Step 1: Fix the Organizational Structure

[varjet]

8 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

I don't imply that at all.

Promoting Tannenbaum was a popular move at the time. Bradway was seen as a poor negotiator, but a good scout. Tanny was the young hot shot who created the poison pill that got us Curtis Martin. He did pretty well his first couple of seasons with Mangini. Then he bought into Rex's brash stupidity, and it all went downhill.

Idzik's reign of error was 100% on Woody. He should have fired Rex when he fired Tannenbaum (he bought into Rex's tough guy routine also). Having the head coaching position vacant would have attracted better front office talent. 

Rex went to 2 AFCCG in a row.  TWO.   That was a tremendous accomplishment for this team.  When were they that good before?  2 Parcells years.  O'Brien, McNeil and the Sack Exchange.  Namath.  The team to this day is on the tail end of that success.

But that is my point.  How did the Jets experience success before with Woody?  When they had someone who really knew football.  Mangini and Tannenbaum drafted building block players, and then Rex and Tanny were able to put in some key FA pieces to be successful.  When all the contracts blew up, the braintrust could not fix it, and then Woody starting meddling and tinkering (Idzik, keep Ryan) and it just worse.

Idzik had the right idea.  But he royally screwed up too many draft picks, and Woody could not tolerate a total rebuild year.  He should have.

But key here is my other point that I will make:  Woody HATES to eat contracts, and he HATES to write big checks to coaches.  It is his money.  He will spend the required cap on players, but skimps on coaches and staff.  Thus, the first time head coaches, the first time GMs, and keeping Ryan around too long, and Bradway around too long.

Step 2 will request an overall step up in staff.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

This is the GM's job.  I suppose Wolfe and Casserly set it up this way because this is how Woody wants it.  I expect that the only hope is that over time Mac grows into his job and so Woody allows him more and more control.    

+1 

If the owner - for whatever reasons, stupid or otherwise - feels the need to step in and overrule his GM because things clearly aren't going as desired, then we need a new GM. Any fans' wishes aside, the team isn't getting a new owner anytime soon, so this would be the only remaining option. 

Of course, if this is actually happening now (and there's been no concrete evidence it is), and it's another reason we need a new GM, then I expect there to be a pretty short line of good candidates as our next replacement. 

So we're f***ed if he stays and we're f***ed if he's fired. Basically, we're f***ed.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, sourceworx said:

He did hire a football-minded GM. Mac was hired on Charley Casserly's recommendation, while Bowles was hired on Ron Wolf's approval.

There are two problems with the team at the moment:

1) They lack talent in a lot of key spots because the previous two GMs drafted very poorly

2) They have an impatient fanbase. Everyone wants to hire the hot coordinator du jour, who has never been a head coach at any level, and then they wonder why he makes mistakes.   

That is the wrong word. Jets fans have been very patient. Right now though new regimes pay for the sins of their Father. So it may be a fed up fan base. But I know I have been very patient for a long time. Others have been patient for longer.

[rex-n-effect]

I suspect Woody involves himself with the football side of things and that has a negative effect on the team as a whole. I do not believe Woody would tolerate a year of tanking no matter how good of a draft position it might create. When you spend money to the Jets you are telling Woody he is doing a good job and to keep it up. Think about that with the next jersey or ticket you buy.

That said, I am not sure the decision to hire Bowles independently of the GM was an intentional move to keep Woody involved in management or a matter of necessity because the team needed to fill both positions and did not have time to hire a GM and then give the GM time to hire a HC if he wanted a chance at a desirable candidate.

[Big Blocker]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

He invested in the NY Jets for starters its not like he bought a winning team he also built a stadium granted its a shared stadium its a new stadium. 

Having money to buy a team, and then buying it makes him a "solid owner"???

Well, at least we know what definition you are working with.

[kevinc855]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

One often overlooked aspect of the Jets' hiring of Macc and Bowles is that they both report to Woody directly.  In their Front Office Redo, the Jets moved on from the more traditional GM hires the coach structure.

Obviously, there are many ways to skin the cat, and how you structure really depends on who you have.  There are many teams with a GM who really knows his stuff and can run the entire football operation.  But in the Jets' case, although Woody has been a very supportive owner in terms of paying contracts and building facilities, many of us have questioned his "football judgment" and whether he has driven decisions for short-term commercial (tickets, beer, parking, PR) reasons as opposed to long-term football reasons.  Woody also knows no more about football than most of the posters on this board.

So, when you have a first year coach and GM, one would think a intermediate level sounding board/reality check would be appropriate.  Like a Football Chairman of the Board.  Not someone who is necessarily in the weeds active, but someone who could watch games and review personnel and provide Woody with additional input as to big football decisions.  A few examples of my suspicions and how someone could have helped.

• Bowles has been coaching awfully this year, although the last game, against a weaker opponent, was better.  Macc is not his boss-Macc could not sit him down and say, from how it looked in the box, they run Forte too much, Fitz locks on his targets, and SR has no business playing LB.   The only person who had the authority to intervene is Woody, who does not know football.  This makes no sense, although I suspect that it was Woody who told him to bench Fitz after paying him $12mm.  Bowles may have been otherwise afraid to to that.  That was the right football move, but it was obviously slower than any football expert would have expected.
• Macc knew signing Fitz for too much money was a bad idea.  My guess is that Macc knew the Revis contract was expensive.  It would be good if Macc too had someone to weigh in on football decisions.  

Who is this person?  Parcells?  Wolf?  Vermeil?  I don't know.  But having the GM and Coach report to Woody seems bad.  They need to report to someone focused solely on long-term football quality.

Next up-the Coaching Program.

 

Good thing you aren't a consultant, because you wouldn't be a very good one. You essentially described what a GM does. You are acting in total assumption that the evil man in the corner (Woody Johnson) is controlling more then you think. Mac made the decision to sign Fitz to 12 million for one year, ensuring its only 1 year, smart move. Todd Bowles won 10 games last year, hes not getting fired because the Jets started 2-5. We don't need to spend money on more suits, let Mac have more then 1 year before you question the whole management program.

[joewilly12]

17 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Having money to buy a team, and then buying it makes him a "solid owner"???

Well, at least we know what definition you are working with.

So if you had money would you invest it in the NY Jets?  Losing organization hasnt been in Super Bowl since 1969. 

Woody Johnson has roots here in NJ he could have easily kept his money or spent it elsewhere. 

[MaxAF]

Jury is still out on Mac in my book. The only red flag I see is Hack. He spent money in the LBers, WRers, Secondary, RB and QB. Like it or not signing Fitz was the safe move for him and the team. After the year Fitz had if Geno sucked everyone would be on him for not signing Fitz. If Fitz sucked, plan B....Geno and supporting cast. If Hack turns out to be a bust it was a bad move. If he winds up being a good starting QB, Mac is a genius.

[Gas2No99]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

OP: One often overlooked aspect of the Jets' hiring of Macc and Bowles is that they both report to Woody directly.  In their Front Office Redo, the Jets moved on from the more traditional GM hires the coach structure. . . . . . Who is this person?  Parcells?  Wolf?  Vermeil?  I don't know.  But having the GM and Coach report to Woody seems bad.  They need to report to someone focused solely on long-term football quality.

Next up-the Coaching Program.

 

I think you are COMPLETELY WRONG in your personal assessment of the structure. The structure is FINE and organized in the SAME WAY as most other franchises in the NFL. Both MUST answer to the Owner because he signs the checks. When you are financing assets (a team, players) you want to be damn sure that the person who acquires them - MacCags - and the person responsible for effectively applying those assets - Bowles - can provide rationale as to WHY this moves were made. The Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, and VaGiants have/had HCs report DIRECTLY to the owner along with the GM AND the Pres.Player Development all at once, so your ENTIRE premise is just wrong. Go tell those OTHER "winning" franchises they TOO should get an intermediary as a buffer to translate and consult the Owners. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Good thing you aren't a consultant, because you wouldn't be a very good one. You essentially described what a GM does. You are acting in total assumption that the evil man in the corner (Woody Johnson) is controlling more then you think. Mac made the decision to sign Fitz to 12 million for one year, ensuring its only 1 year, smart move. Todd Bowles won 10 games last year, hes not getting fired because the Jets started 2-5. We don't need to spend money on more suits, let Mac have more then 1 year before you question the whole management program.

 

+1 Solid Post. 

 

IF anything, when hiring a Bowles of Macc the Jets CHANGED their power structure to one that is MORE IN LINE with the rest of the NFL:

In hiring Maccagnan, the Jets have changed their power structure. He and Bowles will report directly to Johnson, who envisions the GM and coach as equal partners. Previously, the coach reported to the GM. Maccagnan will have control over the 53-man roster and final say on the draft; the coach will decide the weekly lineups.

Here's an article from 2014 explaining the Front Office Power Structure for EVERY TEAM  demonstrating WHY the OP is WRONG:

To get an idea of how unique a situation the Dolphins are trying to establish, we look at the power structures in place around the NFL.  Thanks to NFL.com's Albert Breer and a series of articles from June 2013, we can get a look at each team's situation.

(If you click on the respective divisions names, you can read each of Breer's articles, which lays out the team in more details, as well as gives an outside look from another NFL executive on the power structure of each team.)

AFC East:

• Buffalo Bills - Head Coach Doug Marrone reports to GM Doug Whaley, who controls the roster and personnel moves.  Marrone then answers to President/CEO Russ Brandon, who controls the day-to-day operations of the team and then answers to owner Ralph Wilson.
• New England Patriots - Bill Belichick runs everything.  Director of Player Personnel Nick Caserio (a candidate for the Dolphins' GM position), President Jonathan Kraft, and owner Robert Kraft all meet with Belichick as a four man council for major decisions, but Belichick has final say on everything football related.
• New York Jets - GM John Idzik came in last year and quickly took control of the team.  Head Coach Rex Ryan lost some of his power over the roster with the change to Idzik.  Ryan and Idzik report to owner Woody Johnson, who stays out of football operations and comes to the team facilities about once a week during the season.

AFC North:

• Baltimore Ravens - GM Ozzie Newsome is the power broker in Baltimore.  Head coach John Harbaugh falls under him, as does just about everyone else on the football side of the house.
• Cincinnati Bengals - Owner Mike Brown is also the team's GM and has full control over the personnel on the roster.  Head Coach Marvin Lewis and Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin have plenty of input into everything football related, but Brown is firmly in control.
• Cleveland Browns - CEO Joe Banner has full control of the team, working with GM Michael Lombardi, Head Coach Mike Pettine, and Assistant GM Ray Farmer all in concert.  Pettine and Lombardi report to Banner, who reports to owner Jimmy Haslam.  Haslam is not a day-to-day owner, allowing the football operations people to run the team.
• Pittsburgh Steelers - The Rooney family has the power in Pittsburgh, but the stability within the front office and coaching staff is what defines the Steelers.  GM Kevin Colbert, Head Coach Mike Tomlin, and Director of Football and Business Administration Omar Kahn answer to team President Art Rooney II

AFC South:

• Houston Texans - A year of change this season with the hire of Bill O'Brien as head coach after eight seasons of Gary Kubiak at the helm.  Executive Vice President of Football operations and GM Rick Smith has complete control of the roster and reports to Chief Operating Officer Cal McNair.  O'Brien will likely also report to Cal McNair, who runs the day-to-day operations of the team as his father, owner Robert McNair, focuses on outside businesses.
• Indianapolis Colts- GM Ryan Grigson controls the 53-man roster, with Head Coach Chuck Pagano providing plenty of input.  Owner Jim Irsay is in the building every day, and has experience of being an GM in the past, and is a part of all major decisions, but typically tries to remain hands off unless he is needed. 
• Jacksonville Jaguars - GM David Caldwell has full roster and personnel control, with Gus Bradley working as a partner.  Owner Shahid Kahn's son Tony runs an analytical staff that assists in draft preparation.  Everyone answers directly to the elder Kahn.
• Tennessee Titans - GM Ruston Webster has full roster control, while Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt and his assistant coaches will have input into the personnel decisions.  Vin Marino serves as the Vice President of Football Administration and is the primary contract negotiator and salary cap manager.  Everyone reports to the group of President Tommy Smith, and Co-Charipersons Susie Adams Smith and Amy Adams Hunt.

AFC West:

• Denver Broncos - President Joe Ellis runs the majority of the team's day-to-day operations for owner Pat Bolen, while Executive Vice President of Football Operations John Elway has complete control of the football operations and roster control.  Head Coach John Fox answers to Elway.
• Kansas City Chiefs - This past season was the first time the Head Coach was equal to the GM in the reporting structure, with Andy Reid and John Dorsey both answering directly to Chairman and CER Clark Hunt.  Dorsey controls the 53-man roster, Reid controls the on-the-field football, and President Mark Donovan runs the business side of the team.
• Oakland Raiders - After the death of Al Davis, his son Mark completely changed the team's power structure, giving full personnel and football operations control to GM Reggie McKenzie.  McKenize has all of the power, including hiring and firing coaches and final say on all football operations decisions.  Head coach Dennis Allen reports to McKenzie.  Mark Davis is away from the team most of the time, but stays in contact with McKenzie, occasionally stepping into the hands-on role of his father, but trying to allow his GM to do his job.
• San Diego Chargers - GM Tom Telesco has full roster control, while he and Head Coach Mike McCoy both answer to President/Chairman Dean Spanos. John Spanos serves as the team's Executive Vice President of Football Operations, with Ed McGuire the Executive Vice President of Football Administration, both of whom also answer to Dean Spanos.  A.G. Spanos runs the business side of the team, with both Dean and A.G. answer to their father, owner Alex Spanos.

NFC East:

• Dallas Cowboys - Owner/GM Jerry Jones runs everything and makes all decisions on both the football and administrative side of the franchise, with Head Coach Jason Garrett and Chief Operating Officer Stephen Jones reporting to him
• New York Giants - GM Jerry Reese controls all of the 53-man roster and draft decisions, while Head Coach Tom Coughlin decides the game day roster; both report directly to owner John Mara
• Philadelphia Eagles - GM Howie Roseman and Head Coach Chip Kelly reported directly to owner Jeffrey Lurie at best guess; Philadelphia is very secretive of their structure
• Washington Redskins - Mike Shanahan was the primary power broker last year, with him and GM Bruce Allen reporting directly to owner Daniel Snyder, who is a hands on owner; best guess as team transitions to Jay Gruden is Allen will gain power and serve as the primary leader on the football side of the team

NFC North:

• Chicago Bears - Head Coach Marc Tresman answers to GM Phil Emery who answers to President and CEO Ted Phillips who answers to Virginia Halas McCaskey; Emery has full control of the roster and personnel matters
• Detroit Lions - Jim Caldwell is setting up his staff as the new head coach with Martin Mayhew working as the GM; how they report to President Tom Lewand and owner William Clay Ford has not been identified
• Green Bay Packers - Head Coach Mike McCarthy reports to GM Ted Thompson who reports to President and CEO Mark Murphy
• Minnesota Vikings - Mike Zimmer was just hired this month as the team's new head coach.  Assuming the team stays with their same structure as last year, Zimmer will report to GM Rick Spielman who reports to owners Zygi and Mark Wilf

NFC South:

• Atlanta Falcons - GM Thomas Dimitroff controls all of the 53-man roster and draft decisions, while Head Coach Mike Smith decides the game day roster; Smith reports to Dimitroff who reports to owner Arthur Blank
• Carolina Panthers - Head Coach Ron Rivera reports to GM Dave Gettleman who reports to owner Jerry Richardson; Richardson does not operate the team day-to-day, instead communicates about once a week with Gettleman
• New Orleans Saints - GM Mickey Loomis has final say over the roster, though works with coach Sean Payton on most decisions; Payton reports to Loomis who reports to Rita Benson LeBlanc who is Vice Chairman and part owner.  Tom Benson is involved, but not to the degree at which he used to be.
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers - The Buccaneers replaced both their GM and Head Coach this offseason, giving full roster decision power to head coach Lovie Smith then hiring Jason Licht to be their GM.  How exactly they report to the owning Glazer family is not clear yet.

NFC West:

• Arizona Cardinals - Head Coach Bruce Arians answers to GM Steve Keim who reports to Michael Bidwell, the team President and runs the team day-to-day for his father, owner Bill Bidwell.
• San Francisco 49ers - Head Coach Jim Harbaugh and GM Trent Baalke report to owner Jed York.  Baalke retains control of the 53-man roster, while Harbaugh makes the game day roster moves.  Chief Operating Officer Paraag Marathe controls the team's salary cap and negotiating, receiving input from Baalke, but reporting to York.
• Seattle Seahawks - Head Coach Pete Carroll has roster control, but GM John Schneider controls the draft and free agency.  Both answer to owner Peter McLoughlin as the team's President with owner Paul Allen out of the day-to-day operations of the team.
• St. Louis Rams - Head Coach Jeff Fisher, GM Les Snear, and Executive Vice President of Football Operations/CEO Kevin Demoff all answer to owner Stan Kroenke directly, with Fisher running the team during the season and Snead having control during the offseason.  Demoff runs the team's salary cap and contracts.

Every team in the NFL has a little different power structure, and several teams have owners who are not with the team day-to-day, similar to the oft-described  "absentee ownership" of Dolphins' owner Stephen Ross.  Miami's three-tier leadership level looks similar to the setup currently being used by the San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Tennessee Titans, with the GM, Head Coach, and Vice President/Salary Cap Manager all reporting to either the owner, or his designated representative.

 

Will this work?  Who knows.  But, it doesn't appear to be as unique as people seem to think.  Of course, this could all change, and exactly how a team is run is not always clear.  But, Breer gave us a decent look at the other teams in the league, and we will see how the situation in Miami evolves with the hire of a new GM.

 

 

 

 

 

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

Coughlin or Parcells would be great additions here.   That is what they need.  I will touch on a tangential theme in my Step 2 email.

Parcells did this already.

its why we lost Belichick to the Pats.  He's also been in a similar role with the Dolphins.  Didn't work too well there either.

i do find it simplistic that some actually believe there is a team and owner somewhere in the NFL that doesn't get final check off on important hires like GM & HC.  Or with big ticket FA's.  

 

[MaxAF]

4 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

I think you are COMPLETELY WRONG in your personal assessment of the structure. The structure is FINE and organized in the SAME WAY as most other franchises in the NFL. Both MUST answer to the Owner because he signs the checks. When you are financing assets (a team, players) you want to be damn sure that the person who acquires them - MacCags - and the person responsible for effectively applying those assets - Bowles - can provide rationale as to WHY this moves were made. The Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, and VaGiants have/had HCs report DIRECTLY to the owner along with the GM AND the Pres.Player Development all at once, so your ENTIRE premise is just wrong. Go tell those OTHER "winning" franchises they TOO should get an intermediary as a buffer to translate and consult the Owners. 

 

 

 

+1 Solid Post. 

 

IF anything, when hiring a Bowles of Macc the Jets CHANGED their power structure to one that is MORE IN LINE with the rest of the NFL:

In hiring Maccagnan, the Jets have changed their power structure. He and Bowles will report directly to Johnson, who envisions the GM and coach as equal partners. Previously, the coach reported to the GM. Maccagnan will have control over the 53-man roster and final say on the draft; the coach will decide the weekly lineups.

Here's an article from 2014 explaining the Front Office Power Structure for EVERY TEAM  demonstrating WHY the OP is WRONG:

To get an idea of how unique a situation the Dolphins are trying to establish, we look at the power structures in place around the NFL.  Thanks to NFL.com's Albert Breer and a series of articles from June 2013, we can get a look at each team's situation.

(If you click on the respective divisions names, you can read each of Breer's articles, which lays out the team in more details, as well as gives an outside look from another NFL executive on the power structure of each team.)

AFC East:

• Buffalo Bills - Head Coach Doug Marrone reports to GM Doug Whaley, who controls the roster and personnel moves.  Marrone then answers to President/CEO Russ Brandon, who controls the day-to-day operations of the team and then answers to owner Ralph Wilson.
• New England Patriots - Bill Belichick runs everything.  Director of Player Personnel Nick Caserio (a candidate for the Dolphins' GM position), President Jonathan Kraft, and owner Robert Kraft all meet with Belichick as a four man council for major decisions, but Belichick has final say on everything football related.
• New York Jets - GM John Idzik came in last year and quickly took control of the team.  Head Coach Rex Ryan lost some of his power over the roster with the change to Idzik.  Ryan and Idzik report to owner Woody Johnson, who stays out of football operations and comes to the team facilities about once a week during the season.

AFC North:

• Baltimore Ravens - GM Ozzie Newsome is the power broker in Baltimore.  Head coach John Harbaugh falls under him, as does just about everyone else on the football side of the house.
• Cincinnati Bengals - Owner Mike Brown is also the team's GM and has full control over the personnel on the roster.  Head Coach Marvin Lewis and Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin have plenty of input into everything football related, but Brown is firmly in control.
• Cleveland Browns - CEO Joe Banner has full control of the team, working with GM Michael Lombardi, Head Coach Mike Pettine, and Assistant GM Ray Farmer all in concert.  Pettine and Lombardi report to Banner, who reports to owner Jimmy Haslam.  Haslam is not a day-to-day owner, allowing the football operations people to run the team.
• Pittsburgh Steelers - The Rooney family has the power in Pittsburgh, but the stability within the front office and coaching staff is what defines the Steelers.  GM Kevin Colbert, Head Coach Mike Tomlin, and Director of Football and Business Administration Omar Kahn answer to team President Art Rooney II

AFC South:

• Houston Texans - A year of change this season with the hire of Bill O'Brien as head coach after eight seasons of Gary Kubiak at the helm.  Executive Vice President of Football operations and GM Rick Smith has complete control of the roster and reports to Chief Operating Officer Cal McNair.  O'Brien will likely also report to Cal McNair, who runs the day-to-day operations of the team as his father, owner Robert McNair, focuses on outside businesses.
• Indianapolis Colts- GM Ryan Grigson controls the 53-man roster, with Head Coach Chuck Pagano providing plenty of input.  Owner Jim Irsay is in the building every day, and has experience of being an GM in the past, and is a part of all major decisions, but typically tries to remain hands off unless he is needed. 
• Jacksonville Jaguars - GM David Caldwell has full roster and personnel control, with Gus Bradley working as a partner.  Owner Shahid Kahn's son Tony runs an analytical staff that assists in draft preparation.  Everyone answers directly to the elder Kahn.
• Tennessee Titans - GM Ruston Webster has full roster control, while Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt and his assistant coaches will have input into the personnel decisions.  Vin Marino serves as the Vice President of Football Administration and is the primary contract negotiator and salary cap manager.  Everyone reports to the group of President Tommy Smith, and Co-Charipersons Susie Adams Smith and Amy Adams Hunt.

AFC West:

• Denver Broncos - President Joe Ellis runs the majority of the team's day-to-day operations for owner Pat Bolen, while Executive Vice President of Football Operations John Elway has complete control of the football operations and roster control.  Head Coach John Fox answers to Elway.
• Kansas City Chiefs - This past season was the first time the Head Coach was equal to the GM in the reporting structure, with Andy Reid and John Dorsey both answering directly to Chairman and CER Clark Hunt.  Dorsey controls the 53-man roster, Reid controls the on-the-field football, and President Mark Donovan runs the business side of the team.
• Oakland Raiders - After the death of Al Davis, his son Mark completely changed the team's power structure, giving full personnel and football operations control to GM Reggie McKenzie.  McKenize has all of the power, including hiring and firing coaches and final say on all football operations decisions.  Head coach Dennis Allen reports to McKenzie.  Mark Davis is away from the team most of the time, but stays in contact with McKenzie, occasionally stepping into the hands-on role of his father, but trying to allow his GM to do his job.
• San Diego Chargers - GM Tom Telesco has full roster control, while he and Head Coach Mike McCoy both answer to President/Chairman Dean Spanos. John Spanos serves as the team's Executive Vice President of Football Operations, with Ed McGuire the Executive Vice President of Football Administration, both of whom also answer to Dean Spanos.  A.G. Spanos runs the business side of the team, with both Dean and A.G. answer to their father, owner Alex Spanos.

NFC East:

• Dallas Cowboys - Owner/GM Jerry Jones runs everything and makes all decisions on both the football and administrative side of the franchise, with Head Coach Jason Garrett and Chief Operating Officer Stephen Jones reporting to him
• New York Giants - GM Jerry Reese controls all of the 53-man roster and draft decisions, while Head Coach Tom Coughlin decides the game day roster; both report directly to owner John Mara
• Philadelphia Eagles - GM Howie Roseman and Head Coach Chip Kelly reported directly to owner Jeffrey Lurie at best guess; Philadelphia is very secretive of their structure
• Washington Redskins - Mike Shanahan was the primary power broker last year, with him and GM Bruce Allen reporting directly to owner Daniel Snyder, who is a hands on owner; best guess as team transitions to Jay Gruden is Allen will gain power and serve as the primary leader on the football side of the team

NFC North:

• Chicago Bears - Head Coach Marc Tresman answers to GM Phil Emery who answers to President and CEO Ted Phillips who answers to Virginia Halas McCaskey; Emery has full control of the roster and personnel matters
• Detroit Lions - Jim Caldwell is setting up his staff as the new head coach with Martin Mayhew working as the GM; how they report to President Tom Lewand and owner William Clay Ford has not been identified
• Green Bay Packers - Head Coach Mike McCarthy reports to GM Ted Thompson who reports to President and CEO Mark Murphy
• Minnesota Vikings - Mike Zimmer was just hired this month as the team's new head coach.  Assuming the team stays with their same structure as last year, Zimmer will report to GM Rick Spielman who reports to owners Zygi and Mark Wilf

NFC South:

• Atlanta Falcons - GM Thomas Dimitroff controls all of the 53-man roster and draft decisions, while Head Coach Mike Smith decides the game day roster; Smith reports to Dimitroff who reports to owner Arthur Blank
• Carolina Panthers - Head Coach Ron Rivera reports to GM Dave Gettleman who reports to owner Jerry Richardson; Richardson does not operate the team day-to-day, instead communicates about once a week with Gettleman
• New Orleans Saints - GM Mickey Loomis has final say over the roster, though works with coach Sean Payton on most decisions; Payton reports to Loomis who reports to Rita Benson LeBlanc who is Vice Chairman and part owner.  Tom Benson is involved, but not to the degree at which he used to be.
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers - The Buccaneers replaced both their GM and Head Coach this offseason, giving full roster decision power to head coach Lovie Smith then hiring Jason Licht to be their GM.  How exactly they report to the owning Glazer family is not clear yet.

NFC West:

• Arizona Cardinals - Head Coach Bruce Arians answers to GM Steve Keim who reports to Michael Bidwell, the team President and runs the team day-to-day for his father, owner Bill Bidwell.
• San Francisco 49ers - Head Coach Jim Harbaugh and GM Trent Baalke report to owner Jed York.  Baalke retains control of the 53-man roster, while Harbaugh makes the game day roster moves.  Chief Operating Officer Paraag Marathe controls the team's salary cap and negotiating, receiving input from Baalke, but reporting to York.
• Seattle Seahawks - Head Coach Pete Carroll has roster control, but GM John Schneider controls the draft and free agency.  Both answer to owner Peter McLoughlin as the team's President with owner Paul Allen out of the day-to-day operations of the team.
• St. Louis Rams - Head Coach Jeff Fisher, GM Les Snear, and Executive Vice President of Football Operations/CEO Kevin Demoff all answer to owner Stan Kroenke directly, with Fisher running the team during the season and Snead having control during the offseason.  Demoff runs the team's salary cap and contracts.

Every team in the NFL has a little different power structure, and several teams have owners who are not with the team day-to-day, similar to the oft-described  "absentee ownership" of Dolphins' owner Stephen Ross.  Miami's three-tier leadership level looks similar to the setup currently being used by the San Francisco 49ers, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Tennessee Titans, with the GM, Head Coach, and Vice President/Salary Cap Manager all reporting to either the owner, or his designated representative.

 

Will this work?  Who knows.  But, it doesn't appear to be as unique as people seem to think.  Of course, this could all change, and exactly how a team is run is not always clear.  But, Breer gave us a decent look at the other teams in the league, and we will see how the situation in Miami evolves with the hire of a new GM.

 

 

 

 

 

Someone's done their homework!? 

[joewilly12]

Tom Coughlin would be an excellent choice as a GM 

[Gas2No99]

22 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

So if you had money would you invest it in the NY Jets?  Losing organization hasnt been in Super Bowl since 1969. 

Woody Johnson has roots here in NJ he could have easily kept his money or spent it elsewhere. 

There's a DISTINCT difference between a "losing organization" and a money-making business asset, they are not mutually exclusive.

In the NFL they are not losing money and YES I would invest in the Jets if you're telling me that an investment would provide me a 193.7% INVESTMENT RETURN in 17 years. YES IN A HEARTBEAT! Just like the Fertittas acquired the UFC for a measly $2M in 2001 and sold this past July 2016 for $4BILLION! 

The NFL, like the UFC, was an expanding league that only got RICHER with advancements in technology for further media distribution and licensing rights. A sound investment. You'll hear the same in another 7 years from now for us current owners of E-League teams and the future of THAT "spectator sport;" I don't get the visual satisfaction for admission payers, but there is a burgeoning market that is PAYING rewards now and will continue to do so for those who put a dog in the race.

[Gas2No99]

13 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

Someone's done their homework!? 

That's how you stay AHEAD of the game in this city 

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

There's a DISTINCT difference between a "losing organization" and a money-making business asset, they are not mutually exclusive.

In the NFL they are not losing money and YES I would invest in the Jets if you're telling me that an investment would provide me a 193.7% INVESTMENT RETURN in 17 years. YES IN A HEARTBEAT! Just like the Fertittas acquired the UFC for a measly $2M in 2001 and sold this past July 2016 for $4BILLION! 

The NFL, like the UFC, was an expanding league that only got RICHER with advancements in technology for further media distribution and licensing rights. A sound investment. You'll hear the same in another 7 years from now for us current owners of E-League teams and the future of THAT "spectator sport;" I don't get the visual satisfaction for admission payers, but there is a burgeoning market that is PAYING rewards now and will continue to do so for those who put a dog in the race.

NFL RATINGS ARE STILL WAY DOWN AND GETTING WORSE

Posted by Matt Yoder on Oct 26, 2016 08:30

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The NFL’s downturn in ratings has been the dominant sports media storyline of the fall of 2016. And unfortunately for the league, it’s not getting any better, especially when it comes to the primetime windows. And while there are a number of factors at play in what’s ailing the NFL right now, the quality of the primetime games isn’t helping.

In spite of featuring the game’s most storied rivalry in Bears-Packers, Thursday Night Football was down 17% versus last year. The abysmal 6-6 tie between the Cardinals and Seahawks was unsurprisingly down 15% from last year, proving that not all close games are guaranteed to drive viewership. The Monday Night Football matchup between Houston and Denver was also uninspiring and down 13% from last year.

Fox Sports exec Michael Mulvihill has been tweeting out numbers throughout the season and through seven weeks now, it’s obvious that Fox and CBS coverage on Sunday afternoons are being affected much less by the NFL’s ratings challenges than in primetime. With all three primetime windows dropping this week, TNF, SNF, and MNF are all down AT LEAST 18% in viewership from this time a year ago.

[Gas2No99]

4 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

with advancements in technology for further media distribution and licensing rights. A sound investment. 

 

You are not factoring in the reality that MOST people now consume the NFL AT THEIR LEISURE via Internet, Tablets, and Phone ASIDE from the "numbers" that mainly represent DECLINING TV Network ratings. s

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

NFL RATINGS ARE STILL WAY DOWN AND GETTING WORSE

Posted by Matt Yoder on Oct 26, 2016 08:30

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The NFL’s downturn in ratings has been the dominant sports media storyline of the fall of 2016. And unfortunately for the league, it’s not getting any better, especially when it comes to the primetime windows. And while there are a number of factors at play in what’s ailing the NFL right now, the quality of the primetime games isn’t helping.

In spite of featuring the game’s most storied rivalry in Bears-Packers, Thursday Night Football was down 17% versus last year. The abysmal 6-6 tie between the Cardinals and Seahawks was unsurprisingly down 15% from last year, proving that not all close games are guaranteed to drive viewership. The Monday Night Football matchup between Houston and Denver was also uninspiring and down 13% from last year.

Fox Sports exec Michael Mulvihill has been tweeting out numbers throughout the season and through seven weeks now, it’s obvious that Fox and CBS coverage on Sunday afternoons are being affected much less by the NFL’s ratings challenges than in primetime. With all three primetime windows dropping this week, TNF, SNF, and MNF are all down AT LEAST 18% in viewership from this time a year ago.

The "Ratings" you cite are for the OVER SATURATION of WEEK-DAY and PRIME-TIME NATIONALLY Televised games. All it means is that the NFL will charge MORE for online advertising and LESS for TV advertising. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

5 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

That's how you stay AHEAD of the game in this city 

So do you just pick which words to capitalize completely at random or.

[varjet]

The point I was trying to make was that the Jets current structure is different and apparently inferior.

How many other teams have the GM and Coach both reporting to someone who is not a football person and whose interest is not primarily in creating a great football product?  That article also predates Wolf/Casserly/Macc/Bowles.

There have too many decisions made by this team that seem too curious.

The Browns, Maras and Rooneys of the world breed and know football and have established permanent season ticket fan bases that allow them to focus almost entirely on the football product.

A first time GM and first time coach could use someone to keep them in line.  Right now that person is Woody.  

Let's see how the next off season goes.  if they Jets sign a Cutler or Romo, we know who is calling the shots.

[Gas2No99]

1 minute ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

So do you just pick which words to capitalize completely at random or.

As a person I speak with lots of emphasis and hand gestures -apparently it's a cultural thing - so when I DO CHOOSE to capitalize CERTAIN words, it is for emphasis when making a point. Hilarious how there's some supposed etiquette on how to type properly on the internet; as long as it's a coherent sentence WHO CARES?!?!? 

But now that you point it out, I think I'll go with the "Random" capitalization of words to emulate a ransom letter from now on :

 

[Gas2No99]

2 minutes ago, varjet said:

The point I was trying to make was that the Jets current structure is different and apparently inferior.

How many other teams have the GM and Coach both reporting to someone who is not a football person and whose interest is not primarily in creating a great football product?  That article also predates Wolf/Casserly/Macc/Bowles.

 

And I showed you PROOF by posting that article that it is NOT different NOR inferior THROUGHOUT the league. If anything, it's MORE IN LINE with the majority of the league - and oddly enough - the supposed "Royalty" of the NFL seem to carry the same model. 

 

So what if it PREDATES the 2015 FO hiring? You claim they need a "football guy" - THAT"S what Mac is, he's only been on the job for 1.5 years and he arrived on a team that was mostly bereft of talent and depth. Like MOST people who have built things in their life, let alone change a culture (team, corporate, management, etc.) IT TAKES TIME TO REALIZE THE RESULTS. To criticize this soon considering HOW DIRE the situation was prior to January 15, 2015 and Mac's hiring is petulant impatience and asinine. 

 

[varjet]

14 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

And I showed you PROOF by posting that article that it is NOT different NOR inferior THROUGHOUT the league. If anything, it's MORE IN LINE with the majority of the league - and oddly enough - the supposed "Royalty" of the NFL seem to carry the same model. 

 

So what if it PREDATES the 2015 FO hiring? You claim they need a "football guy" - THAT"S what Mac is, he's only been on the job for 1.5 years and he arrived on a team that was mostly bereft of talent and depth. Like MOST people who have built things in their life, let alone change a culture (team, corporate, management, etc.) IT TAKES TIME TO REALIZE THE RESULTS. To criticize this soon considering HOW DIRE the situation was prior to January 15, 2015 and Mac's hiring is petulant impatience and asinine. 

 

Woody is not a Mara or a Rooney.  They can have that structure.

What is the only rational explanation for a team that is so poorly coached for 6 weeks in a row?  If you stunk at your job for 6 weeks, wouldn't someone say something to you?  Playing SR at LB is stinking at your job.

I will go through that list and show that very few other teams (and few if any good ones) are run like the Jets are now.

 

[varjet]

23 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

And I showed you PROOF by posting that article that it is NOT different NOR inferior THROUGHOUT the league. If anything, it's MORE IN LINE with the majority of the league - and oddly enough - the supposed "Royalty" of the NFL seem to carry the same model. 

 

So what if it PREDATES the 2015 FO hiring? You claim they need a "football guy" - THAT"S what Mac is, he's only been on the job for 1.5 years and he arrived on a team that was mostly bereft of talent and depth. Like MOST people who have built things in their life, let alone change a culture (team, corporate, management, etc.) IT TAKES TIME TO REALIZE THE RESULTS. To criticize this soon considering HOW DIRE the situation was prior to January 15, 2015 and Mac's hiring is petulant impatience and asinine. 

 

Here is the AFC.  I will try to do the NFC Later.

Patriots-BB has total control. Answers to a smart owner Kraft. Two smart guys.  Super Bowls.

Jets-HC and GM report to non-football owner.  Continual odd decisions.

Bills-HC reports to GM.  Team doing better with smart personnel decisions.  They draft Ronald Darbys now, not Scotty McKnights.

Ravens-Ozzie Newsome has full control.  Super Bowls.

Bengals-GM has full control.  Well run team.

Steelers-GM, HC and Money guy report to Art Rooney.  Family is in the football business for 50+ years.

Texans-GM, HC, Money Guy report to owner's son.  Like the Jets. How have they been historically?

Colts-not clear but it looks like HC and GM report to an Irsay.  Family in football a long time. Not without their issues either post-Polian.

Jaguars-HC and GM report to owner.  Hmm.

Titans-All report to a corporate type.  Hmm.

Broncos-HC reports to Elway as GM, who reports to a representative of the owner.  Well run franchise.

Chiefs-HC (Andy Reid, not Todd Bowles) and GM report Clark Hunt (family in the business for 50 years)

Raiders-HC reports to GM, Reggie McKenzie.  They are getting it together.

Chargers-GM and HC report to a Spanos, who reports to another Spanos.  Spanos knows football, but they are another enigma.

 

It does not appear to me that the Jets are following a well-established model with a record of success.  The Jets need to be more like the Broncos and put smart capable people between the owner and the football people.  Kubiak also reports to Elway, and Kubiak has been coaching 10 years.

[choon328]

Can somebody please provide any evidence that Woody is influencing any football decisions with Mac and Bowles. I get that "the owner is meddling" is a popular excuse but the truth is the Jets didn't overpay for Fitz.  They gave him $12 million, 24th in QB salary,  on a 1 year deal when he wanted a 3 year deal.  And he's playing like his contract suggests he should play, poorly. I'm sure the front office knew that it was more than likely that he would regress but not this badly. The only thing I'm concerned about at this point is that they will stick with Fitz too long and screw up getting an assessment on Petty before next year. 1 more loss and the Petty era needs to begin. 

[Gas2No99]

13 minutes ago, varjet said:

Woody is not a Mara or a Rooney.  They can have that structure.

So Nature vs. Nurture and the death of the American Dream to be ANYTHING one's heart desires is dead. 

 

13 minutes ago, varjet said:

What is the only rational explanation for a team that is so poorly coached for 6 weeks in a row?  If you stunk at your job for 6 weeks, wouldn't someone say something to you?  Playing SR at LB is stinking at your job.

 

No one seemed to be complaining LAST YEAR when he was the "MPB7"

Ask Sheldon Richardson what position he plays for the New York Jets, and this is what he'll tell you:

MPB7.

Sounds very James Bond-ish, right?

"It's multi-purpose box seven," Richardson said. "Any position you need me to play in the box seven, I can play."

I could've complained about more 3-technique reps, but it's not necessary," Richardson continued. "It's not necessary at all. The team is flourishing right now and I'm a team guy. Anything they ask me to do, I do. It's working out right now.

Funny how there was LESS COMPLAINING and calling to fire Bowles last year during the winning streak when he DID THE SAME EXACT THING with #91 

14 minutes ago, varjet said:

I will go through that list and show that very few other teams (and few if any good ones) are run like the Jets are now.

Uh . . . . that's WHY I posted the article.  Also WHY I stated THOSE teams specifically, because that IS their model. But have fun digging a deeper hole with your opinion which is ANYTHING but accurate according to what's been published by a "writer & his repsective media organization"

[FTL Jet Fan]

4 hours ago, varjet said:

One often overlooked aspect of the Jets' hiring of Macc and Bowles is that they both report to Woody directly.  In their Front Office Redo, the Jets moved on from the more traditional GM hires the coach structure.

Obviously, there are many ways to skin the cat, and how you structure really depends on who you have.  There are many teams with a GM who really knows his stuff and can run the entire football operation.  But in the Jets' case, although Woody has been a very supportive owner in terms of paying contracts and building facilities, many of us have questioned his "football judgment" and whether he has driven decisions for short-term commercial (tickets, beer, parking, PR) reasons as opposed to long-term football reasons.  Woody also knows no more about football than most of the posters on this board.

So, when you have a first year coach and GM, one would think a intermediate level sounding board/reality check would be appropriate.  Like a Football Chairman of the Board.  Not someone who is necessarily in the weeds active, but someone who could watch games and review personnel and provide Woody with additional input as to big football decisions.  A few examples of my suspicions and how someone could have helped.

• Bowles has been coaching awfully this year, although the last game, against a weaker opponent, was better.  Macc is not his boss-Macc could not sit him down and say, from how it looked in the box, they run Forte too much, Fitz locks on his targets, and SR has no business playing LB.   The only person who had the authority to intervene is Woody, who does not know football.  This makes no sense, although I suspect that it was Woody who told him to bench Fitz after paying him $12mm.  Bowles may have been otherwise afraid to to that.  That was the right football move, but it was obviously slower than any football expert would have expected.
• Macc knew signing Fitz for too much money was a bad idea.  My guess is that Macc knew the Revis contract was expensive.  It would be good if Macc too had someone to weigh in on football decisions.  

Who is this person?  Parcells?  Wolf?  Vermeil?  I don't know.  But having the GM and Coach report to Woody seems bad.  They need to report to someone focused solely on long-term football quality.

Next up-the Coaching Program.

 

So you think we need a VP of Football Operations like Tanny down in Miami?

[BurnleyJet]

16 minutes ago, varjet said:

Here is the AFC.  I will try to do the NFC Later.

Patriots-BB has total control. Answers to a smart owner Kraft. Two smart guys.  Super Bowls.

Jets-HC and GM report to non-football owner.  Continual odd decisions.

Bills-HC reports to GM.  Team doing better with smart personnel decisions.  They draft Ronald Darbys now, not Scotty McKnights.

Ravens-Ozzie Newsome has full control.  Super Bowls.

Bengals-GM has full control.  Well run team.

Steelers-GM, HC and Money guy report to Art Rooney.  Family is in the football business for 50+ years.

Texans-GM, HC, Money Guy report to owner's son.  Like the Jets. How have they been historically?

Colts-not clear but it looks like HC and GM report to an Irsay.  Family in football a long time. Not without their issues either post-Polian.

Jaguars-HC and GM report to owner.  Hmm.

Titans-All report to a corporate type.  Hmm.

Broncos-HC reports to Elway as GM, who reports to a representative of the owner.  Well run franchise.

Chiefs-HC (Andy Reid, not Todd Bowles) and GM report Clark Hunt (family in the business for 50 years)

Raiders-HC reports to GM, Reggie McKenzie.  They are getting it together.

Chargers-GM and HC report to a Spanos, who reports to another Spanos.  Spanos knows football, but they are another enigma.

 

It does not appear to me that the Jets are following a well-established model with a record of success.  The Jets need to be more like the Broncos and put smart capable people between the owner and the football people.  Kubiak also reports to Elway, and Kubiak has been coaching 10 years.

Mmmm so having a Franchise Quarterback for long periods of time, has nothing to do with success in the NFL? All you need is a Semi cadaver like Rooney, or a Tv Dinner Maker like Kraft. Got it.

 

[Gas2No99]

22 minutes ago, varjet said:

Here is the AFC.  I will try to do the NFC Later. I ALREADY DID BOTH FOR YOU on Page 2. If you want to just interpret it to your subjective argument like you displayed below, then continuing this discussion is pointless.

Patriots-BB has total control. Answers to a smart owner Kraft. Two smart guys.  Super Bowls.

Jets-HC and GM report to non-football owner.  Continual odd decisions.

Bills-HC reports to GM.  Team doing better with smart personnel decisions.  They draft Ronald Darbys now, not Scotty McKnights.

Ravens-Ozzie Newsome has full control.  Super Bowls.

Bengals-GM has full control.  Well run team. - Owner Mike Brown is also the team's GM and has full control over the personnel on the roster.  Head Coach Marvin Lewis and Director of Player Personnel Duke Tobin have plenty of input into everything football related, but Brown is firmly in control

Steelers-GM, HC and Money guy report to Art Rooney.  Family is in the football business for 50+ years.

Texans-GM, HC, Money Guy report to owner's son.  Like the Jets. How have they been historically?

Colts-not clear but it looks like HC and GM report to an Irsay.  Family in football a long time. Not without their issues either post-Polian.

Jaguars-HC and GM report to owner.  Hmm.

Titans-All report to a corporate type.  Hmm.

Broncos-HC reports to Elway as GM, who reports to a representative of the owner.  Well run franchise.

Chiefs-HC (Andy Reid, not Todd Bowles) and GM report Clark Hunt (family in the business for 50 years)-This past season was the first time the Head Coach was equal to the GM in the reporting structure

Raiders-HC reports to GM, Reggie McKenzie.  They are getting it together.

Chargers-GM and HC report to a Spanos, who reports to another Spanos.  Spanos knows football, but they are another enigma.

 Steelers (EDIT, I accidentally overlooked it):  GM Kevin Colbert, Head Coach Mike Tomlin, and Director of Football and Business Administration Omar Kahn answer to team President Art Rooney II (also the owner)

Or the Dolphins:

It does not appear to me that the Jets are following a well-established model with a record of success.  The Jets need to be more like the Broncos and put smart capable people between the owner and the football people.  Kubiak also reports to Elway, and Kubiak has been coaching 10 years.

your point was that the current GM & HC model of reporting to the Owner is different and not the best structure, yet here I am merely trying to demonstrate that there are PLENTY of franchises that carry the same model.

I believe MacCag IS the football person and is growing into that role, you simply disagree and and you can't make a mule drink water at the cantina. 

[varjet]

14 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

your point was that the current GM & HC model of reporting to the Owner is different and not the best structure, yet here I am merely trying to demonstrate that there are PLENTY of franchises that carry the same model.

I believe MacCag IS the football person and is growing into that role, you simply disagree and and you can't make a mule drink water at the cantina. 

If Macc was the football person that Bowles reported to, that is a viable structure.  That is not the Jets structure.

The Jets current structure does work when there is a football person at the top.  Let's see if Woody can develop into a football person to make the structure work.

This is a team that needs alot of pieces and a substantial rebuild.  For 2017, they are not a QB away from being competitive.  Let's see how they choose to build the team for 2017, and then we can talk again.

 

[Gas2No99]

8 minutes ago, varjet said:

If Macc was the football person that Bowles reported to, that is a viable structure.  That is not the Jets structure.

The Jets current structure does work when there is a football person at the top.  Let's see if Woody can develop into a football person to make the structure work.

This is a team that needs alot of pieces and a substantial rebuild.  For 2017, they are not a QB away from being competitive.  Let's see how they choose to build the team for 2017, and then we can talk again.

 

Disagree to agree. 

[MaxAF]

23 minutes ago, varjet said:

If Macc was the football person that Bowles reported to, that is a viable structure.  That is not the Jets structure.

The Jets current structure does work when there is a football person at the top.  Let's see if Woody can develop into a football person to make the structure work.

This is a team that needs alot of pieces and a substantial rebuild.  For 2017, they are not a QB away from being competitive.  Let's see how they choose to build the team for 2017, and then we can talk again.

 

Although I agree with your last paragraph a franchise QB makes the whole team better. For example look at the changes the Patriots have gone through in the last 10 or so years. The only common denominator has been Belichick and Brady. They have had changes in every position many times over yet they have been in it every year. It's difficult to turn a 4-12 team into a division and AFC or super bowl contender in 1 1/2 years. 

[drdetroit]

Step 1: Sign Mike Glennon

[Gas2No99]

1 minute ago, drdetroit said:

Step 1: Sign Mike Glennon

He'd be quality depth and a spot-starter when injuries strike to replace what Fitz was originally intended to be when traded for heading into 2015.

[drdetroit]

4 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

He'd be quality depth and a spot-starter when injuries strike to replace what Fitz was originally intended to be when traded for heading into 2015.

Glennon is way better than Fitz or anyone on our roster.  He could start for us next year and with Marshall, Decker, Enunwa and Anderson we could have a very explosive offense

[joewilly12]

No more retreads

We need to develop or find a franchise QB

Maybe Macc will lure Manning or Favre out of retirement 

[drdetroit]

2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

No more retreads

We need to develop or find a franchise QB

Maybe Macc will lure Manning or Favre out of retirement 

Steve Young, Drew Brees, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner and Rich Gannon say hi