Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Even if Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg end up being the "real deal" for the Jets, there's no arguing against the value of having a top pick, particularly in the top 2. Three times in the last 5 years we've seen teams trade enormous draft capital in order to acquire a top 2 pick, with 2 of those deals happening last season. For the rights to take Jared Goff last year, the Rams made a deal with the Titans in which they gave up the # 15 pick in 2016, their 2017 1st round pick, two 2016 2nd rounders, a 2016 3rd rounder and a 2017 3rd rounder. That kind of trade is what should give the Titans such a surge of talent in the next 3 years that perhaps they'll become the best team in the AFC South for years to come. Thus, while it's all too easy to celebrate a victory over the Ravens last week, the consequence of that loss was the Jets falling backwards in the race for the top selection next season. Here's how we stand, with strength of schedule tiebreakers and "net points" included: 1. Cleveland Browns 2016 record: 0-7 (.542) Net Points: - 77 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 1st 2. San Francisco 49ers 2016 record: 1-6 (.533) Net Points: - 75 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 2nd 3. Chicago Bears 2016 record: 1-6 (.578) Net Points: - 58 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 4th 4. Carolina Panthers 2016 record: 1-5 (.513) Net Points: - 15 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 9th 5. New York Jets2016 record: 2-5 (.553) Net Points: - 61 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 3rd 6. Jacksonville Jaguars 2016 record: 2-4 (.463) Net Points: - 43 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 5th 7. New Orleans Saints 2016 record: 2-4 (.525) Net Points: - 19 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 8th 8. Baltimore Ravens 2016 record: 3-4 (.438) Net Points: - 6 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: Not Top 10 9. Indianapolis Colts 2016 record: 3-4 (.458) Net Points: - 6 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 10th 10. Tennessee Titans 2016 record: 3-4 (.500) Net Points: - 15 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 7th Expected to enter Top 10 by season's end: Rams (6th: pick goes to Tennessee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscanes331 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Man when we throw up a duck vs the browns these are all invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 What pick did we have before the raven game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 6-10 and a CB here we come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Difference is, there are no QBs that will merit a king's ransom in a trade up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 17 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? Well Shuler was a 3rd Rd pick and a damn good one. You are wrong on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The Jets are not even going to be close to getting the number 1 pick. The remainder of the schedule is actually quite easy other than the 2 NE games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I get how awful the record is today bu I also don't see us picking anywhere near the top spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: I get how awful the record is today bu I also don't see us picking anywhere near the top spot. Absolutely! We had a brutal schedule to start, the remainder of the season resembles last year's schedule. This team is going to win their share of games. I for one am not giving up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 31 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? Why is Mickey Shuler and Vernon Gholston in the same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I get how awful the record is today bu I also don't see us picking anywhere near the top spot. This - the Jets will pick anywhere from 12-18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The Jets don't understand the draft so does it really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 hour ago, southparkcpa said: The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? You mean the Mickey Shuler who is 3rd all time in Jets receiving? The Mickey Shuler who was the anchor at TE for 14 years on the Jets? The Mickey Shuler who was a two time Pro Bowler? Okay - I'll take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 31 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: This - the Jets will pick anywhere from 12-18. I'm happy picking in that range if we come away with Dalvin Cook or Cam Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 55 minutes ago, Ken Shroy said: Well Shuler was a 3rd Rd pick and a damn good one. You are wrong on him. Jake Butt, get him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Difference is, there are no QBs that will merit a king's ransom in a trade up this year. So, ummm....you had Wentz identified this time last year? I certainly didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 What pick did we have before the raven game I don't think the Ravens game changed our position at all. But if we had lost we may have moved up in the draft order.Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Ken Shroy said: Well Shuler was a 3rd Rd pick and a damn good one. You are wrong on him. 1 hour ago, Obrien2Toon said: Why is Mickey Shuler and Vernon Gholston in the same sentence 39 minutes ago, FloridaJetsFan said: You mean the Mickey Shuler who is 3rd all time in Jets receiving? The Mickey Shuler who was the anchor at TE for 14 years on the Jets? The Mickey Shuler who was a two time Pro Bowler? Okay - I'll take him. Im working too hard. I meant Kyle Brady. For some reason I can't edit it so yes, Im a doosh, Loved Shuler. I meant Kyle Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 6-10 and a CB here we come And just maybe it will be the next revis. Lets just pray it is not another Wilson or milliner.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Difference is, there are no QBs that will merit a king's ransom in a trade up this year. This time last year that would have been said about this last class. I don't think wentz was in first round discussion this time last year.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 hours ago, southparkcpa said: The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? Shuler? Should have went with Roger Vick of Mike Haight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 hours ago, southparkcpa said: The next Mickey Shuler , Vernon Gholsten awaits. ? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 hours ago, jamesr said: Difference is, there are no QBs that will merit a king's ransom in a trade up this year. Are you sure about that? No one ever thought that about Carson Wentz until mere weeks or even days before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, greenwave81 said: So, ummm....you had Wentz identified this time last year? I certainly didn't ninja'd, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, jamesr said: I don't think the Ravens game changed our position at all. But if we had lost we may have moved up in the draft order. I believe you are correct. Had we lost to Baltimore we'd currently be slotted in 3rd, since we statistically have had a weaker schedule compared to the Bears at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Ken Shroy said: Well Shuler was a 3rd Rd pick and a damn good one. You are wrong on him. +1 How could anyone criticize Mickey Shuler? Shuler was a heck of a player. I think the op meant to refer to Kyle Brady, not Mickey Shuler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Even if Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg end up being the "real deal" for the Jets, there's no arguing against the value of having a top pick, particularly in the top 2. Three times in the last 5 years we've seen teams trade enormous draft capital in order to acquire a top 2 pick, with 2 of those deals happening last season. For the rights to take Jared Goff last year, the Rams made a deal with the Titans in which they gave up the # 15 pick in 2016, their 2017 1st round pick, two 2016 2nd rounders, a 2016 3rd rounder and a 2017 3rd rounder. That kind of trade is what should give the Titans such a surge of talent in the next 3 years that perhaps they'll become the best team in the AFC South for years to come. Thus, while it's all too easy to celebrate a victory over the Ravens last week, the consequence of that loss was the Jets falling backwards in the race for the top selection next season. Here's how we stand, with strength of schedule tiebreakers and "net points" included: 1. Cleveland Browns 2016 record: 0-7 (.542) Net Points: - 77 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 1st 2. San Francisco 49ers 2016 record: 1-6 (.533) Net Points: - 75 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 2nd 3. Chicago Bears 2016 record: 1-6 (.578) Net Points: - 58 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 4th 4. Carolina Panthers 2016 record: 1-5 (.513) Net Points: - 15 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 9th 5. New York Jets2016 record: 2-5 (.553) Net Points: - 61 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 3rd 6. Jacksonville Jaguars 2016 record: 2-4 (.463) Net Points: - 43 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 5th 7. New Orleans Saints 2016 record: 2-4 (.525) Net Points: - 19 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 8th 8. Baltimore Ravens 2016 record: 3-4 (.438) Net Points: - 6 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: Not Top 10 9. Indianapolis Colts 2016 record: 3-4 (.458) Net Points: - 6 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 10th 10. Tennessee Titans 2016 record: 3-4 (.500) Net Points: - 15 Predicted Top 10 Pick Slot: 7th Expected to enter Top 10 by season's end: Rams (6th: pick goes to Tennessee) What a dumb post. If you think one pick or trading for picks is Gona solve all the jets problems I Gota. Bridge to sell you. Root to win. Stop being an asshat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 How bad would the Harvard Interception machine like to have a TE like Mickey Shuler to throw to? That is what we are missing so desperately on offense. I think the op meant to refer to Kyle Brady, not Mickey Shuler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, ASH1962 said: How bad would the Harvard Interception machine like to have a TE like Mickey Shuler to throw to? That is what we are missing so desperately on offense (besides the QB). I think the op meant to refer to Kyle Brady, not Mickey Shuler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: What a dumb post. If you think one pick or trading for picks is Gona solve all the jets problems I Gota. Bridge to sell you. Root to win. Stop being an asshat Why not? If we had 6 first rounders to work with in a 3-year period, or 5 first rounders and a bunch of 2nds and 3rds, don't you think that would do a lot to solve all of our problems? Or do you not build through the draft? Or we could, you know, use said top pick to get a franchise QB. Something we haven't had since Namath or maybe Ken O'Brien. We've never "tanked properly", and it always works against us. Always. "Rooting to win" is a great thought, but it doesn't work. Either you need to be a true contender or you need to tank. 7-9 doesn't ever cut it in either direction. The NFL has become the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Must lose on Sunday. It will be tough since Browns are playing a first time ever QB vs the Jets. This will be Browns 6th QB for the season..A win this week by Gang Green will seriously put the #1 pick in the draft in doubt. We need Fitz to throw a triple INT performance to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Why not? If we had 6 first rounders to work with in a 3-year period, or 5 first rounders and a bunch of 2nds and 3rds, don't you think that would do a lot to solve all of our problems? Or do you not build through the draft? Or we could, you know, use said top pick to get a franchise QB. Something we haven't had since Namath or maybe Ken O'Brien. We've never "tanked properly", and it always works against us. Always. "Rooting to win" is a great thought, but it doesn't work. Either you need to be a true contender or you need to tank. 7-9 doesn't ever cut it in either direction. The NFL has become the NBA. When have the patriots tanked? Yet they seem to make good picks like the Packers and steelers. Team likes Cleveland Titans and Rams have been drafting high for years and it hasn't taken them very far. Win baby win, you play to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: When have the patriots tanked? Yet they seem to make good picks like the Packers and steelers. Team likes Cleveland Titans and Rams have been drafting high for years and it hasn't taken them very far. Win baby win, you play to win Helps to have a HOF QB and Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 hours ago, jamesr said: Difference is, there are no QBs that will merit a king's ransom in a trade up this year. Jared Goff didn't, yet it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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