothers me most is that all of you claim to have seen this coming, are fed up with this player, and can't believe he got that much money and that many games this season. Isn't that more of an indictment of the front office to give him that money and on the coaches for giving him that much rope to hang the season with? Fitz isn't the Jets starting QB without people who are running the franchise saying so. Fitz isn't a Jet next season. Mac and Bowles aren't going anywhere. I think that's a little bit more disconcerting than the stats of a journeyman QB. 

Why can't these things all be disturbing? 

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7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What bothers me most is that all of you claim to have seen this coming, are fed up with this player, and can't believe he got that much money and that many games this season. Isn't that more of an indictment of the front office to give him that money and on the coaches for giving him that much rope to hang the season with? Fitz isn't the Jets starting QB without people who are running the franchise saying so. Fitz isn't a Jet next season. Mac and Bowles aren't going anywhere. I think that's a little bit more disconcerting than the stats of a journeyman QB. 

Most importantly, I think everyone on the board is ready to move on.  He sucked.  Geno sucks.  As I said to somebody earlier, it's like arguing over which is better, ebola or the plague.  

Our QB's suck.  Plain and simple.  

As far as I'm concerned, the most important thing about this season is how well Petty and Hack play when their time comes.  Do we really need more threads about Fitz or Geno?

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6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Why can't these things all be disturbing? 

They are but there is a track record and expectations with one. The other two we all had higher aspirations for.  

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it's a given that Fitz won't be back next year - so wouldn't it be prudent to see if the guys we have on the roster can play, or at least give them experience?

 

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16 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

All this, and the retarded coaches still weren't using Forte in the passing game. Unreal.

I find that amazing.  I actually thought pas catching was the main reason for bringing a 30+ RB here.

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4 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

They are but there is a track record and expectations with one. The other two we all had higher aspirations for.  

Nope. That's revisionist. Heard all offseason about how great of a season "one" had in 2015, how re-signing him was a no brainer (so long as it wasn't for Bradford/Osweiller money), how he gave us the best chance to win (i.e. get us to a Super Bowl), how $12M for him wasn't bad considering how much a bunch of actually-talented QBs make, how we're to look at how his career parallels that of Rich Gannon, how we owe it to Fitz as back pay because he only made $3.5M last year, the celebrations over Maccagnan "getting 'er done" finally, etc. 

No, I think now playing the "yeah well we knew this all along" song is for the block of fans that didn't want him back in the first place, and whose line in the sand was backup money. 

He stinks. Not being the only Jet stinking doesn't absolve him from being such, nor does it absolve those many vocal fans whose desire to see him back helped pressure the Jets into re-signing him.

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